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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 4:55:16 AM   
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The campus confirmed that campus cops don't have tasers. I suspect budgetary problems.


don't know how much the things cost, but boy that would be a bad excuse. in many areas, campuses are awash with money and so its a matter of resource allocation.

there's debates, or at least there used to be, as to whether or not campus police should be armed.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 5:01:42 AM   
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I don't think ive ever read of an instance of police using them in a situation like this. or for that matter, apart from tasers, we hardly ever hear stories of cops using unique and specially designed non-lethal methods to subdue mortal threats. I don't doubt they happen but itd be good to hear how.

I wonder about net guns, tranquilizers, or in this instance, why not tasers?

It's not very often that we think along the same lines but I find myself asking these questions too. After looking at the footage of the incident, it seems to me quite inaccurate to describe the poor fool who died as "threatening" or "menacing" or presenting a clear and present danger to anyone but himself. While the deceased wasn't backing down he most certainly didn't appear to be threatening or aggressive to me.

There seemed to be a number of police present. If two or more police are incapable of subduing a single person without resorting to lethal firepower, what does this tell us about their competence, or their (lack of appropriate) training? Were the police armed with tasers or other non-lethal weapons? If so, why didn't they use tasers to subdue the person? If not why not? Are they trained in non-lethal methods of subduing people? And if not, why not?

I get the impression that in situations like this, the police use lethal firepower as the first rather than the last option. Do others find it odd that police depts are equipped with armoured personnel carriers and other military equipment but don't appear to be equipped with non-lethal means of keeping the peace and enforcing the law in situations like this?

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 6:00:35 AM   
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In China there was a terrible knife attack at a preschool, and now all of the police are equipped with riot shields and a tool I don't know the name of... like a pole with a sort of rounded fork at the end so it is possible to hold someone at a distance. I can't imagine a simple steel pole or even a riot shield being more expensive than a gun.

I don't know why they are ONLY equipped with weapons designed for lethal force.
True the call said he might have been carrying a gun, but still...

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:19:02 AM   
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The campus confirmed that campus cops don't have tasers. I suspect budgetary problems.


don't know how much the things cost, but boy that would be a bad excuse. in many areas, campuses are awash with money and so its a matter of resource allocation.

there's debates, or at least there used to be, as to whether or not campus police should be armed.

Tasers cost about as much as firearms. It isn't how much the school had, but how much they allocated
to the police. I suspect that the campus police budget was not a priority.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:20:53 AM   
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You care about nothing but yourself.


Well yeah, pointing out how low-wage workers are robbed every day and how low-income home owners were robbed by financial industry fraud, and putting in the academic effort and research to do it, means I only care about myself.

Whereas semi-literate fat fucks like you sit on the couch and vote for the asswipes responsible for all this.




You can't get anything right can you?

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:22:17 AM   
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Georgia Tech Student Scout Shultz was shoot and killed by campus police but I guess it is ok
since he was white.

www.thecount.com/2017/09/17/scout-schultz-shooting-video-georgia-tech...

What? A "gender-fluid" attention whore has mental issues? What are the odds!??!?!?!


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:24:11 AM   
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You were the one who brought up the subject of danger to the general public, not me.

Some of us consider stealing houses and equity and trashing the indexes and ruining retirement accounts to be a menace to society, to the general public, and I don't care if you are too stupid to see it or not.
Ah, the old "I don't have an actual argument worthy of the name, so I'm going to change the subject to something completely unrelated" tactic. Yes, that DOES mean you just lost.

Too bad, so sad.

NEXT!


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:24:51 AM   
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Georgia Tech Student Scout Shultz was shoot and killed by campus police but I guess it is ok
since he was white.

www.thecount.com/2017/09/17/scout-schultz-shooting-video-georgia-tech...

What? A "gender-fluid" attention whore has mental issues? What are the odds!??!?!?!


