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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 2:52:21 AM   
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And you haven't showed a fucking thing YET.

I can't be bothered to show anything when it's all just a google away.

You can google "German Elections" and ALL the reports are all about doom and gloom about AFD getting a foot hold into the parliament.

If this was a hard to find rare article, I might bother to post. You notice these days, if it's big breaking news. Everyone can google. I have no need to show link.

German Election results are world breaking news.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 3:07:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's like HillWilliam, you can deny whatever you want but Europe markets went down in response to "AFD" win.

That is another very telling that this result is not something to celebrate.

This is unlike Trump's election where markets went up in jubilee!

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 3:55:58 AM   
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It's like HillWilliam, you can deny whatever you want but Europe markets went down in response to "AFD" win.

That is another very telling that this result is not something to celebrate.

This is unlike Trump's election where markets went up in jubilee!


Markets bothered a fiddler's fart about the AfD - you still fail to realise that a 12% party in the midst of splitting has no particular influence in politics. Eurostox and DAX went up today while Nasdaq and Dow Jones down. If they cared about Sunday's election the breakup of the previous coalition bothered them but it took them only one day. Obviously PM May's speech in Florence was far more worrying when agency ratings for the UK dropped immediately afterwards.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 4:02:09 AM   
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It's like HillWilliam, you can deny whatever you want but Europe markets went down in response to "AFD" win.

That is another very telling that this result is not something to celebrate.

This is unlike Trump's election where markets went up in jubilee!

Due to your propensity for posting utter bullshit, when you don't post a link to support your assertions, we have no choice to assume it's more bullshit. I'm not your google slave. Post your own shit. I looked, remember, and the only thing I found was Mike Pence writing about the situation. Are you calling Pence a leftist?
Do you even know who the fuck he is?

As for your assertion that the markets went up in response to the Trump win, I call bullshit again. The markets CONTINUED a SIX YEAR TREND in the upward direction.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 5:07:54 AM   
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Once elected they tend to fall apart very quickly through infighting, unqualified candidates and disagreements over a variety of issues. They lose the public's trust as quickly as they gained it.

That is because they have been infiltrated by the minions of the people who rule the world and who do not mean them well. Only sanctioned parties who are controlled by them are condoned.


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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 7:12:34 AM   
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I told in another post some time ago I live just round the corner of an refugee home. Syrians and Eritreans. Neighbours I see almost every day - not any trouble then, not any now so far. The majority of them is, apparently, just ordinary people. Not scary. But of course your imaginations know everything better.
Well it's good that you can spot the terrorists by sight alone. Have the Federal Criminal Police Office contacted you yet? I'm sure they could do with an assist from someone with your mind-reading powers.


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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 7:26:17 AM   
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The markets CONTINUED a SIX YEAR TREND in the upward direction.

Yes but people were predicting a crash due to Trump's win, but it went up instead. Unexpectedly.

That Trump outrageous protectionism policies actually gave people more confidence in investing in the US, ironically.

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I looked, remember, and the only thing I found was Mike Pence writing about the situation.

Your google must be broken.
How the AfD Steamrolled the CDU and SPD
Angela Merkel's CDU suffers German state election setbacks
Angela Merkel's party beaten by rightwing populists in German elections
Merkel’s stumble in the German election has big implications for Europe
Merkel gets a fourth term but German voters deliver far-right surge
Far-right returns to German parliament for first time in 60 years as Angela Merkel wins 4th term
Big winner in German elections not Angela Merkel, but far-right, anti-immigrant movement
German election: A hollow victory for Angela Merkel
German election: Chastened Angela Merkel searches for coalition partners after election
Euro slides after Merkel's 'poor showing' in election

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 7:35:33 AM   
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Sorry Greta but my question was directed at blnymph, who has the great advantage of actually knowing what she is talking about.

But thank you for your reply anyway. As for its content, all I can say is either read a bit of history and learn what German Fascists are capable of or .... dream on.



and while you are at it greta keep in mind that wall street funded those fascists and yad le' scammer is still frantically looking for 1.5 million jews to make the 6 million myth twu, and meanwhile the european theocracy made it heresy to dare challenge the holocaust.

