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Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple?

Yes

60% (12)

40% (8)

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0% (0)

Total Votes : 20

(last vote on : 9/26/2017 12:06:55 AM)
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BamaD -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:18:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: ShadesDecadent HeavyBlinker and JVoV, I am toiling with this one myself, its very complicated isnt it...and I was being serious when I said would he have made the cake for a couple of hot lesbians. The amendment as adopted in 1791 reads as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Now, is he an individual or business and should that even matter? By exercising his first he denies two others theirs. Happy to make cakes for pedos, wife beaters and criminal elements - unsavoury characters. Base it on a religion which may very well be complete fiction - which is the sophism, straw-man hyperbole argument Or is this the chicken and egg argument and circular. I truly try to be impartial. I voted yes. He is entitled to exercise the first. even if it is based on a false premise, lesbians aside. It's always a troll thread, and we've already had it about lesbians. Show me the scriptures about baking a cake. Show me the religious ceremony involved. The gay couple didn't have time to say whether they wanted traditional buttercream or frosting made with the ritual circlejerk of 500 young men; obviously that would require a specialty bakery. The bakery would possibly have more standing if there were an actual religious ceremony being conducted, but the wedding had already been officiated, so this was simply a party or reception. The bakery refused, without any details other than knowing it was for a gay couple. Once the State stepped in to certify marriages, religion lost its hold in many ways. So the question becomes is marriage a holy union, or a civil union? Can the State make something holy if God decides otherwise? The scariest thing for 'Christians' is that if God automatically gets an invitation to every wedding, what happens if he decides to show up? You still require him to participate in the celebration of a gay wedding.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:21:36 PM)
tamaka, if your comprehension of the English language is so horrid, then I could try to write in your native tongue. But there is too much; I will sum up: Outside of the laws of the land, man has no authority, scripturally or legally, to judge one another. Sinning against a sinner is still sin, and will be judged by the proper authority when that day comes. That's my interpretation of the verses I posted. So, in my understanding, the baker is going against the very faith he hides behind, putting his own immortal soul in jeapordy. And did so with no hesitation, no spiritual advice, research, or guidance, and not even a moment of silent prayer. Even knowing my sins, I take the time to pray when I believe I'm up against evil.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:21:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD He does not deny others theirs, they just go to a different baker, if he has to participate in a gay wedding he isn't allowed to follow his beliefs. No, he is allowed to follow his beliefs. Society on the other hand is not obligated to stoop to his level and tolerate them.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:23:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: ShadesDecadent HeavyBlinker and JVoV, I am toiling with this one myself, its very complicated isnt it...and I was being serious when I said would he have made the cake for a couple of hot lesbians. The amendment as adopted in 1791 reads as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances Now, is he an individual or business and should that even matter? By exercising his first he denies two others theirs. Happy to make cakes for pedos, wife beaters and criminal elements - unsavoury characters. Base it on a religion which may very well be complete fiction - which is the sophism, straw-man hyperbole argument Or is this the chicken and egg argument and circular. I truly try to be impartial. I voted yes. He is entitled to exercise the first. even if it is based on a false premise, lesbians aside. It's always a troll thread, and we've already had it about lesbians. Show me the scriptures about baking a cake. Show me the religious ceremony involved. The gay couple didn't have time to say whether they wanted traditional buttercream or frosting made with the ritual circlejerk of 500 young men; obviously that would require a specialty bakery. The bakery would possibly have more standing if there were an actual religious ceremony being conducted, but the wedding had already been officiated, so this was simply a party or reception. The bakery refused, without any details other than knowing it was for a gay couple. Once the State stepped in to certify marriages, religion lost its hold in many ways. So the question becomes is marriage a holy union, or a civil union? Can the State make something holy if God decides otherwise? The scariest thing for 'Christians' is that if God automatically gets an invitation to every wedding, what happens if he decides to show up? You still require him to participate in the celebration of a gay wedding. As he joins in the celebrations of bastard children, temptresses, adulterers, etc.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:24:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I wish i was smoking weed. I only smoke every other weekend. It's taking a toll. Why are you choosing to attack me personally because i don't agree with you?

