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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 7:51:44 AM   
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maniacal's meaningless hyperbole aside, I have always understood trump's saying "Obama wiretapped me" (or whatever it is he did say) as a broad phrase meaning "someone in the Obama administration is somehow listening in to either me OR mine."


His campaign was under surveillance, and Obama was at the top of the organization(s) that were doing the dirty work at our expense

Ignorant leftist trash like to deny it (they probably really are that stupid) but the president had better be in the loop if communications among the opposition political party are being intercepted by his appointees and underlings





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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 7:54:02 AM   
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That's just how evil Obama is -- even before he ran for president, he had his devious plan in plan to bring down the Trump Administration.


I thought you quit the forum... I was brimming with admiration in the wake of the announcement.



He's just an immature, brainless little howler like you

Never take anything he posts too seriously

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 8:07:44 AM   
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Like the Orange Ones twitter account? It’s not as if the lying fuck is speaking for America and the free world now is it. Isn’t he always trying to sack Comey, Mueller & Sessions on his shitter feed, well when he is not busy squealing to the Russians in person in the Oval Office etc

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 8:23:04 AM   
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Like the Orange Ones twitter account? It’s not as if the lying fuck is speaking for America and the free world now is it. Isn’t he always trying to sack Comey, Mueller & Sessions on his shitter feed, well when he is not busy squealing to the Russians in person in the Oval Office etc


Leftist trash really believe that deflection is the same as intelligent discussion or debate

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 8:38:00 AM   
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Like the Orange Ones twitter account? It’s not as if the lying fuck is speaking for America and the free world now is it. Isn’t he always trying to sack Comey, Mueller & Sessions on his shitter feed, well when he is not busy squealing to the Russians in person in the Oval Office etc


Leftist trash really believe that deflection is the same as intelligent discussion or debate



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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 8:57:54 AM   
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Like the Orange Ones twitter account? It’s not as if the lying fuck is speaking for America and the free world now is it. Isn’t he always trying to sack Comey, Mueller & Sessions on his shitter feed, well when he is not busy squealing to the Russians in person in the Oval Office etc


Leftist trash really believe that deflection is the same as intelligent discussion or debate

if you didnt have misinformation, you would have nothing at all. manafort is NOT trump

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 8:59:10 AM   
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Leftist trash is Trump trying to deflect and sack, usually via twitter and boasting to it directly to the Russians in the oval office meets and other meetings and calls:
1. Comey (he got that one)
2. Mueller ( I believe he will get that one too). It will be his last throw of the dice.
3. Sessions (trying to hound out one of his very first supporters)
The one common elemental here is Trump. No idea why you defend that one. I would understand you defending Pence.

One day he runs (by proxy) adverts against his own senators, the next day he is cuddling the snowflake hysterical Dems.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 9:12:37 AM   
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That's just how evil Obama is -- even before he ran for president, he had his devious plan in plan to bring down the Trump Administration.


I thought you quit the forum... I was brimming with admiration in the wake of the announcement.



He's just an immature, brainless little howler like you

Never take anything he posts too seriously


now that's coming from the right-handed fence post he's not smarter than....

mostly whine, no substance, all stupid rump shill. all the time.


as if u have engaged in ether intelligent discussion or debate or have a clue of what ether actually is,... and wouldn't know if it slapped him out of the way and bit rump's ass.




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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 9:24:05 AM   
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Despite moronic troll howling, the facts remain:

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Did Obama Know about Comey’s Surveillance?

The media is less interested in Obama Administration wiretapping than in how Trump described it.




This week CNN is reporting more details on the Obama Administration’s 2016 surveillance of people connected to the presidential campaign of the party out of power. It seems that once President Obama’s appointee to run the FBI, James Comey, had secured authorization for wiretapping, the bureau continued its surveillance into 2017. CNN reports:

US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.

The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.

Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive.

This means the wiretapping was authorized more than ten months ago and perhaps more than a year ago. It was presumably a tough decision for a judge to issue a secret warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, enabling the administration to spy on someone connected with the presidential campaign of its political adversaries.

One would presumably only approve such an order if the request presented by the executive branch was highly compelling and likely to produce evidence that the subject of the wiretap was in fact working with Russia to disrupt U.S. elections. Roughly a year later, as the public still waits for such evidence, this column wonders how this judge is feeling now, especially now that CNN has reported that at least two of its three sources believe the resulting evidence is inconclusive.

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They swore it never happened.

Remember When James Clapper Categorically Denied Any Wiretap Against Trump Campaign?

Why in the world would the mainstream media continue to take James Clapper seriously?

In March the former Director of National Intelligence under President Barack Obama appeared on Meet the Press to respond to President Donald Trump‘s now-infamous tweets regarding a “wiretap” related to his campaign during the Obama Administration. Host Chuck Todd asked Clapper point-blank whether any wiretap had occurred:

But I will say that, for the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI, there was no such wiretap activity mounted against– the president elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign. I can’t speak for other Title Three authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity.

