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BoscoX -> A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 11:57:58 AM)
We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times

WhoreMods -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 12:04:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times You desperate apologists have been saying that for nine months now. And everything that might have been a turning point wasn't: most of the time he just doubles down on his infantile witless bullshit instead of acting presidential.

MasterG2kTR -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 12:34:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket.....

BoscoX -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 12:40:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket..... Really? It's all insured. That's why you people are called howlers

bounty44 -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 12:54:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket..... the implication being what---that he wouldn't wanted to have passed the bill if he didn't own property there? seriously??

Lucylastic -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 12:58:01 PM)
FR. nope not "another" turning point, or pivot. that the repubs voted no, isnt a surprise. Trump couldnt afford a shut down, he had to up the debt ceiling, he had to get funding for the storm victims, otherwise he would be blamed like Bush, Obama etc were blamed for the "problems" he couldnt go much lower in the polls, he had to do something. hes pissed with the repubs, over healthcare failures, so he went with the dems The fact that he has cut EPA< and Fema and regulations for safety, will be fogotton because he passed the bill with the dems. Waiting to see what happens in December, That its taken till now to actually get something passed shouldnt be a "turning point" The people need the money for the storm furies... he had no other choice... hardly heroic. Being heroic would be medicaid for all. A turning point would be medicaid for all. YMMV

MrRodgers -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 1:17:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket..... Really? It's all insured. That's why you people are called howlers No it's not all insured. And that is Trump's character through and through. The US treasury is now his...in his mind.

BoscoX -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 2:46:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket..... Really? It's all insured. That's why you people are called howlers No it's not all insured. And that is Trump's character through and through. The US treasury is now his...in his mind. That post says far more about you, than it does the president You really think you can read his mind? You are insane.

Made2Obey -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 3:30:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket..... Really? It's all insured. That's why you people are called howlers No it's not all insured. And that is Trump's character through and through. The US treasury is now his...in his mind. Don't be ridiculous. Unless he paid cash for those properties they have a mortgage, and you can't get a mortgage on uninsured property, especially of that value.

kdsub -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 6:01:02 PM)
What this says... If what you propose directly benefits the American people and not a particular party there will be no problem getting any legislation through. For too long both parties have been catering to their radical left and right rather than true middle America. Trump would have no problem getting healthcare or tax reform passed if his proposals benefit all Americans. He would get support from both sides of Congress and could easily overcome the radicals in both parties... But Bosco... that means compromise. I believe if he did compromise his party would be the winners in the long run and he could win reelection. People want a congress that works together for the common good and the party that embraces this will dominate for years to come. Butch

sloguy02246 -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 7:48:06 PM)
FR - I seem to recall a similar reaction after he addressed Congress for the first time and it did not last. Whether this is an actual "turning point" or just a another slight blip/glitch in a continuing downward spiral, only time will tell.

Nnanji -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 8:12:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX We may be witnessing a turning point in the Trump presidency (Michael Goodwin) Keep these numbers in mind: 316 to 90 and 80 to 17. They were the lopsided votes in the House and Senate in support of the deal President Trump made with Democratic leaders on storm aid, the debt limit and government funding. Remarkably, all the no voters were Republicans. The numbers shout that we are witnessing a potential turning point in the Trump presidency, one that could further shake up Washington and rattle the calcified political parties. Frustrated by the failure of GOP majorities in both chambers to pass his agenda, Trump followed through on threats to work with Democrats. Signs suggest it was not a one-off deal, as the president already is discussing other topics with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi... More Related: Bound to No Party, Trump Upends 150 Years of Two-Party Rule 'The New Washington': How Schumer's Power Play Led to a Deal With Trump APPROVAL POPS TO 46%... Interesting times Of course Trump wanted to pass the storm aid bill.....he owns a shitload of property in the path of the storm Irma and wants to make sure the recovery cost doesn't come out of his pocket..... Really? It's all insured. That's why you people are called howlers No it's not all insured. And that is Trump's character through and through. The US treasury is now his...in his mind. Where is that tin foil hat god damn it! [sm=halloweensmiley_41.gif] Lol, this is how you drop in a spread wisdom to the unannoited? [sm=abducted.gif]