Wall Street and the rise of Hitler

blimpie preaches the european statist enforced religion, not facts

If truth were incorporated into gubmint the fucking system would collapse. Carlin



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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 7:39:44 AM   
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Once elected they tend to fall apart very quickly through infighting, unqualified candidates and disagreements over a variety of issues. They lose the public's trust as quickly as they gained it.

That is because they have been infiltrated by the minions of the people who rule the world and who do not mean them well. Only sanctioned parties who are controlled by them are condoned.




they have all these big ideas how to fix shit on the champaign trail and they are often on the right track and then they get into office and find out who all has their fingers in the pie and come to realize there aint shit they can do about anything.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 8:00:22 AM   
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The markets CONTINUED a SIX YEAR TREND in the upward direction.

Yes but people were predicting a crash due to Trump's win, but it went up instead. Unexpectedly.

That Trump outrageous protectionism policies actually gave people more confidence in investing in the US, ironically.

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I looked, remember, and the only thing I found was Mike Pence writing about the situation.

Your google must be broken.
How the AfD Steamrolled the CDU and SPD
Angela Merkel's CDU suffers German state election setbacks
Angela Merkel's party beaten by rightwing populists in German elections
Merkel’s stumble in the German election has big implications for Europe
Merkel gets a fourth term but German voters deliver far-right surge
Far-right returns to German parliament for first time in 60 years as Angela Merkel wins 4th term
Big winner in German elections not Angela Merkel, but far-right, anti-immigrant movement
German election: A hollow victory for Angela Merkel
German election: Chastened Angela Merkel searches for coalition partners after election
Euro slides after Merkel's 'poor showing' in election

"The situation" was the situation in Myanmar. Don't act stupid even if it does come naturally. You STILL haven't shown shit about that or refuted my comment about our stocks on a 6 year upswing.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 8:02:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think THIS is Precisely why Merkel is in big trouble:

Immediately after the release of exit polls, the deputy party leader of the Social Democrats (SPD), junior partners in a "grand coalition" with Ms Merkel's conservatives for the last four years, said her party would now go into opposition.

"For us, the grand coalition ends today," Manuela Schwesig told local media.

"For us it's clear that we'll go into opposition as demanded by the voter."

Without the SPD, MS Merkel's only straightforward path to a majority in Parliament would be a three-way tie-up with the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) and the Greens, known as a "Jamaica" coalition because the black, yellow and green colours of the three parties match the Jamaican flag.

Such an arrangement is untested at the national level in Germany and widely seen as inherently unstable.

German election: Angela Merkel hangs on to power but forced to form coalition after losing support to far-right

So if their old allies who is 2nd place will now join forces with AFD. Good luck on Merkel having to work with the other fourth and fifth place parties.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 8:05:14 AM   
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"The situation" was the situation in Myanmar. Don't act stupid even if it does come naturally. You STILL haven't shown shit about that or refuted my comment about our stocks on a 6 year upswing.

This is not the Myammar thread, and your initial post was bitching about the situation of Merkel being falsified by me.
So stop trying to bullshit your way out of just being so clueless on using Google to read about current events.

Please refer to your post http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5076797

About me lying about AFD being big winners and Merkel being a loser. The media are saying the same.

I am so not gonna dig up Myanmar situation as it's like gonna be longer on-going news than German elections is gonna be internationally as that is gonna be one long war.

And if you cannot operate google. Well, if you aren't interested in getting on google to read up about myanmar situation, stay out of the myanmar discussion.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 8:36:44 AM   
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I think THIS is Precisely why Merkel is in big trouble:

Immediately after the release of exit polls, the deputy party leader of the Social Democrats (SPD), junior partners in a "grand coalition" with Ms Merkel's conservatives for the last four years, said her party would now go into opposition.

"For us, the grand coalition ends today," Manuela Schwesig told local media.

