Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple?

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Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple?

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ShadesDecadent -> Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 9:27:05 AM)
Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/us/supreme-court-baker-same-sex-marriage.html LAKEWOOD, Colo. — Jack Phillips bakes beautiful cakes, and it is not a stretch to call him an artist. Five years ago, in a decision that has led to a Supreme Court showdown, he refused to use his skills to make a wedding cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage, saying it would violate his Christian faith and hijack his right to express himself. “It’s more than just a cake,” he said at his bakery one recent morning. “It’s a piece of art in so many ways.” The couple he refused to serve, David Mullins and Charlie Craig, filed civil rights charges. They said they had been demeaned and humiliated as they sought to celebrate their union. “We asked for a cake,” Mr. Craig said. “We didn’t ask for a piece of art or for him to make a statement for us. He simply turned us away because of who we are.” At first blush, the case looked like a conflict between a state law banning discrimination and the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom. But when the Supreme Court hears the case this fall, the arguments will mostly center on a different part of the First Amendment: its protection of free speech. Part of me wonders if it was for two women would he have refused. Long story short I voted yes, I wanted to vote no.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:08:49 AM)
These intolerant Christian types are fucking cancer and their churches should be classified as hate groups... but of course, that will never happen simply because they are too numerous. But I don't think he should be forced to make the cake, forced to close, or forced to do anything, because he will only end up crying to FOX news about liberal PC tyranny, Trump will latch onto it and the Nazis/alt-right/librul-haters will only be emboldened. You unfortunately can't force people to be nice to each other because it just makes them worse. As long as there is a right-wing media, as long as there is stupidity, as long as there is paranoia and ignorance, you will run into discrimination and people who will fight for the right to be awful. Especially with Trump in office, America will continue to grow shittier and shittier. The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:11:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker These intolerant Christian types are fucking cancer and their churches should be classified as hate groups... but of course, that will never happen simply because they are too numerous. But I don't think he should be forced to make the cake, forced to close, or forced to do anything, because he will only end up crying to FOX news about liberal PC tyranny, Trump will latch onto it and the Nazis/alt-right/librul-haters will only be emboldened. You unfortunately can't force people to be nice to each other because it just makes them worse. As long as there is a right-wing media, as long as there is stupidity, as long as there is paranoia and ignorance, you will run into discrimination and people who will fight for the right to be awful. Especially with Trump in office, America will continue to grow shittier and shittier. The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. Not agreeing with you and not supporting your actions because i don't agree with them is not hate. Parents do it to their children all of the time.

bounty44 -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:26:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"] and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet. yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful." first amendment---nah! who needs it??

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:34:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Not agreeing with you and not supporting your actions because i don't agree with them is not hate. Parents do it to their children all of the time. Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society. And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:38:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"] and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet. yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful." first amendment---nah! who needs it?? It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up. Hey... maybe if you posted an opinion column from townhall.com, it would make your argument seem stronger? Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything. It is ignorance and stupidity dressed up in religion. Simply declaring that it's your religious belief does nothing to change what it actually is.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:46:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Not agreeing with you and not supporting your actions because i don't agree with them is not hate. Parents do it to their children all of the time. Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society. And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate. They are not ignorant at all. The problem with your kind is that you call people ignorant when they choose not to agree with you and your perspective. Now THAT is ignorant.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:48:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"] and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet. yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful." first amendment---nah! who needs it?? It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up. Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything. You just backed it up yourself.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:49:42 AM)
This case is more complicated than the article suggests even. There's no mention of States' Rights. Colorado should have the right to manage intrastate commerce, as it sees fit, enabling protections for minority classes as it chooses. If the Colorado law, as written and enforced, is deemed too vague, then the Court will overturn previous decisions. But I don't think that will happen. The Colorado law is written well, and has been enforced accurately, to make any goods or services offered to the public to be offered to the entire public. It's a reasonable law, allowing people to do every aspect of their business that doesn't have religious connotations in any way, while protecting the rights of consumers for equal access. The underlying problem is that there has been very little thought given in Congress or many states, to lead on how gay marriage can and should effect commerce at all. As the article says, 'Christian' groups just chose to move on to the next fight, instead of sitting down to work with the other side, so that everyone is as protected as possible. It does surprise me that Trump has chosen sides on this, because discrimination is just not good business. Apparently, I've given him more credit than he deserves.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:53:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Not agreeing with you and not supporting your actions because i don't agree with them is not hate. Parents do it to their children all of the time. Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society. And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate. They are not ignorant at all. The problem with your kind is that you call people ignorant when they choose not to agree with you and your perspective. Now THAT is ignorant. They assume they are privy to special truths about the universe that override science, individuality, tolerance and basic decency. They ARE ignorant.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:55:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"] and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet. yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful." first amendment---nah! who needs it?? It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up. Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything. You just backed it up yourself. And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 10:55:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Not agreeing with you and not supporting your actions because i don't agree with them is not hate. Parents do it to their children all of the time. Maybe not hate, but intolerance that is rooted in ignorance is objectively bad for society. And placing free speech over anti-discrimination empowers those who DO discriminate based on hate. They are not ignorant at all. The problem with your kind is that you call people ignorant when they choose not to agree with you and your perspective. Now THAT is ignorant. They assume they are privy to special truths about the universe that override science, individuality, tolerance and basic decency. They ARE ignorant. Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:03:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant. Nobody can prove it. God cannot be falsified, religion isn't science, and it isn't about thinking for yourself, being critical of what you are being told, or accepting that some people might just know themselves better than you do. This is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically. The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'. But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything. This is how cults like these work. I can say that the burden of proof is not on me, however... as I am not the one making the assertion that God hates fags.