Don't you know that statement makes you homophobic? (sarcasm font off)

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:26:03 AM   
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my assertion is at times, one can insert "subdue weapon wielding man via non-lethal means" into step #6.
And that statement demonstrates clearly that you have no idea what you're fucking talking about.

Christ, you people are fucking morons.


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:33:49 AM   
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Transgender student took a "few steps" towards cops with a knife, that is a long way from charging, also--student had a knife only.
Why shoot to kill?

CNN- protests held over GA Tech shooting
He fucking called the cops on himself, the little fucking cunt.

Basically he wanted to suicide by cop. What a fucking cunt. Most liberal fuckwits here won't know what happens psychologically when they kill someone with a firearm. There's a whole raft of consequences for the individual just doing his duty. And now someone poor officer has to suffer through that because this gender-fluid nutcase wanted attention when he died.


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:35:24 AM   
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Georgia Tech Student Scout Shultz was shoot and killed by campus police but I guess it is ok
since he was white.

www.thecount.com/2017/09/17/scout-schultz-shooting-video-georgia-tech...

What? A "gender-fluid" attention whore has mental issues? What are the odds!??!?!?!


Don't you know that statement makes you homophobic? (sarcasm font off)
I don't have a problem with gay people at all. I just think the gender-fluid crowd are a bunch of fucking attention-whores and the trans folks are mentally ill. (Science pretty much backs me up on that one).


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:40:42 AM   
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Transgender student took a "few steps" towards cops with a knife, that is a long way from charging, also--student had a knife only.
Why shoot to kill?

CNN- protests held over GA Tech shooting
He fucking called the cops on himself, the little fucking cunt.

Basically he wanted to suicide by cop. What a fucking cunt. Most liberal fuckwits here won't know what happens psychologically when they kill someone with a firearm. There's a whole raft of consequences for the individual just doing his duty. And now someone poor officer has to suffer through that because this gender-fluid nutcase wanted attention when he died.


I never heard he called the cops.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:42:25 AM   
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Georgia Tech Student Scout Shultz was shoot and killed by campus police but I guess it is ok
since he was white.

www.thecount.com/2017/09/17/scout-schultz-shooting-video-georgia-tech...

What? A "gender-fluid" attention whore has mental issues? What are the odds!??!?!?!


Don't you know that statement makes you homophobic? (sarcasm font off)
I don't have a problem with gay people at all. I just think the gender-fluid crowd are a bunch of fucking attention-whores and the trans folks are mentally ill. (Science pretty much backs me up on that one).


Note sarcasm font off.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 8:45:42 AM   
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Transgender student took a "few steps" towards cops with a knife, that is a long way from charging, also--student had a knife only.
Why shoot to kill?

CNN- protests held over GA Tech shooting
He fucking called the cops on himself, the little fucking cunt.

Basically he wanted to suicide by cop. What a fucking cunt. Most liberal fuckwits here won't know what happens psychologically when they kill someone with a firearm. There's a whole raft of consequences for the individual just doing his duty. And now someone poor officer has to suffer through that because this gender-fluid nutcase wanted attention when he died.


Yes, get angry at irrational liberals over a strawman argument you're making in a thread where the right-wing OP is complaining that this is 'okay because he was white'.


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 5:48:25 PM   
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Transgender student took a "few steps" towards cops with a knife, that is a long way from charging, also--student had a knife only.
Why shoot to kill?

CNN- protests held over GA Tech shooting
He fucking called the cops on himself, the little fucking cunt.

Basically he wanted to suicide by cop. What a fucking cunt. Most liberal fuckwits here won't know what happens psychologically when they kill someone with a firearm. There's a whole raft of consequences for the individual just doing his duty. And now someone poor officer has to suffer through that because this gender-fluid nutcase wanted attention when he died.


Yes, get angry at irrational liberals over a strawman argument you're making in a thread where the right-wing OP is complaining that this is 'okay because he was white'.