"For us it's clear that we'll go into opposition as demanded by the voter."

Without the SPD, MS Merkel's only straightforward path to a majority in Parliament would be a three-way tie-up with the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) and the Greens, known as a "Jamaica" coalition because the black, yellow and green colours of the three parties match the Jamaican flag.

Such an arrangement is untested at the national level in Germany and widely seen as inherently unstable.

German election: Angela Merkel hangs on to power but forced to form coalition after losing support to far-right


So if their old allies who is 2nd place will now join forces with AFD. Good luck on Merkel having to work with the other fourth and fifth place parties.


I told you before what the coalition options for a Merkel government are. Obviously you have no clue what that means (btw neither has abc Australia; coalition governments are NORMAL here, usually with 2 parties - counting CDU/CSU as one, now, a bit more negotiating to do, with 3). It is not at all big trouble, but standard procedure after every election since 1948. Not necessarily unstable, just new.

Those parties opposing the ruling government do not necessarily cooperate. There is nothing like a "shadow" whatever. For the SPD and Linke it is next to impossible to cooperate with neofascists.

No other party will "join forces" with the AfD. In this respect they are, and will be, politically irrelevant for the next 4 years.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 9/26/2017 9:01:38 AM   
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"The situation" was the situation in Myanmar. Don't act stupid even if it does come naturally. You STILL haven't shown shit about that or refuted my comment about our stocks on a 6 year upswing.

This is not the Myammar thread, and your initial post was bitching about the situation of Merkel being falsified by me.
So stop trying to bullshit your way out of just being so clueless on using Google to read about current events.

Please refer to your post http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5076797

About me lying about AFD being big winners and Merkel being a loser. The media are saying the same.

I am so not gonna dig up Myanmar situation as it's like gonna be longer on-going news than German elections is gonna be internationally as that is gonna be one long war.

And if you cannot operate google. Well, if you aren't interested in getting on google to read up about myanmar situation, stay out of the myanmar discussion.

12% is NOT a big winner.

It's only relevant if they can find some serious allies.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 11/28/2017 11:58:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am gonna double down again that Far Right Wins Big in German Election!!!

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/far-might-become-germany-apos-164058423.html

Just weeks after becoming the first German far-right party to enter parliament in over half a century, Alternative for Germany could also soon become the country’s main opposition party.

It’s a scenario that most Germans and political parties had hoped to avoid, and one that initially seemed unlikely as Chancellor Angela Merkel pursued a coalition government with several smaller parties in the weeks following Germany’s September election.

But last week, Merkel’s coalition talks fell through, plunging Germany into a rare period of uncertainty. Rather than celebrating the emergence of the so-called “Jamaica coalition,” the chancellor was forced to change course and seek another “grand coalition” with the Social Democrats ― a deal that would leave the far-right AfD as the largest party outside of the ruling government.

It would be a huge symbolic victory for the AfD, and the new position would give it a major platform for its anti-Islam and anti-immigration policies. It would also boost the AfD’s populist narrative that it’s the only party in Germany that offers a real departure from the status quo.

“They really will be able to present themselves, not just in their own eyes but the eyes of the parliament, as the alternative to the government,” said Sheri Berman, a professor of politics at Barnard College.

That a far-right party would become Germany’s main opposition force would have been unthinkable just a few years ago, as the country has largely rejected far-right movements since World War II. But the rapid ascent of the AfD, which capitalized on growing hostility toward establishment parties and perceived threats to German identity from the refugee crisis, has marked a historic shift in the nation.

Some polls indicate that the party continues to gain support, despite political opposition, internal strife and several scandals.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German Elections - 11/29/2017 3:36:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since the elections hardly anybody talks about the AfD any more and apart from the loss of some of their leaders nothing was heard from them - not even any comments about the end of "Jamaica" negotiations. If they had the desire, or the ability, "to present themselves as an alternative" over the past weeks they have so far failed to do so in the most effective way possible.

