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ORIGINAL: Marini

Hurricane Irma, could be a CAT 4 or CAT 5 Hurricane!
5.6 Million Floridians have been encouraged to evacuate.
Many seem to be leaving at the last minute, and trying to get out has become a
nightmare.
This could be a seriously devastating hurricane.
People have been talking about Hurricane Irma for over a week, just as people were talking about Hurricane Harvey WELL in advance.

I am glad I no longer live in Florida!
Thoughts on Hurricane Irma?

Weather.com 5.4 MILLION encouraged to evacuate in Florida!

CNN- Florida highways jammed as people attempt to evacuate

Key West Official- Leave NOW or you are on your own.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Hurricane activity has been unusually low for many years now

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Since the storm is scheduled to go up the West coast of Florida, it is going to be an interesting storm.
I am glad the storm has been downgraded to a CAT 3, hopefully Florida won't be battered as much.


I could never live right on the coast of Florida, those that choose to live in coastal cities and town,
surely understand they are at risk.

After seeing the devastation in the Caribbean, I no longer wish to live there!

So at one time you wanted to live in the Caribbean? I would not let an unusually strong hurricane deter me. For years I have wanted to have a modest home on one of the islands and will have that when I leave here but I wont live there all year long. And research is the key to finding a place with as much of the good things you look for and the least of the bad stuff. I dont see the Caribbean as being any greater risk than both coasts of the US. You just have to pick the right spot for you. I grew up on the prairie and its quite boring, too hot in the summer, too friggin cold in the winter, plus having to shovel it... I know many people want a place "right on the beach" but there are homes in California (along with the earthquake risk) that are falling off a cliff that is giving way and there are homes washed away on the east coast in severe storms... I would want something close enough to walk or ride a bike to but high enough to survive a hurricane and truly built to weather the storms.. Branson, his family & his employees rode out Irma in his concrete wine cellar on Necker Island.. I expect he will rebuild as that is where his home is, where he really lives.. I expect he will build it better/stronger this time tho.. Is Houston any better as a place to live? 3 serious major floods (& Harvey) in less than 3 years, I think not.. It seems many cities in North America just sprouted up without any regard to Mother Nature's dangers/risks... Vancouver (BC) has its risks as well but imo its the best place in Canada to live (beaches, decent weather, tons of parks, friendly, clean, good transit, laid back, skiing & mountains nearby)... Why live somewhere that you dont enjoy? I could never live in Toronto, not sure I would even want to visit that city.. Picking a place to live (forever?) isnt easy, the better the research & thought that goes into it, the better the outcome tho..

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Hurricane activity has been unusually low for many years now

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think he is trying to prove that unless thousands die, its not a catastrophe.
The fact that people learned and safety has become a feature for oft hit areas is a good thing, less people dying is a good thing.
Completely ignoring the rest of the worlds floods, or the horrific fires on the east coast of the US, two major hurricanes in the same month(so far)
of course climate change is a hoax.
As Stevie Wonder recently said, you have to be ignorant or blind not to see its real. (paraphrasing)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think he is trying to prove that unless thousands die, its not a catastrophe.
The fact that people learned and safety has become a feature for oft hit areas is a good thing, less people dying is a good thing.
Completely ignoring the rest of the worlds floods, or the horrific fires on the east coast of the US, two major hurricanes in the same month(so far)
of course climate change is a hoax.
As Stevie Wonder recently said, you have to be ignorant or blind not to see its real. (paraphrasing)

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ORIGINAL: DarkRavisher

Holland: Is very densely populated, 20 % of their population of17 million live below sea level, 50% of their land mass is below 1 metre in height, and they have pretty much run out of places to build. But they are simply the best in the world when it comes to holding back the sea but it required a catalyst which was - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953#Netherlands
The Thames barrier was also built as a result of that storm in 1953 where the death toll was 2,551 killed (1,836 in the Netherlands, 307 in England, 28 in Belgium, 19 in Scotland, 361 at sea).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUqrBV4SiqQ
Only time will tell whether they can hold back climate change or a truly massive storm surge.
The problem with terms like the 1% storm or the 1 in 100 year storm, as it is more commonly known, from a statistical standpoint you can have 2 in the same year, or 2 in two years (the same applies for the 1000 years storm). All these term were coined before global warming.

What happened with that chemical plant? And why weren’t the backup generators raised, or the backup backup generators raised? A lesson that should have been learned after Fukishima the world over because things can often take a turn for the worse, and quickly.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Hurricane Irma, could be a CAT 4 or CAT 5 Hurricane!
5.6 Million Floridians have been encouraged to evacuate.
Many seem to be leaving at the last minute, and trying to get out has become a
nightmare.
This could be a seriously devastating hurricane.
People have been talking about Hurricane Irma for over a week, just as people were talking about Hurricane Harvey WELL in advance.