It's no strawman - he left 3 suicide notes and has been positively identified as the person who called the cops in the first place.

What BamaD is missing is that it's not because he's white that this has attention - it's because he was an identified gender-fluid "they/them" pronoun fucking nutcase. So, of course, his death is a tragedy - whereas the death of a white heterosexual male isn't.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 5:55:39 PM   
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Transgender student took a "few steps" towards cops with a knife, that is a long way from charging, also--student had a knife only.
Why shoot to kill?

CNN- protests held over GA Tech shooting
He fucking called the cops on himself, the little fucking cunt.

Basically he wanted to suicide by cop. What a fucking cunt. Most liberal fuckwits here won't know what happens psychologically when they kill someone with a firearm. There's a whole raft of consequences for the individual just doing his duty. And now someone poor officer has to suffer through that because this gender-fluid nutcase wanted attention when he died.


Yes, get angry at irrational liberals over a strawman argument you're making in a thread where the right-wing OP is complaining that this is 'okay because he was white'.


It's no strawman - he left 3 suicide notes and has been positively identified as the person who called the cops in the first place.

What BamaD is missing is that it's not because he's white that this has attention - it's because he was an identified gender-fluid "they/them" pronoun fucking nutcase. So, of course, his death is a tragedy - whereas the death of a white heterosexual male isn't.

If he had been a straight white male we wouldn't have known it happened.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 6:37:24 PM   
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my assertion is at times, one can insert "subdue weapon wielding man via non-lethal means" into step #6.
And that statement demonstrates clearly that you have no idea what you're fucking talking about.

Christ, you people are fucking morons.



how about cool your hostility jets for a moment and actually think about what I wrote or do you want to hold to your apparent position that all people holding weapons should be shot by the police when they don't drop their weapon upon command?

i'll go so far as to say the same even when the suspect takes "a few steps" towards the police.


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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 6:59:34 PM   
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In China there was a terrible knife attack at a preschool, and now all of the police are equipped with riot shields and a tool I don't know the name of... like a pole with a sort of rounded fork at the end so it is possible to hold someone at a distance. I can't imagine a simple steel pole or even a riot shield being more expensive than a gun.

I don't know why they are ONLY equipped with weapons designed for lethal force.
True the call said he might have been carrying a gun, but still...


In China the odds that the local police will be opposed by someone with a handgun or rifle are extremely low.
Here in the US police have a pretty good chance of facing a well-armed opponent with lethal weapons.
Contributors to these forums who are not from the US are not likely to understand unless they are from Somalia or Mexico or Syria, etc.
Police everywhere use force/weapons that are appropriate to their opposition.
Also, over the years I have observed that police in general are likely to be more trigger happy when they feel they are not getting public/media support.
If the media and some of the public weren't always trying to portray them as armed lunatics, they might be less on edge in confrontational situations and look for less lethal solutions.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 7:03:11 PM   
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"Less-Lethal Weapon Options; Here's a reminder of the alternatives available when a situation doesn't warrant deadly force."

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Though using deadly force is justified under the right set of conditions, saving a life is the top priority for any law enforcement agency. The concept of using a less-lethal weapon to meet this goal is not new in law enforcement and probably started in the mid-19th century with the first issued wooden club or baton.

However, the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Tennessee v. Garner (1985) brought about a change in philosophy that moved agencies closer to accepting the less-lethal weapon as an everyday tool. Agencies started looking for options that incorporated distraction, disorientation, and incapacitating effects that could keep officers at a safe distance, still allow them to do their jobs, and allow capture of a suspect without using deadly force.

At present, less-lethal weapons are a fact of life. It's hard to find an agency that doesn't use at least one in one form or another. For example, Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) sprays are so commonplace that no one usually questions their use. With technology advances being what they are, there are more options today than ever before. Let's look at some of the available technologies and how they make a difference.

