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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 12:42:29 PM   
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As someone that had many different jobs when I was younger, both union and non-union,
one of the MAIN reasons I have stayed with my current job, {going on 18 years}, is because I have
a fairly strong union.

I could have the same job much closer to home, and be a non-union member.

No thank you!




Without the unions and the current labor laws, most greedy soulless corporate bastards/corporations/and the evil
politicians that support them, would have most of us in slavery if it were possible.

...wanders off muttering about evil, greedy soulless corporate bastards, and equally evil soulless bastard politicians.







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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 12:50:24 PM   
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If "unions" weren't synonymous with both organized crime

Unlike corporations and political parties, eh?

LOLOLOLOLOL

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 12:52:37 PM   
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If "unions" weren't synonymous with both organized crime

Unlike corporations and political parties, eh?

LOLOLOLOLOL

Or presidents who are trying to shut down an investigation of their links with Russia in case it reveals that they've been gaining funding for their businesses by money laundering for the Russian mob?

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 1:02:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I always figured that corruption in the unions balanced out corruption in politics and business and that's why the country seemed to run a lot better with strong unions.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 1:04:02 PM   
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I always figured that corruption in the unions balanced out corruption in politics and business and that's why the country seemed to run a lot better with strong unions.

The unions are certainly a lot more interested in protecting the interests of the working man than the blob of orange shit currently stinking up the white house seems to be...

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 1:06:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Marini

As someone that had many different jobs when I was younger, both union and non-union,
one of the MAIN reasons I have stayed with my current job, {going on 18 years}, is because I have
a fairly strong union.

I could have the same job much closer to home, and be a non-union member.

No thank you!




Without the unions and the current labor laws, most greedy soulless corporate bastards/corporations/and the evil
politicians that support them, would have most of us in slavery if it were possible.

...wanders off muttering about evil, greedy soulless corporate bastards, and equally evil soulless bastard politicians.





Hugs back to Lucy!

Time for a little history lesson here.
Does anyone remember how horrible it was BEFORE we had unions and labor laws in this country????
Remember child labor etc?
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE history, history is often mind blowing.
Here are a few links, for those who don't care to "remember" some history.

working and living conditions PRIOR first industrial revolution

History.com Labor Movements

Wiki- Triangle Shirtwaist fire

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 1:20:15 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		I remember my dad, union man, Striking in the UK...coming from a family of steel and coal workers on my mums side, unions were big for the working man.
As a nurse I was in a union, and have been in several others.


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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 5:50:55 PM   
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This holiday brought to you by the labor movement.
36 things we didn't have until the unions helped create them:
Weekends off
All Breaks at Work, including your Lunch Breaks
Paid Vacation
FMLA
Sick Leave
Social Security
Minimum Wage
Civil Rights Act/Title VII (Prohibits Employer Discrimination)
8-Hour Work Day
Overtime Pay
Child Labor Laws
Occupational Safety & Health Act (OSHA)
40 Hour Work Week
Worker's Compensation (Worker's Comp)
Unemployment Insurance
Pensions
Workplace Safety Standards and Regulations
Employer Health Care Insurance
Collective Bargaining Rights for Employees
Wrongful Termination Laws
Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Whistleblower Protection Laws
Employee Polygraph Protect Act (Prohibits Employer from using a lie detector test on an employee)
Veteran's Employment and Training Services (VETS)
Compensation increases and Evaluations (Raises)
Sexual Harassment Laws
Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA)
Holiday Pay
Employer Dental, Life, and Vision Insurance
Privacy Rights
Pregnancy and Parental Leave
Military Leave
The Right to Strike
Public Education for Children
Equal Pay Acts of 1963 & 2011 (Requires employers pay men and women equally for the same amount of work)
Laws Ending Sweatshops in the United States
Thank a union today!


And, none of those things is a good reason for the continued existence of unions today.

There are damn good reasons for unions to continue to exist, but none of those are them. Unions don't get a free pass for past successes, and that's a damn good thing. They need to continue to work to protect their members and not rely on past deeds. That's lost on a lot of union members.


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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 5:54:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then you need to read the OP more carefully. You seem confused about what it says and what it doesn't say.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 5:57:07 PM   
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The middle class in America was basically brought about by unions.
Now that the unions are being killed off, the middle class is vanishing.
No economy based on consumerism can survive without a middle class.
Killing off the unions means the death of the middle class, and that means the end of the US as a major world power.


Perhaps another answer is to change the economy away from one of consumption? Naaaaah. That couldn't work (more accurately stated, "that would never be given a chance to work").


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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 6:00:48 PM   
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Then you need to read the OP more carefully. You seem confused about what it says and what it doesn't say.


I acknowledged those things as "past successes."