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:27:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I wish i was smoking weed. I only smoke every other weekend. It's taking a toll. Why are you choosing to attack me personally because i don't agree with you? LOL, and saying I'm ignorant because I'm ignorant because I'm ignorant isn't an attack. I was mostly pointing out that you are making extremely lazy arguments. If you don't want to hear any interpretation of the Bible that threatens whatever you want to believe then there is no point in having this conversation.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:31:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I wish i was smoking weed. I only smoke every other weekend. It's taking a toll. Why are you choosing to attack me personally because i don't agree with you? If you don't want to hear any interpretation of the Bible that threatens whatever you want to believe then there is no point in having this conversation. Back at ya.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:33:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV tamaka, if your comprehension of the English language is so horrid, then I could try to write in your native tongue. But there is too much; I will sum up: Outside of the laws of the land, man has no authority, scripturally or legally, to judge one another. Sinning against a sinner is still sin, and will be judged by the proper authority when that day comes. That's my interpretation of the verses I posted. So, in my understanding, the baker is going against the very faith he hides behind, putting his own immortal soul in jeapordy. And did so with no hesitation, no spiritual advice, research, or guidance, and not even a moment of silent prayer. Even knowing my sins, I take the time to pray when I believe I'm up against evil. We live in a democratic republic where we make our own laws.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:36:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD He does not deny others theirs, they just go to a different baker, if he has to participate in a gay wedding he isn't allowed to follow his beliefs. No, he is allowed to follow his beliefs. Society on the other hand is not obligated to stoop to his level and tolerate them. That's it exactly. How many people fake it when Grace is said at the dinner table? Why? Because it's disrespectful to go into a tirade against Aunt Gertrude, and not worth the fight. But if her religion says anyone that survives the live cobra on the table gets to eat, then there's much more at risk, so you don't give in. Can you invoke the Spirit of God to an unholy event of any sort, in anything other than defense? If He comes, He'll decide what to do, and He isn't known for subtlety.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:39:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I wish i was smoking weed. I only smoke every other weekend. It's taking a toll. Why are you choosing to attack me personally because i don't agree with you? If you don't want to hear any interpretation of the Bible that threatens whatever you want to believe then there is no point in having this conversation. Back at ya. [8\|] You were arguing that there is only ONE valid interpretation of the Bible verses concerning homosexuality. I was arguing that there are MULTIPLE interpretations, and none is more valid than any of the others. You can't suddenly say 'back at ya' as if this was about my interpretation versus yours... you're changing the entire argument and putting words in my mouth. This is what I mean about the weed taking a toll.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV tamaka, if your comprehension of the English language is so horrid, then I could try to write in your native tongue. But there is too much; I will sum up: Outside of the laws of the land, man has no authority, scripturally or legally, to judge one another. Sinning against a sinner is still sin, and will be judged by the proper authority when that day comes. That's my interpretation of the verses I posted. So, in my understanding, the baker is going against the very faith he hides behind, putting his own immortal soul in jeapordy. And did so with no hesitation, no spiritual advice, research, or guidance, and not even a moment of silent prayer. Even knowing my sins, I take the time to pray when I believe I'm up against evil. We live in a democratic republic where we make our own laws. And the law of the State of Colorado has decided against the bakery, penalizing them. Hence the case name.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:40:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV tamaka, if your comprehension of the English language is so horrid, then I could try to write in your native tongue. But there is too much; I will sum up: Outside of the laws of the land, man has no authority, scripturally or legally, to judge one another. Sinning against a sinner is still sin, and will be judged by the proper authority when that day comes. That's my interpretation of the verses I posted. So, in my understanding, the baker is going against the very faith he hides behind, putting his own immortal soul in jeapordy. And did so with no hesitation, no spiritual advice, research, or guidance, and not even a moment of silent prayer. Even knowing my sins, I take the time to pray when I believe I'm up against evil. We live in a democratic republic where we make our own laws. And the law of the State of Colorado has decided against the bakery, penalizing them. Hence the case name. Yippee for you then