Clapper’s answer appeared unequivocal, but there was still a little wiggle room. So Todd, to his credit, drilled down and asked a very specific question about a very specific scenario:

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TODD: Yeah, I was just going to say, if the F.B.I., for instance, had a FISA court order of some sort for a surveillance, would that be information you would know or not know?

CLAPPER: Yes.

TODD: You would be told this?

CLAPPER: I would know that.

TODD: If there was a FISA court order–

CLAPPER: Yes.

TODD: –on something like this.

CLAPPER: Something like this, absolutely.

TODD: And at this point, you can’t confirm or deny whether that exists?

CLAPPER: I can deny it.


Now we learn that there was, in fact, a FISA court order and it came from the FBI and Clapper, in his own words, claimed he would have known about that. And he denied it, unequivocally. Maybe he forgot all about the FISA order wiretapping Paul Manafort while he was in direct contact with Trump in his campaign and after the election.

Clapper also “forgot” that the NSA had a data collection program of every single American citizen when he testified before the Senate Intelligence committee and denied its existence.

James Clapper, former DNI chief and now, favorite guest of media outlets looking to attack President Trump, either has a terrible, terrible memory, or he was kept in the dark about a FISA order that occurred on his watch, or he’s just a liar. Can’t think of any other options here, can you?

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 9:37:36 AM   
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the Paul Manafort defense? Tis not a good defense to argue because that one is definitely going down and not even Petrocelli is saving that one.








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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:00:54 AM   
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So here's what we know:

1. Obama travelled back in time to 2006 in order to start an investigation into Paul Manafort, bringing several FBI agents with him.
2. While in 2006, I can only assume he rigged the 2008 democratic primaries in his favor, and also altered his birth certificate in advance so there wouldn't be any surprises.
3. They likely engineered the selling of condos in Trump tower to the Russian mafia figures I've already mentioned, who are also probably agents of Hillary and Obama, due to the uranium deal.
4. Trump sold a ridiculously overpriced mansion to a Russian oligarch who bought the house during a severe recession in 2009 as a personal favor to Hillary, who was already planning her 2016 run.
5. Obama and Hillary allowed Trump to win the election so that the FBI would investigate him and his humiliation would be more severe.
6. Trump was right about everything... absolutely everything. He is the smartest, most competent, most well-respected president in the world and any evidence to the contrary is fake news/liberal propaganda.

Am I missing anything?

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:12:29 AM   
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That must mean President Obama is a Timelord.... oh no he wasn't born in the US...

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:16:12 AM   
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you mean timelords are mooooselambs?

gawd dont tell bosco that,

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:21:13 AM   
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If he was a mooooooselamb he was a terrible one.. eating pork and drinking alcohol

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:25:09 AM   
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Manafort isnt trump
Manafort isnt the campaign.


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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:31:12 AM   
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(Why do I always forget about the mafia and money laundering for them and the Russians)?
Didn’t the Russian Oligarch demolish that “over priced Mansion” thusly laundering double his loot.
The condos were also an overpriced money rinse and I expect they paid 3-20 times the going rate for those.
You forgot to add in Trump is as honest, and has told not one solitary lie, as they come, and he wants the world to pay their fair share by giving America all its loot. Like his tax returns and filthy money, when he is not busy drooling over his bitch wife Ivanka.



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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:31:56 AM   
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Manafort isnt trump
Manafort isnt the campaign.



Idiot hag, Manafort was the Trump campaign manager

"Wiretapping" him was "wiretapping" Trump and the Trump campaign.

Team Obozo denied it, so team Obozo is caught lying again (as if they have ever been honest about anything with anyone)



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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:34:59 AM   
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If he was a mooooooselamb he was a terrible one.. eating pork and drinking alcohol

The Timelords are not moslems, because Islam frowns upon cannibalism (Ace clearly vanished between the end of the OS and the shite telly film because Sylvester McCoy ate her), though An Unearthly Child does make it very clear that William Hartnell was an illegal immigrant.
(Mind you, so was Superman: I suppose these days they'd take him off Jonathan and Martha and send him back to the cloud of radioactive rubble that used to be Krypton...)

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:36:50 AM   
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LOL
he was manager for three months, he isnt the campaign, he was under surveillance before the election, and after.
That isnt the campaign, that is him.
YOu just dont comprehend it, you dont want to comprehend it.
It doesnt vindicate anyone.
no matter how shammity screams it, or how much judge nappy and unca newtie wet their underoos
and you are none of those three, you just suck up drool from their pools of puke.




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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:37:40 AM   
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So when will charges be brought against Jim Comey for lying to congress

Former CIA Officer: On Wiretapping, Trump Was Right All Along

CNN, which had previously denounced President Donald Trump’s claims that he had been wiretapped at Trump Tower, reported late on Monday that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort was tapped by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Depending on the political inclinations of the journalists covering the story, the tale has been framed as either a vindication of Trump’s generally derided claims that Trump Tower was wiretapped by the Obama Administration or yet another bit of evidence demonstrating that Team Trump was in collusion to with the Russians to influence the results of the presidential election.