Real0ne -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 8:23:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub What this says... If what you propose directly benefits the American people and not a particular party there will be no problem getting any legislation through. For too long both parties have been catering to their radical left and right rather than true middle America. Trump would have no problem getting healthcare or tax reform passed if his proposals benefit all Americans. He would get support from both sides of Congress and could easily overcome the radicals in both parties... But Bosco... that means compromise. I believe if he did compromise his party would be the winners in the long run and he could win reelection. People want a congress that works together for the common good and the party that embraces this will dominate for years to come. Butch bullshit, its not americans he has to appease for HC, its all the asstwits with their fingers in the pie feeding at the trough. dream on double bullshit, people want a congress that protects their rights first and foremost, seen one lately?

heavyblinker -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/10/2017 10:20:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers No it's not all insured. And that is Trump's character through and through. The US treasury is now his...in his mind. It's actually insured by the federal government: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mar-a-lago-has-a-flood-insurance-policy-through-the-federal-government_us_59b3cd79e4b0dfaafcf82e52 quote: A property covered at the “full-risk” rate means that its owner is paying a rate that reflects the full risk of flooding up to a certain coverage amount. Older properties can be “subsidized,” meaning their rates do not necessarily reflect the full risk for those properties. The 1968-era National Flood Insurance Program, or NFIP, offers a mix of rates. The insurance program’s authorization was set to expire at the end of this month, but Trump signed legislation on Friday that temporarily extends it. NFIP as a whole has been criticized for not charging enough to cover the expected costs of liabilities. It also consistently does not bring in enough money to pay out the properties it insures, and owes around $25 billion to the U.S. Treasury. Based on policies that went into effect on Aug. 31, 2016, the program is projected to have a one-year shortfall of $1.4 billion, according to a Congressional Budget Office report published this month.

Hillwilliam -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/11/2017 4:36:12 AM)
Our President made a deal with the Democrats. WTF do you expect from a lifelong.............................DEMOCRAT?

DesideriScuri -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/11/2017 5:02:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub People want a congress that works together for the common good and the party that embraces this will dominate for years to come. Butch The parties are split, not on what is good for the population as a whole, but in how to get to that end. Does anyone want the anyone to die because they can't afford medical care? Of course not. But, the don't agree on how to get to that point.

Hillwilliam -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/11/2017 6:29:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Does anyone want the anyone to die because they can't afford medical care? Of course not. I disagree. There are some so-called conservatives who believe just that when it comes to those who are very ill or who require 'excessive' amounts of care due to birth defects.

kdsub -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/11/2017 7:08:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub People want a congress that works together for the common good and the party that embraces this will dominate for years to come. Butch The parties are split, not on what is good for the population as a whole, but in how to get to that end. Does anyone want the anyone to die because they can't afford medical care? Of course not. But, the don't agree on how to get to that point. That is why compromise is essential for a functioning government. Both parties are guilty of this but when the controlling party tries to completely shut down input from the minority party Congress becomes dysfunctional. As we have seen over the last few years legislation passed without compromise only lasts until the party dominance changes...and it will change. Legislation that lasts is a compromise where neither party gets exactly what they want. However there is at least enough input that legislation can be tweaked as needed without having to throw out programs and develop another. Butch

DesideriScuri -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/11/2017 7:32:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub People want a congress that works together for the common good and the party that embraces this will dominate for years to come. Butch The parties are split, not on what is good for the population as a whole, but in how to get to that end. Does anyone want the anyone to die because they can't afford medical care? Of course not. But, the don't agree on how to get to that point. That is why compromise is essential for a functioning government. Both parties are guilty of this but when the controlling party tries to completely shut down input from the minority party Congress becomes dysfunctional. As we have seen over the last few years legislation passed without compromise only lasts until the party dominance changes...and it will change. Legislation that lasts is a compromise where neither party gets exactly what they want. However there is at least enough input that legislation can be tweaked as needed without having to throw out programs and develop another. Butch Polarity of the process has ramped up greatly. The GOP runs on a platform of fighting to prevent X, Y, Z. The Democrats run on a platform of preventing U, V, W. When it comes time to legislate, the GOP can't budge on X, Y, or Z, which are the only things the Democrats want to talk about, and the Democrats won't budge on U, V, or W, which are the only things the GOP want to talk about. You run on a platform of preventing A, B, and C, and you compromise on any or all of them? You'll be crushed the next election cycle, by your own party for being a sellout, and by the other party for being a liar. Abolish all parties. (Not that I have a clue how to do that or if it would even work.)

Musicmystery -> RE: A turning point in the Trump presidency? (9/11/2017 7:42:31 AM)
~FR~ That Trump is working with Democrats doesn't necessarily mean a shift in political alliances. This is Trump we're talking about. His motivation could entirely be to stick it to McConnell and Ryan for not magically passing his agenda. A trend toward working with Democrats remains to be seen.

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