WhoreMods -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:04:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShadesDecadent Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/us/supreme-court-baker-same-sex-marriage.html LAKEWOOD, Colo. — Jack Phillips bakes beautiful cakes, and it is not a stretch to call him an artist. Five years ago, in a decision that has led to a Supreme Court showdown, he refused to use his skills to make a wedding cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage, saying it would violate his Christian faith and hijack his right to express himself. “It’s more than just a cake,” he said at his bakery one recent morning. “It’s a piece of art in so many ways.” The couple he refused to serve, David Mullins and Charlie Craig, filed civil rights charges. They said they had been demeaned and humiliated as they sought to celebrate their union. “We asked for a cake,” Mr. Craig said. “We didn’t ask for a piece of art or for him to make a statement for us. He simply turned us away because of who we are.” At first blush, the case looked like a conflict between a state law banning discrimination and the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom. But when the Supreme Court hears the case this fall, the arguments will mostly center on a different part of the First Amendment: its protection of free speech. Part of me wonders if it was for two women would he have refused. Long story short I voted yes, I wanted to vote no. I sometimes wonder why a guy with issues over making cakes for homosexuals got into the catering business in the first place. If there's one line of work where you're pretty much guaranteed to end up with colleagues who are disinterested in heterosexuality, it's that one, isn't it?

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:06:02 AM)
Suddenly his homophobia makes all the sense in the world.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:06:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant. Nobody can prove it. God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically. The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'. But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything. This is how cults like these work. Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

WhoreMods -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:07:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker Suddenly his homophobia makes all the sense in the world. You think he might be in denial about something?

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:09:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"] and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet. yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful." first amendment---nah! who needs it?? It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up. Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything. You just backed it up yourself. And it's yet another comment that is totally without substance. And this statement serves to further confirm your ignorance, just in case anyone wasn't quite sure.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:11:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: ShadesDecadent Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/us/supreme-court-baker-same-sex-marriage.html LAKEWOOD, Colo. — Jack Phillips bakes beautiful cakes, and it is not a stretch to call him an artist. Five years ago, in a decision that has led to a Supreme Court showdown, he refused to use his skills to make a wedding cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage, saying it would violate his Christian faith and hijack his right to express himself. “It’s more than just a cake,” he said at his bakery one recent morning. “It’s a piece of art in so many ways.” The couple he refused to serve, David Mullins and Charlie Craig, filed civil rights charges. They said they had been demeaned and humiliated as they sought to celebrate their union. “We asked for a cake,” Mr. Craig said. “We didn’t ask for a piece of art or for him to make a statement for us. He simply turned us away because of who we are.” At first blush, the case looked like a conflict between a state law banning discrimination and the First Amendment’s protection of religious freedom. But when the Supreme Court hears the case this fall, the arguments will mostly center on a different part of the First Amendment: its protection of free speech. Part of me wonders if it was for two women would he have refused. Long story short I voted yes, I wanted to vote no. I sometimes wonder why a guy with issues over making cakes for homosexuals got into the catering business in the first place. If there's one line of work where you're pretty much guaranteed to end up with colleagues who are disinterested in heterosexuality, it's that one, isn't it? You say stupid things every day but this one's gotta be in the top 3.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 11:11:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you. It's one thing to have beliefs, and another thing if those beliefs lead to discriminatory practices in society. Notice that society doesn't officially tolerate racial or gender discrimination in the workplace, and doing so can result in a lawsuit. Maybe they can't force him to make a cake, but because his beliefs are not only causing but also encouraging discrimination in society, he should definitely be penalized.

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