Insofar as can be determined given the lack of any corroboration coming from the government, the narrative surrounding Manafort goes something like this: Manafort, together with a number of other Washington based consultants, was a top adviser to former pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich between 2004 and 2014. His involvement somehow came to the attention of the FBI in 2014 and a secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant was sought by the Bureau and then issued to permit teltapping and other forms of investigation to determine if foreign lobbying laws had been broken. The initial inquiry was eventually allowed to lapse “for lack of evidence.”

A second warrant was obtained in the summer of 2016, presumably when Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager, based on apparently new information that had been obtained by the Bureau. Manafort was wiretapped, presumably to include his residence in Trump Tower, and the eavesdropping continued until early in 2017, after Donald Trump was inaugurated. Manafort reportedly spoke with Trump throughout that period though it is not clear whether the president-elect or president was personally recorded as a consequence of the tap.

Since the appointment of Robert Mueller as Russiagate special counsel in May, some of the ongoing investigation has again focused on Manafort, investigating whether his relationship with Ukraine violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), since he may have been acting on behalf of the government in Kiev, or regarding possible money laundering or tax irregularities. The principal focus, however, has been on the possibility that Manafort actively colluded with the Russian government to influence the U.S. election. To that end, Manafort has been questioned by a Grand Jury and has had his home in Alexandria raided by FBI agents in the early morning of July 26th, while he and his family were sleeping. The lock on the door to his house was picked to enable entry. His computer drives were copied, hard files were taken and even his suits were photographed to provide evidence that his attire was “expensive.” Prosecutors subsequently told Manafort that they were planning to indict him.


So based on what has been reported as well as on available evidence, you can select the “meaning” of the Manafort affair. Either Donald Trump is vindicated or Team Trump was acting in collusion with the Russians. Those who are more cautious might well be inclined to hedge their bets, positing that both interpretations are partially correct, that Trump Tower might not have been the actual target and that Manafort possibly behaved indiscreetly and might have violated FARA, but he would never have attempted to interfere with the election. So everyone would be somewhat wrong and somewhat right.

Parsing what might or might not have been is interesting but we will never know the truth until the federal government feels free to reveal more evidence regarding what triggered the two FBI inquiries in the first place. And the analysis at this point is missing some important considerations. First of all, someone in the Obama Administration had to make the extremely politically sensitive decision to secretly investigate the campaign manager of the Republican Party nominee when the surveillance was renewed in the summer of 2016. Ex-President Obama has denied that he did any such thing and a Justice Department investigation has asserted that there was no “evidence” of any Trump Tower surveillance. But sift through the lawyerly language, and it becomes clear that while Obama might not have personally approved the eavesdropping, someone in his White House surely did. And as for the Justice Department, evidence can easily be destroyed or erased or never recorded in the first place.

Second, it is being claimed that FISA warrants are only issued when there is significant probable cause that a crime has been committed, meaning that Manafort “must have done something,” but the fact is that nearly all FISA requests are approved and few of them result in actual prosecution. FISA warrants are also top secret and exposing them is a felony. The fact that details of FISA involvement with Manafort vis-à-vis Ukraine began to leak to the media shortly after the investigation was reopened in 2016 is suggestive, and it eventually forced Manafort to resign, embarrassing Trump. And the fact that stories damaging to Trump based on classified information are continuing to appear in the media is yet another indication that the war of the leaks against the current administration is continuing. As the leakers and other government officials cited in the media coverage are anonymous, conclusions drawn by allegations of guilt or innocence should be regarded with some skepticism.

Third and possibly most important, the Manafort case from start to finish demonstrates once again that the unitary executive concept that has prevailed in the White House since 2001 is alive and well. A White House team dedicated to getting its candidate elected can and will use all the mechanisms of power that are at hand to achieve that goal, including surveilling and digging up dirt on a political opponent. The possible misuse of the FBI and the FISA court is in some ways even worse that Richard Nixon’s Watergate as Nixon used mostly non-government resources to corrupt the process while the Manafort investigation has taken corruption up a notch, employing federal agencies acting in secret during a hotly contested electoral campaign.

Will anyone running for high office in the future want to be confronted by executive power acting secretly through the law enforcement and intelligence services to discredit him or her as well as a large and widening group of family and associates? It is a hostile winnowing process that many potentially good candidates would not want to endure. It is also manifestly an abuse of power. Some believe that Robert Mueller is conducting something like a fish hunt that is at its heart politically motivated. If that is so, it will ultimately become clear. Meanwhile Paul Manafort, who has fully cooperated with the multiple investigations being conducted around Russiagate, is innocent until proven guilty. So is Donald Trump.

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