Light As a Less-Lethal Weapon

Intense beams of light and flashing strobes have been used to distract and disorient people for years. It's no secret that flashing a bright light into someone's face will temporarily disorient them. However, old school practices were more about using a light to help you move or search than anything else.

The new school of thought is to use light as a less-lethal weapon. The light is used to confuse, disable, and dominate your suspect. Powerful small flashlights that can be carried on your belt and produce 200 lumens or more (along with a built in strobe capability) are now used in room clearing to search out, make contact with, and control a suspect. I have participated in training where the suspect knew a contact team was coming. The suspect could see the flashing light approaching, but could never determine its origin or where the officer was. Before he could act, it was over. The confusion created is like something out of a science fiction movie because the suspect never sees where you are; he can only guess where you've been. If he looks into the light, it's so bright that he has to turn away.

My agency was fortunate to have Ken Good, former Navy Seal and an innovator in this field, conduct training for us a few years back. He told us, "You must learn to use light as a tool to paint a false picture or to overwhelm your opponent's senses." It's something to explore if your agency doesn't use the technique already. You can find various schools of thought on the subject under the category of low-light training.

Chemical Agents

The most widespread less-lethal weapons are chemical agents dispersed in aerosol form. The three most widely used are CS, OC, or a combination of both. Regardless of what type you use, the effects are about the same; the suspect feels pain, burning, and irritation of exposed mucous membranes and skin. Some agents target the eyes to compromise vision. Others target the suspect's mouth, nose, and throat in order to adversely affect breathing.

It has been my experience that a combination of CS and OC in a water base is the most effective agent to use. The CS affects the suspect's breathing while the OC burns and shuts down vision. The water base helps with faster decontamination and any fears associated with conducted electrical weapons.

It's a good idea to understand the effects of the agent you use. You should find the right balance that will help shut down a suspect's resistance but one that won't incapacitate him or her for more than 15 to 20 minutes. Anything longer than that, you are being counterproductive. You also have to consider transfer effects when handling the suspect, so you don't want to use anything that will affect you for very long either.

When using any type of chemical agent, you have to watch for adverse reactions to the suspect and have medical assistance nearby. Another consideration is the booking process at a correctional facility. In my area, they will not take a suspect that's been sprayed until he or she has been medically cleared. It's a good idea to work things out with your correctional facilities so that clearance can be obtained in the field by paramedics rather than you having to go see an emergency room doctor. The use of chemical agents has declined with the advent of Conducted Electrical Weapons (CEW), such as those from TASER International.

Conducted Electrical Weapons

The most recent data I can find estimated that there are more than 11,000 agencies that use Conducted Electrical Weapons (CEWs). CEWs work by sending electronic pulses throughout the body that interfere with the communication between the brain and the muscles. They overwhelm the normal communication network, causing involuntary muscle contractions and impairment of motor function. I dare to say it's the most popular option at the patrol level second only to some type of OC spray. It's an effective tool in the right hands within 15 feet from a suspect. The problem I have with CEWs is not found in their effect but in their overuse.

Critics of the weapon, like Amnesty International, are quick to point out that in the United States there have been 500 documented deaths after a CEW was deployed. Though most deaths can be explained away due to other factors, some feel CEWs should be limited in their use to violent unarmed resistance.

I feel a CEW can become a crutch when an officer lacks skills. CEWs are not infallible; they do malfunction and suspects have been known to defeat them. Statistics reveal that they are only successful approximately 60% of the time. An officer still needs to train in combatives and hands-on controlling techniques.

It's my opinion that over confidence in the CEW has led to a false sense of security among certain officers and created an officer safety issue. No device will ever completely remove the need to go hands on, as suspects have a tendency not to handcuff themselves. The use of CEWs remains a controversial topic and will continue to spur debate as its popularity among agencies continues to rise.