I am glad I no longer live in Florida!
Thoughts on Hurricane Irma?

Weather.com 5.4 MILLION encouraged to evacuate in Florida!

CNN- Florida highways jammed as people attempt to evacuate

Key West Official- Leave NOW or you are on your own.

My thoughts on Hurricane Irma:

It's a hurricane.

It's awful.

It's gonna be painful for those that live there.

It's life.

Awful.

Horrible things...everywhere...across the globe.

Next?

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Hurricane activity has been unusually low for many years now

[img]http://media.nola.com/health_impact/photo/flooded-9th-wardjpg-2abaab945ff0fcab_large.jpg[/img]

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

While there IS a huge difference between the media attention, with social media, immediate pics news feeds compared to even twenty years ago, its largely people cant be bothered.
No news here of the mexican earthquake, very little about the fires in cali, or the west coast or canada. But the news is out there if you can be bothered to look.
But sorry laziness is not science.

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Empathy diminishes with distance from any tragedy. I mean really who cares about Bangladesh, right?

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

While there IS a huge difference between the media attention, with social media, immediate pics news feeds compared to even twenty years ago, its largely people cant be bothered.
No news here of the mexican earthquake, very little about the fires in cali, or the west coast or canada. But the news is out there if you can be bothered to look.
But sorry laziness is not science.

It was reported last week that some 1200 lives were lost in a typhoon in India or Bangladesh, I don’t know where. Hardly anybody talks about that here. But that’s understandable. Empathy diminishes with distance from any tragedy. I mean really who cares about Bangladesh, right?

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"How many once-in-a-lifetime storms will it take," demands "The Daily Show" comic Trevor Noah, "until everyone admits man-made climate change is real?!"

His audience roars its approval.

When Hurricane Irma hit, so-called friends admonished me, "Look what your fossil fuels have done! Will you finally admit you are wrong?"

No. It's the alarmists who are wrong -- on so many levels.

First, two big storms don't mean much.

The global warming activists must know that because when Donald Trump joked about a lack of warming on a snowy day, they lectured us about how "weather is not climate -- one snow storm is irrelevant to long-term climate."

They were right then. But now that bad weather has come, they change their tune.

Time magazine reported confidently, "Climate change makes the hurricane season worse."

But Irma and Harvey came after a record 12 years without any Category 3-5 storms. Over those 12 years, did Time say the absence of storms proved climate change fear exaggerated? No. Of course not.

It seems logical that warmer water may make storms worse, but there's no proof of that.

The government's own National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says neither its models "nor our analyses of trends in Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm counts over the past 120-plus years support the notion that greenhouse gas-induced warming leads to large increases in either tropical storm or overall hurricane numbers."

As Irma approached, The Washington Post ran an even dumber headline: "Irma and Harvey Should Kill Any Doubt That Climate Change Is Real."

That's phrased to make any skeptic look ridiculous.

Of course climate change is real! Climate changes -- it always has and always will. For the past 300 years, since "the little ice age," the globe warmed about three degrees. The warming started well before man emitted much carbon.

So the real unanswered questions are:

1. Will climate change become a crisis? (We face immediate crises now: poverty, terrorism, a $20 trillion debt, rebuilding after the hurricanes)

2. Is there anything we can do about it? (No. Not now; the science isn't there yet.)

3. Did man's burning fossil fuels increase the warming? (Probably. But we don't know how much.)

I resent how the alarmists mix these questions, pretending all the science is settled. Notice how Trevor Noah, above, tossed out the words "man-made," as if all climate change is man-made?

OK, he's just a comic, but New York Times writers constantly yammer about "human-caused" and "man-made" climate change, too.

Politicians (and ex-politicians like Al Gore) are eager to exploit our fears by calling for more spending and regulation in the name of fighting deadly but preventable climate change -- as if feeble efforts like the Paris climate accord would have made the tiniest difference. They wouldn't. It's all for show.

A video I made about this seems to have struck a chord. It got more than a million views over the weekend.

Some people reacted with anger online: "the scientific community suggest that humans are contributing to the warming of the planet. Isn't (it) at least a little reckless to put a finger in each ear and say 'Nuh uh! LALALALALALALALALA!'"

That would be reckless. But no one advocates that. We already spend a fortune on subsidies, mandates and climate research. The real questions are outlined above.

A calmer commenter wrote, "Don't forget the hurricanes of the past. 1926 Miami, 1935 Keys, 1947 West Palm Beach, Donna 1961. People act like hurricanes like these have never happened."

Right. And he left out Galveston's hurricane in 1900, which killed as many as 12,000 people.

