quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Greta said

quote:

I believe the US has these "Black Only University" thingy too now or is it called "Black College". That's the way. Just help yourself within your community, pool together your strength and rise up.

Black only schools, in Louisiana, were threatened with closing if they didn't desegregate. I was offered a full scholarship to go there, but my father wouldn't let me attend. He said it was too dangerous. I think whomever was pushing the desegregation issue backed off eventually. It was a long time ago, my memory is foggy.

Good, they stand their ground! I see nothing wrong with "black only" colleges or Universities.

I hope they work very hard on becoming leaders in education and produce amazing results.

And become worldly recognised as some of the top producing universities or colleges in the world.

This is how, they will stop being "looked down" upon, once they get international recognition for being brilliant in education. WITHOUT any white people's help. This will seriously make them look very good and become very respected around the world.

All it needs is one extremely good black college and they are set! It's really good especially for minorities who are seen as the "struggling" community to show the world what they can do.

Being "black only" will really show case their capability as what their race can do.

They have made it in the Sports industry, and the music industry. Next is education! Step by Step!

If white only schools are illegal so are black only schools.

So does that mean that the qualification from a spook college you donned blackface to gain shouldn't be recognised by anybody?

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I think there are several points that have yet to be addressed in this topic.

Though there may be cakes that are amazing displays, art is not as strictly bound to the local health codes as food is. There aren't any county inspectors with the ability to shut down an art gallery. Fire codes still apply to any business, of course.

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I think there are several points that have yet to be addressed in this topic.

Though there may be cakes that are amazing displays, art is not as strictly bound to the local health codes as food is. There aren't any county inspectors with the ability to shut down an art gallery. Fire codes still apply to any business, of course.

That is a silly point. A painter for example has to use paints approved by the health board.

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I think there are several points that have yet to be addressed in this topic.

Though there may be cakes that are amazing displays, art is not as strictly bound to the local health codes as food is. There aren't any county inspectors with the ability to shut down an art gallery. Fire codes still apply to any business, of course.

That is a silly point. A painter for example has to use paints approved by the health board.

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I think there are several points that have yet to be addressed in this topic.

Though there may be cakes that are amazing displays, art is not as strictly bound to the local health codes as food is. There aren't any county inspectors with the ability to shut down an art gallery. Fire codes still apply to any business, of course.

That is a silly point. A painter for example has to use paints approved by the health board.

Define how you're using 'painter'. Commercial or artistic?

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

And the historically black colleges thing is getting twisted as well, as so much does.

In the South, these colleges were established after the Civil War, often by Christian missionaries from Northern states (read: carpetbaggers). Most of these are run by the state, and subject to all federal desegregation laws.

It's not like Oprah opened up colleges around the country last year just for black folks.

Are HBCU's necessary or productive in healing the racial divides now? Impossible to say.

From wiki: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_black_colleges_and_universities
In 2004, the US Department of Education published a study of HBCUs that found that, as of 2001, HBCUs accounted for 13% of black higher education enrollment.[10]
In 2007, the Thurgood Marshall College Fund published a study of minority recruiting practices by Fortune 400 companies and by government agencies that found that 13% of the college graduates were recruited from HBCUs and 87% were recruited from non-HBCU schools.

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
So you're taking the line that a cake maker refusing to provide two homosexuals with a wedding cake proves that he's a proper artist, because artistry is defined by elitism and excluding people?
[;)]
(I do like a couple of Greta's photos, though.)

I bet if a cake shop refuse to bake a cake for nazis in a nazi theme wedding that praise Hitler and celebrate the genocide of jews. Barely anybody would defend them.
I think when it comes to emotional bias. People just react because they are sympathetic to gay people.
But you are dealing with a religion that believes being gay is an abomination. So if we were going to allow freedom of religion, and this is a non-essential item, why should they be force to bake a cake that celebrates something that goes against their religious beliefs?
It's like forcing a Muslim to make a Bacon Cake for my wedding. It's like going a Jewish Baker and asking the poor guy to make a cake with "Hail Hitler" in it!
Are we gonna convict the Muslim or the Jew for refusing those customers?
Come on! It's ridiculous! It's their right when it trespass their religious beliefs.
Plus for gawd's sake gay people! Don't go to a Christian Baker!

This is going to end up being about much more than cakes. And there are still Christian-owned bakeries willing to make gay wedding cakes, which makes it hard to believe it has anything to do with religion at all.

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
So you're taking the line that a cake maker refusing to provide two homosexuals with a wedding cake proves that he's a proper artist, because artistry is defined by elitism and excluding people?
[;)]
(I do like a couple of Greta's photos, though.)

I bet if a cake shop refuse to bake a cake for nazis in a nazi theme wedding that praise Hitler and celebrate the genocide of jews. Barely anybody would defend them.
I think when it comes to emotional bias. People just react because they are sympathetic to gay people.
But you are dealing with a religion that believes being gay is an abomination. So if we were going to allow freedom of religion, and this is a non-essential item, why should they be force to bake a cake that celebrates something that goes against their religious beliefs?
It's like forcing a Muslim to make a Bacon Cake for my wedding. It's like going a Jewish Baker and asking the poor guy to make a cake with "Hail Hitler" in it!
Are we gonna convict the Muslim or the Jew for refusing those customers?
Come on! It's ridiculous! It's their right when it trespass their religious beliefs.
Plus for gawd's sake gay people! Don't go to a Christian Baker!

This is going to end up being about much more than cakes. And there are still Christian-owned bakeries willing to make gay wedding cakes, which makes it hard to believe it has anything to do with religion at all.

Come one, JVoV. Not everyone worships the same way, or even to the same interpretation of the Bible. Just because one self-labeled Christian baker doesn't have a problem with baking a cake opposed to some Biblical interpretations, doesn't mean another self-labeled Christian baker will have a problem with the same. You could just as easily say the Christian baker that is willing to bake gay wedding cakes is choosing $$ over beliefs, and is committing idol worship.

FFS, some Christian denominations have no problem with performing homosexual marriages.

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Well that would mean you expect him to cling to his faith in all matters, instead of just the ones that suit him. This would be forthrightness, honesty, sincerity... Dare I say righteousness.

(Of course each of those is also an antonym of hypocrisy)