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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:42:13 AM   
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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:42:31 AM   
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I find your arguments and debate compelling with the screaming hot jobbies you burnt out ringpiece.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:43:14 AM   
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Bump

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So when will charges be brought against Jim Comey for lying to congress

Former CIA Officer: On Wiretapping, Trump Was Right All Along

CNN, which had previously denounced President Donald Trump’s claims that he had been wiretapped at Trump Tower, reported late on Monday that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort was tapped by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Depending on the political inclinations of the journalists covering the story, the tale has been framed as either a vindication of Trump’s generally derided claims that Trump Tower was wiretapped by the Obama Administration or yet another bit of evidence demonstrating that Team Trump was in collusion to with the Russians to influence the results of the presidential election.

Insofar as can be determined given the lack of any corroboration coming from the government, the narrative surrounding Manafort goes something like this: Manafort, together with a number of other Washington based consultants, was a top adviser to former pro-Russian Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich between 2004 and 2014. His involvement somehow came to the attention of the FBI in 2014 and a secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant was sought by the Bureau and then issued to permit teltapping and other forms of investigation to determine if foreign lobbying laws had been broken. The initial inquiry was eventually allowed to lapse “for lack of evidence.”

A second warrant was obtained in the summer of 2016, presumably when Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager, based on apparently new information that had been obtained by the Bureau. Manafort was wiretapped, presumably to include his residence in Trump Tower, and the eavesdropping continued until early in 2017, after Donald Trump was inaugurated. Manafort reportedly spoke with Trump throughout that period though it is not clear whether the president-elect or president was personally recorded as a consequence of the tap.

Since the appointment of Robert Mueller as Russiagate special counsel in May, some of the ongoing investigation has again focused on Manafort, investigating whether his relationship with Ukraine violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), since he may have been acting on behalf of the government in Kiev, or regarding possible money laundering or tax irregularities. The principal focus, however, has been on the possibility that Manafort actively colluded with the Russian government to influence the U.S. election. To that end, Manafort has been questioned by a Grand Jury and has had his home in Alexandria raided by FBI agents in the early morning of July 26th, while he and his family were sleeping. The lock on the door to his house was picked to enable entry. His computer drives were copied, hard files were taken and even his suits were photographed to provide evidence that his attire was “expensive.” Prosecutors subsequently told Manafort that they were planning to indict him.


So based on what has been reported as well as on available evidence, you can select the “meaning” of the Manafort affair. Either Donald Trump is vindicated or Team Trump was acting in collusion with the Russians. Those who are more cautious might well be inclined to hedge their bets, positing that both interpretations are partially correct, that Trump Tower might not have been the actual target and that Manafort possibly behaved indiscreetly and might have violated FARA, but he would never have attempted to interfere with the election. So everyone would be somewhat wrong and somewhat right.

Parsing what might or might not have been is interesting but we will never know the truth until the federal government feels free to reveal more evidence regarding what triggered the two FBI inquiries in the first place. And the analysis at this point is missing some important considerations. First of all, someone in the Obama Administration had to make the extremely politically sensitive decision to secretly investigate the campaign manager of the Republican Party nominee when the surveillance was renewed in the summer of 2016. Ex-President Obama has denied that he did any such thing and a Justice Department investigation has asserted that there was no “evidence” of any Trump Tower surveillance. But sift through the lawyerly language, and it becomes clear that while Obama might not have personally approved the eavesdropping, someone in his White House surely did. And as for the Justice Department, evidence can easily be destroyed or erased or never recorded in the first place.

Second, it is being claimed that FISA warrants are only issued when there is significant probable cause that a crime has been committed, meaning that Manafort “must have done something,” but the fact is that nearly all FISA requests are approved and few of them result in actual prosecution. FISA warrants are also top secret and exposing them is a felony. The fact that details of FISA involvement with Manafort vis-à-vis Ukraine began to leak to the media shortly after the investigation was reopened in 2016 is suggestive, and it eventually forced Manafort to resign, embarrassing Trump. And the fact that stories damaging to Trump based on classified information are continuing to appear in the media is yet another indication that the war of the leaks against the current administration is continuing. As the leakers and other government officials cited in the media coverage are anonymous, conclusions drawn by allegations of guilt or innocence should be regarded with some skepticism.