One commenter added, "It's called El Nino and La Nina. We will be entering El Nino again (and) so seeing storms actually form. It shifts back and forth every 7-10 years or so. Do schools not teach these things?"

Climate fluctuates, and humans don't have too much to say about it.

Maybe someday humans will be gone. The storms will continue. But at least there'll be less hot air.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Hurricane Irma, could be a CAT 4 or CAT 5 Hurricane!
5.6 Million Floridians have been encouraged to evacuate.
Many seem to be leaving at the last minute, and trying to get out has become a
nightmare.
This could be a seriously devastating hurricane.
People have been talking about Hurricane Irma for over a week, just as people were talking about Hurricane Harvey WELL in advance.

I am glad I no longer live in Florida!
Thoughts on Hurricane Irma?

Weather.com 5.4 MILLION encouraged to evacuate in Florida!

CNN- Florida highways jammed as people attempt to evacuate

Key West Official- Leave NOW or you are on your own.

My thoughts on Hurricane Irma:

It's a hurricane.

It's awful.

It's gonna be painful for those that live there.

It's life.

Awful.

Horrible things...everywhere...across the globe.

Next?

It is horrible for Floridians, especially on the West Coast. But it is devastating and life-changing for people in the American Virgin Islands, St. Thomas, St. John, and St. Croix

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here greta, lucy loves townhall:

"Blame for Disaster:

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"How many once-in-a-lifetime storms will it take," demands "The Daily Show" comic Trevor Noah, "until everyone admits man-made climate change is real?!"

His audience roars its approval.

When Hurricane Irma hit, so-called friends admonished me, "Look what your fossil fuels have done! Will you finally admit you are wrong?"

No. It's the alarmists who are wrong -- on so many levels.

First, two big storms don't mean much.

The global warming activists must know that because when Donald Trump joked about a lack of warming on a snowy day, they lectured us about how "weather is not climate -- one snow storm is irrelevant to long-term climate."

They were right then. But now that bad weather has come, they change their tune.

Time magazine reported confidently, "Climate change makes the hurricane season worse."

But Irma and Harvey came after a record 12 years without any Category 3-5 storms. Over those 12 years, did Time say the absence of storms proved climate change fear exaggerated? No. Of course not.

It seems logical that warmer water may make storms worse, but there's no proof of that.

The government's own National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says neither its models "nor our analyses of trends in Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm counts over the past 120-plus years support the notion that greenhouse gas-induced warming leads to large increases in either tropical storm or overall hurricane numbers."

As Irma approached, The Washington Post ran an even dumber headline: "Irma and Harvey Should Kill Any Doubt That Climate Change Is Real."

That's phrased to make any skeptic look ridiculous.

Of course climate change is real! Climate changes -- it always has and always will. For the past 300 years, since "the little ice age," the globe warmed about three degrees. The warming started well before man emitted much carbon.

So the real unanswered questions are:

1. Will climate change become a crisis? (We face immediate crises now: poverty, terrorism, a $20 trillion debt, rebuilding after the hurricanes)

2. Is there anything we can do about it? (No. Not now; the science isn't there yet.)

3. Did man's burning fossil fuels increase the warming? (Probably. But we don't know how much.)

I resent how the alarmists mix these questions, pretending all the science is settled. Notice how Trevor Noah, above, tossed out the words "man-made," as if all climate change is man-made?

OK, he's just a comic, but New York Times writers constantly yammer about "human-caused" and "man-made" climate change, too.

Politicians (and ex-politicians like Al Gore) are eager to exploit our fears by calling for more spending and regulation in the name of fighting deadly but preventable climate change -- as if feeble efforts like the Paris climate accord would have made the tiniest difference. They wouldn't. It's all for show.

A video I made about this seems to have struck a chord. It got more than a million views over the weekend.

Some people reacted with anger online: "the scientific community suggest that humans are contributing to the warming of the planet. Isn't (it) at least a little reckless to put a finger in each ear and say 'Nuh uh! LALALALALALALALALA!'"

That would be reckless. But no one advocates that. We already spend a fortune on subsidies, mandates and climate research. The real questions are outlined above.

A calmer commenter wrote, "Don't forget the hurricanes of the past. 1926 Miami, 1935 Keys, 1947 West Palm Beach, Donna 1961. People act like hurricanes like these have never happened."

Right. And he left out Galveston's hurricane in 1900, which killed as many as 12,000 people.

One commenter added, "It's called El Nino and La Nina. We will be entering El Nino again (and) so seeing storms actually form. It shifts back and forth every 7-10 years or so. Do schools not teach these things?"

Climate fluctuates, and humans don't have too much to say about it.

Maybe someday humans will be gone. The storms will continue. But at least there'll be less hot air.

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2017/09/13/blame-for-disaster-n2380420