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Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/21/2017 9:18:10 PM   
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Republicans claim that a $1.5 trillion tax cut over 10 years won’t further explode the deficit because it will pay for itself through increased economic growth. Empirical evidence over the last four decades establishes the lunacy of such a claim. The cumulative deficit tripled under President Ronald Reagan and doubled under George W. Bush, while it grew more slowly under Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, under whom some tax rates were increased.

And yet here they go again. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, then either the Republican Party is insane or it believes that the American people are incurably gullible.

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The Republican lawmakers, under mounting pressure to score a legislative win on taxes, say a tax cut of this magnitude will stimulate economic growth enough to offset any deficit impact.

Yet critics say a deficit-financed tax cut is at odds with longstanding Republican calls for fiscal discipline, including that tax cuts not add to the ballooning federal deficit. The federal debt topped $20 trillion earlier this month and is projected to grow by another $10 trillion over the next decade.

Passing a budget resolution is a crucial step for unlocking an arcane procedural tool that would allow Republicans to push a tax overhaul through the Senate with a simple majority and without the support of Democrats. Republicans have said they want a bill passed by the end of the year.

Republicans have been wary of sharing too many details given the intense lobbying crush that is expected once it becomes clear which industries stand to win or lose valuable provisions currently ingrained in the tax code. Those include things like the mortgage interest deduction and the deduction for charitable donations.

“The president and members of Congress have spent years warning of our large and growing national debt and have said their goal was to pursue tax reform that doesn't make that debt worse,” said Maya MacGuineas, president of the nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. “It is extremely disheartening that the Senate budget may be abandoning that commitment.”

The tax cuts, she added, “could result in debt as large as the economy in just over a decade and take us into uncharted waters after that.”

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The con game is the same as throughout the economy. This is unmitigated greed.


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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 7:38:53 AM   
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Republicans claim that a $1.5 trillion tax cut over 10 years won’t further explode the deficit because it will pay for itself through increased economic growth. Empirical evidence over the last four decades establishes the lunacy of such a claim. The cumulative deficit tripled under President Ronald Reagan and doubled under George W. Bush, while it grew more slowly under Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, under whom some tax rates were increased.


Did revenues go up or down after the Bush Tax Cuts?

I'll keep it simple: it's a spending problem.



How can you NOT see that our spending is sinking us?


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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 7:44:27 AM   
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The GOP correctly believes in the gullibility of the American people.

In good times: "We have to return the surplus to the American people."
In bad times: "We have to stimulate the economy."

But no matter what, tax cuts are always the answer.

And people believe them.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 7:45:34 AM   
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No, it's an expenditures exceeding revenue problem.

On my planet, we call it "math."

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 8:07:31 AM   
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No, it's an expenditures exceeding revenue problem.
On my planet, we call it "math."


And, what does your math say about revenues? Did they go up after the tax breaks?

And, yes, when expenditures exceed revenues, that's a problem. Why is it the only part of the equation anyone is serious about changing is the revenues? What that says is that they are perfectly okay with the level of spending. I disagree wholeheartedly. We have almost doubled expenditures since 2000. How can that be acceptable?!?


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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 8:44:22 AM   
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because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 8:48:32 AM   
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No, it's an expenditures exceeding revenue problem.
On my planet, we call it "math."


And, what does your math say about revenues? Did they go up after the tax breaks?

And, yes, when expenditures exceed revenues, that's a problem. Why is it the only part of the equation anyone is serious about changing is the revenues? What that says is that they are perfectly okay with the level of spending. I disagree wholeheartedly. We have almost doubled expenditures since 2000. How can that be acceptable?!?


You're making shit up. I didn't say anything of the sort.

YOU said it was one side of the equation only -- expenditures.


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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 8:49:59 AM   
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because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.

You also just make up shit.

And then whine people misrepresent YOUR views.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 8:50:42 AM   
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because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.

Who is the last president who decreased the size of government?

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 9:58:35 AM   
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No, it's an expenditures exceeding revenue problem.
On my planet, we call it "math."

And, what does your math say about revenues? Did they go up after the tax breaks?
And, yes, when expenditures exceed revenues, that's a problem. Why is it the only part of the equation anyone is serious about changing is the revenues? What that says is that they are perfectly okay with the level of spending. I disagree wholeheartedly. We have almost doubled expenditures since 2000. How can that be acceptable?!?

You're making shit up. I didn't say anything of the sort.
YOU said it was one side of the equation only -- expenditures.


I didn't make any shit up. Where did I say you said anything? Sounds like you're making this a tad bit personal.

And, the problem is on one side. It's the side no one in Washington seriously talks about: expenditures. Revenues are near or at record levels.



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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 10:07:07 AM   
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because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.

Who is the last president who decreased the size of government?


My guess would be Cyrus Griffin....


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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 10:07:33 AM   
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because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.


"making shit up"

Democrats Want Big Government Crony Socialism

Why do Democrats want big government?

The Democrats Want To 'Invest' Big In Big Government

Republicans vs. Democrats Views on Government Size

Democrats Answer to the Midterms: We Need a Bigger Government

the party of smaller government

After the Fiscal Cliff: What do Democrats Want? [hint: bigger government]

Do Democrats Favor Big Government? [hint: the answer is "yes"]

Why are Democrats Afraid of Limited Government

Government is Good - Why We Need More, Not Less, Government [pro democratic party]

should I go on??

