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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

It's one thing to have beliefs, and another thing if those beliefs lead to discriminatory practices in society.
Notice that society doesn't officially tolerate racial or gender discrimination in the workplace, and doing so can result in a lawsuit.

Maybe they can't force him to make a cake, but because his beliefs are not only causing but also encouraging discrimination in society, he should definitely be penalized.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

One where shouting "Is too! Is too!" over and over proves that you're right, obviously.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

It's one thing to have beliefs, and another thing if those beliefs lead to discriminatory practices in society.
Notice that society doesn't officially tolerate racial or gender discrimination in the workplace, and doing so can result in a lawsuit.

Maybe they can't force him to make a cake, but because his beliefs are not only causing but also encouraging discrimination in society, he should definitely be penalized.

He is penalized. He didn't get to make the money from the cake, and he limited his customer base.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

How about forcing the religion they hide behind to propagate hate?

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 288 helpful votes

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Titus 3:1 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

Because the 'observation' you made is totally false and projected from your ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

Because the 'observation' you made is totally false and projected from your ignorance.

Oh look, it's some circular reasoning.
On a forum full of strawmen, it's actually a breath of fresh air to see a new fallacy being thrown around.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

How about forcing the religion they hide behind to propagate hate?

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 288 helpful votes

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Titus 3:1 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

How does anything above propogate hate?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

One where shouting "Is too! Is too!" over and over proves that you're right, obviously.

Nope. Really, could you try to find something of any value at all to say sometime. Your posts are nothing but garbage.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

How about forcing the religion they hide behind to propagate hate?

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 288 helpful votes

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Titus 3:1 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

How does anything above propogate hate?

How is anything I wrote being used by the bakery in his religion?

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"]

and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet.

yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful."

first amendment---nah! who needs it??

It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up.

Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything.

You just backed it up yourself.

And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

What bizarro world do you live in where simply making an observation is a demonstration of ignorance?

One where shouting "Is too! Is too!" over and over proves that you're right, obviously.

Nope. Really, could you try to find something of any value at all to say sometime. Your posts are nothing but garbage.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

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Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/us/supreme-court-baker-same-sex-marriage.html

LAKEWOOD, Colo. — Jack Phillips bakes beautiful cakes, and it is not a stretch to call him an artist. Five years ago, in a decision that has led to a Supreme Court showdown, he refused to use his skills to make a wedding cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage, saying it would violate his Christian faith and hijack his right to express himself.

“It’s more than just a cake,” he said at his bakery one recent morning. “It’s a piece of art in so many ways.”

The couple he refused to serve, David Mullins and Charlie Craig, filed civil rights charges. They said they had been demeaned and humiliated as they sought to celebrate their union.

“We asked for a cake,” Mr. Craig said. “We didn’t ask for a piece of art or for him to make a statement for us. He simply turned us away because of who we are.”

At first blush, the case looked like a conflict between a state law banning discrimination and the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom. But when the Supreme Court hears the case this fall, the arguments will mostly center on a different part of the First Amendment: its protection of free speech.

Part of me wonders if it was for two women would he have refused. Long story short I voted yes, I wanted to vote no.