I find most unions are out for the union first, the union members second, and the union the rest of the time.

Unions of today have a whole lot less to work towards (so they make shit up to stay relevant), so they have to rely on the hard work and successes of unions of yesteryear.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 6:51:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		my biggest problem with unions is the extent to which they can be compulsory, and as regards the public sector, how in bed they are with democrats.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 6:53:54 PM   
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how in bed they are with democrats.

Well they sure as fuck are not going to be in bed with the Republicans who want to do away with them.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 7:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I posted this ~18 months ago in a related thread. I cant check, so I hope its the right one:

Andrew klavan on the topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su4PwZCWUdg

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 7:17:12 PM   
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my biggest problem with unions is the extent to which they can be compulsory, and as regards the public sector, how in bed they are with democrats.

Which indicates the measure of interest in the working class the GOP holds.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 8:03:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

my biggest problem with unions is the extent to which they can be compulsory, and as regards the public sector, how in bed they are with democrats.

Which indicates the measure of interest in the working class the GOP holds.


Understand everyone in a union, is not "working class".
There are professionals in union's and believe me, many professionals appreciate being union members.
There are a fair amount of white collar workers in unions, especially teacher's unions.


LA times- white collar workers turning to unions

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 8:17:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

my biggest problem with unions is the extent to which they can be compulsory, and as regards the public sector, how in bed they are with democrats.

Which indicates the measure of interest in the working class the GOP holds.


You shed snake tears for the "working class" until you decide to shut down their coal mines and pull your other clownish stunts designed to make their energy unaffordable for them in the name of your global warming cult and ManBearPig Al Gore

No tax dollars should go to political parties ever

You sniveling little trolls love to howl about 'campaign finance reform" while your Dear Leaders pay for their campaigns with my taxes, against my will

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 9:10:52 PM   
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If "unions" weren't synonymous with both organized crime and leftist activism it would be better all around. As it is though, crooked fat cat union bosses force workers to fund worthless union hierarchies as well as pet radical political causes and politicians that no thinking person would support on their own

Most of the money they take from the workers never goes where it's really needed, and that's just normal every day procedure for most unions

Their day is over. Relics from the days when Democrats were lynching blacks (rather than aborting black children as they do currently) that are not only unneeded but are also horribly counterproductive in many different ways

Well hell that's like saying repubs are synonymous with terrorists they traded with and the organized criminality and racketeering of a pres. Trust the history, repub politicians and their business buddies have committed far worse and much more shit then a few fucking union loans.

Oh and I have it on good authority that the dems switched to the repub party before any lynchings. Ya'know...after most of their families and congressional reps did.

Unions were deliberately eviscerated by Reagan and every repub pres. since. EEO was essentially buried.

Employers can flagrantly prohibit employees from trying to form one as exemplified by many firings. Wage earners are poorer after inflation since the 70's. And the rich, are a whole lot fucking richer and very substantially as a direct result.

Employees had to sue (IIRC) to get a vote on union membership at a Walmart in Quebec and won. Upon voting in favor of that union...Walmart closed to the store. [It] will not tolerate any union at Walmart. In the US, they can't even get that far or...they are fired. That used to be against the law.

The additional problems for labor is the tax code, our govt.'s willingness to let the capitalist and his capital slide with 1000's of pages bought and paid for with all of that hard, green free speech and the punitive tax rates on labor in comparison to capital.

Too bad K St. and all that free association and free $peech bing thrown around Wash., isn't a...relic of the past.

I guess some can meet with and 'collectively bargain' with their congressman oh but you the great capitalist proletariat don't need anymore to form any workplace power, we are all making so much money, benefits are up rather than deliberately reduced or taken away by ya'know...fucking with your hours.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 9:25:48 PM   
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It's really not.

Read a newspaper from time to time. Find out what's happening in the world and in your own country.

To the right of today, just to dissent means you are here to 'undermine the results of a free and fair election' whatever the hell that means and worse despite the right's continued pride in the contention that we are a republic, which in its very political structure...requires dissent.

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RE: Happy Labor Day! - 9/4/2017 9:33:55 PM   
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As someone that had many different jobs when I was younger, both union and non-union,
one of the MAIN reasons I have stayed with my current job, {going on 18 years}, is because I have
a fairly strong union.

I could have the same job much closer to home, and be a non-union member.

No thank you!




Without the unions and the current labor laws, most greedy soulless corporate bastards/corporations/and the evil
politicians that support them, would have most of us in slavery if it were possible.

...wanders off muttering about evil, greedy soulless corporate bastards, and equally evil soulless bastard politicians.

I got a little lucky. Worked for an employer that had a big union presence at another site. I worked at two locations where there was no union representation however, I was non-exempt and still got the same wages and benefits of union members and...didn't pay any dues.

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