Projectile Weapons

Another long standing group of less-lethal weapons are those that fire some type of blunt force round. The round is designed to cause pain but not penetrate the skin. It transfers and disperses its kinetic energy into its target. The most common rounds are those fired from a shotgun. The projectiles themselves come in a bean-bag form or fire some type of rubberized bullet. The main problem with the bean-bag type is range and accuracy. The problem with both is that they can also cause great bodily harm or death if they strike in the wrong place. Though these rounds cause pain, they may not incapacitate right away. You have to be ready to move in quickly and take advantage of the opportunity they create.

Next we have specific launchers designed to fire a host of specialty rounds including chemical agents. The most widely used models fire rounds in the 37mm to 40mm range. To give you a sense of scale, a shotgun round is in the 18mm range. These launchers are either single or multiple shot weapons. I am most familiar with a multiple shot 40mm launcher and have deployed it many times as a supervisor. Each time it was deployed, the suspect either became incapacitated or gave up shortly thereafter because he didn't want to get hit again.

My suggestion to any agency looking for some type of launcher would be to focus on a multiple-shot version, as follow-up shots are easier to make. Manufacturers offer a short range and long range round so one has to make sure the operator is dialed in to the right range. As with anything to do with high liability areas, training and practice are key components of any weapons system.

Launchable Pepper Projectiles

It was just a matter of time before someone realized that paint ball carbines and pistols could have an application in law enforcement. It was in the late 1990s that they popped up on the radar. Instead of shooting paint balls, they shoot a type of OC pepper-spray pellet instead. Such projectiles contain pepper powder in hard frangible spheres that have a wide operating temperature range and can be deployed with specialized launchers. In contrast, paintballs are made from soft gelatin material and are highly sensitive to changes in temperature.

Most agencies use pepper-spray pellets for crowd control, but they can also be used for controlling uncooperative or violent suspects. The impact of the pepper-spray pellets produces pain, and the subsequent release of the encased powder form of OC has effects similar to those of any other use of OC.

Because of their range, pepper-spray pellet projectiles provide a great way to target one person in the crowd or to gain control of someone who is resisting. Examples of people resisting include someone trying to commit suicide by cop or a mentally ill person making threats with a knife. The effective range for a point target is 60 feet and for an area target is 150 feet. The pepper-spray pellet concept has made its way into shotgun munitions as well.

Certain Risks

The whole less-lethal concept is flawed in the sense that there is no right way to describe it. "Less-lethal" does not mean "not lethal," as any less-lethal weapon has the potential to be deadly. Even a strobe light can cause someone with epilepsy to have a seizure and then fall and hit his or her head and die. In December 2012, TASER released this statement:

"TASER has changed the generic term describing our handheld products from Electronic Control Device (ECD) to Conducted Electrical Weapon (CEW). We feel Conducted Electrical Weapon is more descriptive of our products and is becoming a more commonly used term. This term also clearly describes these products as weapons that, like all weapons, carry certain risks and need to be handled and operated appropriately."

In the company's statement, "carry certain risks" is the key phrase. What makes less-lethal weapons defendable is their intended use. The purpose is to distract, disorient, and incapacitate, thereby allowing for the officer to successfully control and capture the suspect with little to no injury to both.

Using less-lethal weapons is a viable option but no one should think they are the panacea in use-of-force circumstances. You always need to be prepared to get down and dirty. You also need to keep in mind that unintended injury or death can occur even under the best of conditions.


of course, the cop who wrote this doesn't "know what he is fucking talking about"

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Amaury Murgado is a special operations lieutenant with the Osceola County (Fla.) Sheriff's Office. He is a retired Master Sergeant from the Army Reserve, has over 25 years of law enforcement experience, and has been a lifelong student of martial arts.


http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2013/03/less-lethal-weapon-options.aspx

I wonder about a pair of attack dogs as well.

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RE: Geogia Tech Student. - 9/19/2017 7:16:41 PM   
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another cop who doesn't "know what he's fucking talking about."