Third and possibly most important, the Manafort case from start to finish demonstrates once again that the unitary executive concept that has prevailed in the White House since 2001 is alive and well. A White House team dedicated to getting its candidate elected can and will use all the mechanisms of power that are at hand to achieve that goal, including surveilling and digging up dirt on a political opponent. The possible misuse of the FBI and the FISA court is in some ways even worse that Richard Nixon’s Watergate as Nixon used mostly non-government resources to corrupt the process while the Manafort investigation has taken corruption up a notch, employing federal agencies acting in secret during a hotly contested electoral campaign.

Will anyone running for high office in the future want to be confronted by executive power acting secretly through the law enforcement and intelligence services to discredit him or her as well as a large and widening group of family and associates? It is a hostile winnowing process that many potentially good candidates would not want to endure. It is also manifestly an abuse of power. Some believe that Robert Mueller is conducting something like a fish hunt that is at its heart politically motivated. If that is so, it will ultimately become clear. Meanwhile Paul Manafort, who has fully cooperated with the multiple investigations being conducted around Russiagate, is innocent until proven guilty. So is Donald Trump.


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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:45:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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fake news about fake news, LMAO


I know leftist trash prefers swallowing the Amazon Post whole and without question, and that you abhor facts, reality and the truth

But not every post is meant for your consumption alone

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:47:59 AM   
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LOL its an opinion piece, and as such worth as much as yours.


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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:48:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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fake news about fake news, LMAO


I know leftist trash prefers swallowing the Amazon Post whole and without question, and that you abhor facts, reality and the truth

But not every post is meant for your consumption alone

Just out of interest, who on here has ever cited the Washington Post as a source about anything?
You should be able to find a few examples if the wannabe feudalist Bezos speaks for the whole of the left the way el presidente's former boss Murdoch does for the right, after all.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:51:10 AM   
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I do,
a) because its more honest than bosco is and b) I gain a certain amount of satisfaction watching him flailing around and shitting all over his own credibility.
And c) cos bosco can never prove his allegations.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:53:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

LOL its an opinion piece, and as such worth as much as yours.



I like a lot of the comments under the article

One off the top:

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So Nixon used a few 2nd rate criminals to bug the DNC office at the Watergate and Americas trust in government was shaken and the President had to resign.

Obama used multiple Federal agencies and a rubber stamp "secret court" to wiretap Trump, his building and all his associates and this is a "nothingburger" to Democrats, most Americans and their ilk today?....Seriously?


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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:54:43 AM   
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Anybody else besides Lucy, who's apparently only citing it to fuck with your pointy little head, Sanitary?

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:56:54 AM   
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Me too (Washing Post) - lot better than the flaccid orange shitters (twitters carnage of fuked up lies) leakage of runny stinky excrement.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 10:57:32 AM   
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FR

Two more of thje comments under the story:

So far,
Zero,
arrests,
indictments,
charges,
etc. etc. etc.

(In reply to that one)

Nothingburgers aren't very filling.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:03:07 AM   
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And has crooked Hillary someone or Handsome Obama been arrested yet? Consider that for a moment, in your mum’s basement bogey snotter, cuddling your orange balloon.
Do you fancy Trump Monster and flutter your eyes at the orange repulsion for I have oft wondered that of you syphilitic insanity

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:12:08 AM   
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FR

Two more of thje comments under the story:

So far,
Zero,
arrests,
indictments,
charges,


Shame you cant apply that to hillary, bill or obama

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:19:48 AM   
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/manaforts-ukrainian-blood-money-caused-qualms-hack-suggests-235473

Wow, Manafort's daughter really hates him.