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 10:25:45 AM   
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yes I think I will comrades:

"PRINCETON, NJ -- Seventy-two percent of Americans say big government is a greater threat to the U.S. in the future than is big business or big labor, a record high in the nearly 50-year history of this question."

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Republicans Especially Likely to See Big Government as Threat

Even though Americans have always viewed big government as the greatest threat, the degree to which they do so has varied. In recent decades, since the start of the Clinton administration, perceptions of big government as a threat have varied depending on the party of the president. Since Barack Obama took office in 2009, an average of 64% of Americans have named big government as the greatest threat. That is up from an average 56% during George W. Bush's administration from 2001-2008, but similar to the 65% average from 1993-2000 during the Clinton administration.

This pattern is largely driven by Republicans, who generally are more likely to be concerned about the size and power of government, and this concern is amplified when a Democrat is president. Democrats are more likely to see government as a threat when a Republican is in office; however, they tend to see government as less threatening than Republicans do, and their concern about big government topped out at 62% in 2005 under Bush.



Each party group currently rates big government as the greatest threat to the country, including a record-high 92% of Republicans and 71% of independents, as well as 56% of Democrats. Democrats are most likely of the partisan groups to name big business as the biggest threat, at 36%; relatively few Republicans, 4%, view big business as the most threatening…

In the future, Americans likely will continue to view big government as the greatest threat of the three, partly because of Republicans' reluctance to rely on government to solve problems…


http://news.gallup.com/poll/166535/record-high-say-big-government-greatest-threat.aspx

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 10:27:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.


"making shit up"

Democrats Want Big Government Crony Socialism

Why do Democrats want big government?

The Democrats Want To 'Invest' Big In Big Government

Republicans vs. Democrats Views on Government Size

Democrats Answer to the Midterms: We Need a Bigger Government

the party of smaller government

After the Fiscal Cliff: What do Democrats Want? [hint: bigger government]

Do Democrats Favor Big Government? [hint: the answer is "yes"]

Why are Democrats Afraid of Limited Government

Government is Good - Why We Need More, Not Less, Government [pro democratic party]

should I go on??

Opinion pieces and polls are great.

I repeat my question.
Who is the last president that decreased the size of government?

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 10:29:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

because remember to the comrades desi, more government is good.


"making shit up"

Democrats Want Big Government Crony Socialism

Why do Democrats want big government?

The Democrats Want To 'Invest' Big In Big Government

Republicans vs. Democrats Views on Government Size

Democrats Answer to the Midterms: We Need a Bigger Government

the party of smaller government

After the Fiscal Cliff: What do Democrats Want? [hint: bigger government]

Do Democrats Favor Big Government? [hint: the answer is "yes"]

Why are Democrats Afraid of Limited Government

Government is Good - Why We Need More, Not Less, Government [pro democratic party]

should I go on??

Opinion pieces and polls are great.

I repeat my question.
Who is the last president that decreased the size of government?

Do Carter's attempts to cut white house budgets by getting rid of all of the silly expensive crap Reagan mad a thing of reintroducing immediately he was voted in count? If not, he's probably still the last guy who made a serious attempt to cut military spending a bit.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 11:05:43 AM   
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We do need to cut spending. We can't afford to finance another war anytime soon.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 11:24:38 AM   
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Only here are people ridiculous enough to argue with deficit = revenue - expenditures.


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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 11:31:00 AM   
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The GOP borrow and spend plan doesn't help either.

Any independent analysis will tell you resolving structural deficit/debt means ALL of:

- raise taxes
- cut expenses
- cut military spending
- adjust SS
- adjust Medicaid/care

There is NO dem or rep calling for that -- it's all partisan pieces, and blaming the other party when it doesn't work, even though it never could have worked.

It will continue as long as:

- politicians are irresponsible
- voters are gullible and short-sighted
- people like you are blindly partisan

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 12:09:23 PM   
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Republicans claim that a $1.5 trillion tax cut over 10 years won’t further explode the deficit because it will pay for itself through increased economic growth. Empirical evidence over the last four decades establishes the lunacy of such a claim. The cumulative deficit tripled under President Ronald Reagan and doubled under George W. Bush, while it grew more slowly under Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, under whom some tax rates were increased.


Did revenues go up or down after the Bush Tax Cuts?

I'll keep it simple: it's a spending problem.



How can you NOT see that our spending is sinking us?


What's sinking us is the immoral tax code and the wealthy refusing to pay for govt. Oh they will gladly pay $13 billion for a $9 billion aircraft carrier to help protect their asses. They will gladly pay for the federal judiciary and law enforcement...to protect their asses.

Oh but don't even ask the capital gainers to pay the same rate at the top earners. Plus if spending is our problem, then why don't they go after their immoral sacred cows ? It's because they are far too financially and politically...sacred.

It's called greed. Oh ok we can come up with some other words like venal, voracious, immoral even. They all apply.

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RE: Brilliant repub tax strategy...greed again. - 9/22/2017 12:12:05 PM   
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No, it's an expenditures exceeding revenue problem.
On my planet, we call it "math."


And, what does your math say about revenues? Did they go up after the tax breaks?

And, yes, when expenditures exceed revenues, that's a problem. Why is it the only part of the equation anyone is serious about changing is the revenues? What that says is that they are perfectly okay with the level of spending. I disagree wholeheartedly. We have almost doubled expenditures since 2000. How can that be acceptable?!?


Obviously, revenues is not the only part of the problem. But repubs in congress must think we don't need what revenues govt. gets now. So let's CUT revenues. [sic]

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