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:42:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka I wish i was smoking weed. I only smoke every other weekend. It's taking a toll. Why are you choosing to attack me personally because i don't agree with you? If you don't want to hear any interpretation of the Bible that threatens whatever you want to believe then there is no point in having this conversation. Back at ya. [8\|] You were arguing that there is only ONE valid interpretation of the Bible verses concerning homosexuality. I was arguing that there are MULTIPLE interpretations, and none is more valid than any of the others. You can't suddenly say 'back at ya' as if this was about my interpretation versus yours... you're changing the entire argument and putting words in my mouth. This is what I mean about the weed taking a toll. Whatever. You're boring. And no... you aren't wiling to accept this person's interpretation of the Bible.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:44:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Whatever. You're boring. Yeah, it might have something to do with the fact that I have to keep explaining to you why your arguments don't make sense. If you could have figured it out on your own, an actual discussion might have taken place.

Nnanji -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:45:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker The gay couple could have just gone to another bakery and spared themselves and everyone else a lot of grief. except for, like you, they "intolerant...cancerous" types. [see "irony"] and your incredible ignorance as to what the church believes and does and why they do so is absolutely mind-boggling. you might as well be from another planet. yeah, god forbid (oops!) Christians should be able to mingle their faith life with their professional lives, especially when its related to something non-essential and deals with artistic expression. how "awful." first amendment---nah! who needs it?? It is a pattern with you RWNJs to simply proclaim that I am ignorant without even backing it up. Hey... maybe if you posted an opinion column from townhall.com, it would make your argument seem stronger? Intolerance of homosexuality has nothing to do with faith, God, the Bible, Jesus, or anything. It is ignorance and stupidity dressed up in religion. Simply declaring that it's your religious belief does nothing to change what it actually is. If you see a pattern, perhaps you should look at yourself.

tamaka -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:47:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Whatever. You're boring. Yeah, it might have something to do with the fact that I have to keep explaining to you why your arguments don't make sense. If you could have figured it out on your own, an actual discussion might have taken place. Back at ya.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:56:20 PM)
This just shows the hypocrisy of so many claiming to be Christian. Every one of us is a sinner. But we can always ask forgiveness.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:56:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka And no... you aren't wiling to accept this person's interpretation of the Bible. The problem is that I didn't say that and this argument is apparently too difficult for you to process. My point was that the existence of multiple interpretations proves that God's will cannot be discerned simply by reading the Bible, even if it did contain the indisputable truth. I originally said this: "They assume they are privy to special truths about the universe that override science, individuality, tolerance and basic decency. They ARE ignorant." You then said I was ignorant and I needed to prove them wrong... which I told you is impossible. It is also impossible for them to prove themselves right, which is, again, why their beliefs are rooted in ignorance... and why society is under no obligation to tolerate them. Because it is impossible to discern whether or not they are true/righteous/whatever, they have to be judged on other merits... which again brings us to the fact that society is not obligated to tolerate discrimination simply because it hides behind an unfalsifiable and utterly implausible moral authority.

heavyblinker -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 12:57:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji If you see a pattern, perhaps you should look at yourself. I don't have to when it is so blatantly obviously you.

JVoV -> RE: Cake Is His Art. So Can He Deny One to a Gay Couple? (9/17/2017 1:01:07 PM)
Yet, if we did have a high council of sorts, with any authority to decide religious differences, then we have a repeat of the Holy Catholic Empire, or a Christian version of Sharia law. I'm surprised there isn't a Christian version of Judge Judy on TV yet.

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