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Andrea Manafort responded by referring to their father’s relationship with Trump as “The most dangerous friendship in America,” while in another exchange she called them “a perfect pair” of “power-hungry egomaniacs,” and asserted “the only reason my dad is doing this campaign is for sport. He likes the challenge. It's like an egomaniac's chess game. There's no money motivation.”
By contrast, the Manafort daughters and their mother seemed much more unsettled about Paul Manafort’s work as a political consultant for Yanukovych’s Russia-backed Party of Regions, which is a subject of renewed interest among investigators probing possible links between Trump’s campaign and Russia.
In one March 2015 exchange that appears to be between the two sisters, Andrea Manafort seems to suggest that their father bore some responsibility for the deaths of protesters at the hands of police loyal to Yanukovych during a monthslong uprising that started in late 2013.
“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”
In another hacked exchange a few months later with someone else, Andrea Manafort wrote that her father’s “work and payment in Ukraine is legally questionable.”
Paul Manafort in an interview defended his work in Ukraine as “open, transparent and focused on doing all that I could to promote policies that were pro-Western” and focused on “moving Ukraine into the [European Union].”
Manafort acknowledged that his daughter Andrea had been hacked and corroborated the authenticity of at least some of the texts between him and her, but declined to comment on most of them.

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:28:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/manaforts-ukrainian-blood-money-caused-qualms-hack-suggests-235473

Wow, Manafort's daughter really hates him.

quote:

Andrea Manafort responded by referring to their father’s relationship with Trump as “The most dangerous friendship in America,” while in another exchange she called them “a perfect pair” of “power-hungry egomaniacs,” and asserted “the only reason my dad is doing this campaign is for sport. He likes the challenge. It's like an egomaniac's chess game. There's no money motivation.”
By contrast, the Manafort daughters and their mother seemed much more unsettled about Paul Manafort’s work as a political consultant for Yanukovych’s Russia-backed Party of Regions, which is a subject of renewed interest among investigators probing possible links between Trump’s campaign and Russia.
In one March 2015 exchange that appears to be between the two sisters, Andrea Manafort seems to suggest that their father bore some responsibility for the deaths of protesters at the hands of police loyal to Yanukovych during a monthslong uprising that started in late 2013.
“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”
In another hacked exchange a few months later with someone else, Andrea Manafort wrote that her father’s “work and payment in Ukraine is legally questionable.”
Paul Manafort in an interview defended his work in Ukraine as “open, transparent and focused on doing all that I could to promote policies that were pro-Western” and focused on “moving Ukraine into the [European Union].”
Manafort acknowledged that his daughter Andrea had been hacked and corroborated the authenticity of at least some of the texts between him and her, but declined to comment on most of them.



So now leftist trash likes hacked communications...

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:30:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


FR

Two more of thje comments under the story:

So far,
Zero,
arrests,
indictments,
charges,


Shame you cant apply that to hillary, bill or obama


Apples to garbonzos

There was never a real investigation of Hillary's crimes, or of Obama's crimes

Especially not like the all-hands-on-deck witch hunt going on now against president Trump and his family and associates

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:33:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


FR

Two more of thje comments under the story:

So far,
Zero,
arrests,
indictments,
charges,


Shame you cant apply that to hillary, bill or obama


Apples to garbonzos

There was never a real investigation of Hillary's crimes, or of Obama's crimes

Especially not like the all-hands-on-deck witch hunt going on now against president Trump and his family and associates

snort, funny little man. lost and lying thru his dickhole.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4826106/mpage_1/tm.htm
started by yourself
7/24/2015

110 pages....of accusations and witch hunt bullshit.


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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:36:00 AM   
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Who beside insane leftist howlers can forget the infamous tarmac meeting

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:38:50 AM   
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LMAO sad sad sad

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RE: Manafort was wiretapped by Feds, will be indicted - 9/20/2017 11:46:17 AM   
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LMAO sad sad sad


Pointless meaningless stupid empty drivel, as always from you

The idiot fish avatar really suits you btw, excellent choice


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