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Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

How about forcing the religion they hide behind to propagate hate?

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 288 helpful votes

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Titus 3:1 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

How does anything above propogate hate?

How is anything I wrote being used by the bakery in his religion?

You made a statement. I asked you to explain it. You can't.

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Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to their 'book'.

It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.
What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

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This case is more complicated than the article suggests even. There's no mention of States' Rights. Colorado should have the right to manage intrastate commerce, as it sees fit, enabling protections for minority classes as it chooses. If the Colorado law, as written and enforced, is deemed too vague, then the Court will overturn previous decisions. But I don't think that will happen. The Colorado law is written well, and has been enforced accurately, to make any goods or services offered to the public to be offered to the entire public. It's a reasonable law, allowing people to do every aspect of their business that doesn't have religious connotations in any way, while protecting the rights of consumers for equal access.

The underlying problem is that there has been very little thought given in Congress or many states, to lead on how gay marriage can and should effect commerce at all. As the article says, 'Christian' groups just chose to move on to the next fight, instead of sitting down to work with the other side, so that everyone is as protected as possible.

It does surprise me that Trump has chosen sides on this, because discrimination is just not good business. Apparently, I've given him more credit than he deserves.

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Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to a single interpretation of their book.
It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.

What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

It's ironic that you are afraid of them when they have darker skin and speak a different language, but accepting of them when they are white and American... even though it's the same bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to their 'book'.

It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.
What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

As far as that one goes, I hope tamaka obeys the other proscriptions in Leviticus rather than just picking out the one that matches her prejudices.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to their 'book'.

It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.
What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

As far as that one goes, I hope tamaka obeys the other proscriptions in Leviticus rather than just picking out the one that matches her prejudices.

I don't obey any of it necessarily, because i am not religious.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

How about forcing the religion they hide behind to propagate hate?

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 288 helpful votes

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Titus 3:1 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

How does anything above propogate hate?

How is anything I wrote being used by the bakery in his religion?

You made a statement. I asked you to explain it. You can't.

I did make a statement. And you chose to misread it. The hate is in the act of discrimination itself. The verses I've provided explain why such discrimination, especially when it goes against the law, is against the tenements of the religion the baker hides behind.

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Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to their 'book'.

It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.
What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

As far as that one goes, I hope tamaka obeys the other proscriptions in Leviticus rather than just picking out the one that matches her prejudices.

I don't obey any of it necessarily, because i am not religious.

So why are you trotting out biblical references as an excuse for cakeboy, then?

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I didn't say go look fof a site that contorts the Bible for their purpose. I said go to the Bible itself and see what it says about homosexuality, then come back here and tell us why you were wrong.

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to their 'book'.

It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.
What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

As far as that one goes, I hope tamaka obeys the other proscriptions in Leviticus rather than just picking out the one that matches her prejudices.

I don't obey any of it necessarily, because i am not religious.

So why are you trotting out biblical references as an excuse for cakeboy, then?

Because that's what educated people do.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
Nope. You made a false statement. Good try but no points for you.

You THINK I made a false statement, and now you're trying to 'prove' that I did by saying that I did because I did because I did.
If you weren't using circular reasoning, you would have offered a reason by now... but you can't, so you haven't.

Google what the bible says about homosexuality. Then come back here and explain why you were wrong.

Oh FFS the Bible is full of scriptures that have been translated poorly and are open to multiple interpretations.
Are you seriously trying to claim that any church that performs gay marriages is not truly Christian?

http://www.upworthy.com/there-are-6-scriptures-about-homosexuality-in-the-bible-heres-what-they-really-say

'The Bible' also supports slavery, suggests people should be killed for eating shellfish, that men shouldn't have long hair and women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.
This is also what you get wrong about Muslims, BTW-- you think that everyone who declares themselves an adherent to a religion automatically becomes a slave to their 'book'.

It's simply not true and it is absurd to claim that this is how modern religions function today.
What IS true is that certain people and political persuasions have perverted religion to serve their own ends-- whether they are Islamic extremists or Christian fascists, it's all basically the same shit.
They want to OWN God and they think they can own him by hating on anyone who breaks their own stupid rules.

As far as that one goes, I hope tamaka obeys the other proscriptions in Leviticus rather than just picking out the one that matches her prejudices.

I don't obey any of it necessarily, because i am not religious.

So why are you trotting out biblical references as an excuse for cakeboy, then?

Because that's what educated people do.

It can't be if you're doing it, sweetie...

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I didn't say go look fof a site that contorts the Bible for their purpose. I said go to the Bible itself and see what it says about homosexuality, then come back here and tell us why you were wrong.

The relevant verses are in the article, genius.
And it isn't 'contorting', it's called having a different interpretation... characterizing it as such doesn't make your argument look stronger-- in fact, just the opposite.

Stop smoking so much weed.

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HeavyBlinker and JVoV, I am toiling with this one myself, its very complicated isnt it...and I was being serious when I said would he have made the cake for a couple of hot lesbians.

The amendment as adopted in 1791 reads as follows:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Now, is he an individual or business and should that even matter?
By exercising his first he denies two others theirs.
Happy to make cakes for pedos, wife beaters and criminal elements - unsavoury characters.
Base it on a religion which may very well be complete fiction - which is the sophism, straw-man hyperbole argument

Or is this the chicken and egg argument and circular.

I truly try to be impartial.
I voted yes. He is entitled to exercise the first. even if it is based on a false premise, lesbians aside.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka
I wish i was smoking weed. I only smoke every other weekend.

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ORIGINAL: ShadesDecadent

HeavyBlinker and JVoV, I am toiling with this one myself, its very complicated isnt it...and I was being serious when I said would he have made the cake for a couple of hot lesbians.

The amendment as adopted in 1791 reads as follows:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Now, is he an individual or business and should that even matter?
By exercising his first he denies two others theirs.
Happy to make cakes for pedos, wife beaters and criminal elements - unsavoury characters.
Base it on a religion which may very well be complete fiction - which is the sophism, straw-man hyperbole argument

Or is this the chicken and egg argument and circular.

I truly try to be impartial.
I voted yes. He is entitled to exercise the first. even if it is based on a false premise, lesbians aside.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

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Prove it. You may just as easily be the one who is ignorant.

Nobody can prove it.
God cannot be falsified, which is why religion is such an effective tool to manipulate people politically.

The point of certain churches is simply to destroy critical thought and pass off ignorance, intolerance and political messages as 'God's will'.

But the idea that these people actually know what God wants is absurd simply because anyone anywhere can also make the same claim about absolutely anything.
This is how cults like these work.

Point being, they have a right to believe in the Bible if they want to and in doing so, they have a right to formulate their own sense of morality, just like you do. It is no better for you to force your belief system and morals on me then it is for me to force mine on you.

How about forcing the religion they hide behind to propagate hate?

Romans 13:1-7 ESV / 288 helpful votes

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

Titus 3:1 ESV / 138 helpful votes

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 29 helpful votes

Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous

How does anything above propogate hate?

How is anything I wrote being used by the bakery in his religion?

You made a statement. I asked you to explain it. You can't.

I did make a statement. And you chose to misread it. The hate is in the act of discrimination itself. The verses I've provided explain why such discrimination, especially when it goes against the law, is against the tenements of the religion the baker hides behind.

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The lower courts have sided with him. It disgusted me to side with him...for me it (truly) hinges on who is point origin - eg him or the couple in conjunction with the "First"

There have been a spate of cases like this in the UK recently...they always side with the couple.