Nonlethal weapons: Early use means fewer deaths and injuries

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...Going back an entire generation, on January 3, 1979, an emotionally distraught woman was shot and killed when she attacked two Los Angeles Police Department officers with an eleven-inch butcher knife. The officers shot her after repeated verbal efforts and the use of a police baton failed to control the situation.

In the wake of that incident, the Los Angeles Board of Police Commissioners directed "continued research into the use of intermediate weapons and/or control devices which have the potential to significantly reduce reliance upon deadly force."

On April 30, 1981, the LAPD adopted the TASER and chemical irritant sprays (CN and CS, in those pre-pepper days) as authorized nonlethal weapons. The enabling document, signed by the Chief of Police, stated the purpose of these devices:

“Consistent with the Department's philosophy of using the minimum amount of force necessary to control violent suspects, the Department has tested and approved the use of certain nonlethal control devices. It is anticipated that the use of these devices will result in fewer altercation-related injuries to officers and suspects.”

These days, cocaine and methamphetamines result in excited delirium and the same types of violent encounters as PCP, which is also in use. We also now know that schizophrenic people who are off their medication can also experience excited delirium.

Many police use-of-force situations are sudden close-contact situations requiring immediate, instinctive response.

Other situations begin as "standoff" situations (with time for planning and maneuvering) but change to immediate-response situations if:

1. the suspect increases resistance;

2. if officers approach the suspect without formulating a plan; or

3. if officers do not take aggressive actions to control the suspect before the standoff situation deteriorates.

Force may be used to make an arrest, prevent escape, or overcome resistance. Force may also be used to protect oneself or protect another, including preventing the suspect from harming him/herself.

Ideally, an officer adjusts the level of force in response to the changing levels of the suspect's resistance, all in an effort to quickly overcome that resistance in a manner calculated to minimize injuries to all parties.

Nonlethal weapons should be used to aggressively take control of a deteriorating tactical situation:

1. prior to impact weapons and deadly force becoming necessary; or

2. when it is unsafe for an officer to move to within contact range of the suspect; or

3. when attempts by officers to control the suspect by conventional means will likely result in serious injury to officers, suspects, or both.

Some see nonlethal weapons as shooting avoidance tools. The concept of using nonlethal weapons to reduce the number of shootings by police is grounded in the belief that, in some situations, nonlethal weapons could control a suspect early in the confrontation, before an unarmed but resisting suspect has the opportunity to become armed and attack the officer.

Also, a suspect who is armed with less than a firearm (for example, a knife, bottle, or club) could be "zapped" with a nonlethal weapon before the suspect could attack. Officers must use extreme caution in these situations.

Lethal-force back-up is a must. Nothing works all the time.

Time (sudden attack versus a standoff situation) and distance (between the officer and the suspect) are the crucial factors in determining whether nonlethal weapons are appropriate for the situation.

In standoff situations, nonlethal weapons should be used aggressively to bring the situation to a conclusion as quickly as possible, before the situation deteriorates into a confrontation requiring a greater level of force.

Officers are sometimes successful using nonlethal weapons in sudden-attack scenarios. There have been instances where standoff situations involving the use of knives and other weapons which appeared to be about to be used against officers, as well as a number of suicide threats, were brought to swift conclusion through early, aggressive use of the TASER, pepper spray, and beanbag shotguns.

Nonlethal weapons technology allows us to create policy, training, equipment, tactics, and review practices that will lead to better outcomes in many dangerous incidents.

The technology brings with it “a promise and a challenge.”

The “promise” is that police and political leaders who see the value of this approach and who successfully implement it, will experience fewer and less severe injuries among officers and subjects, fewer citizen complaints and lawsuits, fewer disability pensions, and an improved public image for the law enforcement agency that is seen as trying to do the right thing.

The “challenge” is to do it right. Next time, we’ll take a deeper look at nonlethal weapons policy issues.


https://www.policeone.com/less-lethal/articles/134658-Nonlethal-weapons-Early-use-means-fewer-deaths-and-injuries/

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