There are still a few options to be negotiated, from a CDU-SPD coalition to a minority government, to new elections. So nothing for certain yet, and the AfD is as irrelevant as before.

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RE: Far Right Wins Big in German E lections - 11/29/2017 8:20:33 PM   
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Suddenly, they have some power of influence now on Merkel's policies.


Only in your dreams ...


Every single news media is saying that! Not just me. They are estimated to get about 88 seats which is still rather substantial to be able to throw in some weight.



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Your google must be broken.
How the AfD Steamrolled the CDU and SPD
Angela Merkel's CDU suffers German state election setbacks
Angela Merkel's party beaten by rightwing populists in German elections
Merkel’s stumble in the German election has big implications for Europe
Merkel gets a fourth term but German voters deliver far-right surge
Far-right returns to German parliament for first time in 60 years as Angela Merkel wins 4th term
Big winner in German elections not Angela Merkel, but far-right, anti-immigrant movement
German election: A hollow victory for Angela Merkel
German election: Chastened Angela Merkel searches for coalition partners after election
Euro slides after Merkel's 'poor showing' in election


Just one small problem Greta.

If you read them, those news stories do not support your thesis.

Taken together they highlight the fact that Merkel has presided over her party's worst election result for years and will face a challenge constructing a coalition, not just because of the AfD doing so well but because of the totality of the electoral arithmetic. It is indeed taking a while to set up a new coalition.

The stories all attest to the fact that the AfD have done well, which in journalist speak sometimes translates into calling them "winners". However the AfD haven't won anything in any overall sense. They have gained additional votes and therefore seats in the Bundestag so more accurately could be called "gainers".

The stories talking about Merkel being beaten by the far right refer to state elections, where Merkel's party was beaten in some of the constituencies by the AfD, not national elections. The Guardian article was factually correct but you had to read the whole article to understand that this was a left wing paper appalled by AfD gains, writing about the fine detail of the regional elections. The AfD had not in fact beaten Merkel's party in any overall sense.

Finally and most importantly, these articles do not suggest that the far right will have any influence in Merkel's government which was your central claim. The AfD will not enter government and will not be making German government policy.

The gains the AfD made in the national election, which you celebrate, have of course been big news across Europe given the horror with which most people in Europe view the far right. Furthermore most Europeans have come to regard Merkel and her government, for better or worse, as something stable which would continue on a predictable course. A new coalition may change things somewhat. There has therefore been some uncertainty but that is to be expected. The fact that governments in democratic countries change always prompts speculation and uncertainty. Merkel has just been in power for so long that many observers see such change as remarkable.

You have taken a central fact (that Merkel has had a relatively bad election and the far right have made gains) and then drawn your own conclusions from that. Many would disagree with your conclusions and your glee at far right gains.

Where you are just straightforwardly wrong is in your assertion that your ideas are supported by the broad sweep of the reporting of the German elections. Just reading the articles you have chosen to make your point (which I took the time to do) illustrates this.

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RE: Far Right Win s Big in German Elections - 11/29/2017 8:54:28 PM   
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Like EVERY SINGLE LEFTY WRITER writing about the Myanmar situation?

Seriously greta. stop posting utter BULLSHIT

Lefty Writer writes evil shit about Myammar because they want to protect Muslim.

Now Lefty Writer writes doom and gloom about Extreme Right Wing winning big in the Germany Elections because they are worried about their Muslims.

Totally inline with everything.

Recently, lefty writers are complaining that the Myammar people blocking them from bringing aid to the Rohingyas.

The reason is. The Myammar people are very angry that, when the Rohingya murdered and cause sufferings to the Myammar people, none of these aid groups give a shit! And the media reports zero on it.

Only when they finally fight back against the Rohingya did the whole world only side the Rohingyas. And completely ignored the plight of the people suffering under the Rohingya presence. They felt the world is bias and only wants to protect Muslims and they refuse to co-operate and be any part of allowing help to get to their attackers.

This whole Rohingya incident is gonna be like Palestinians and the Jews for a long long time.




As you said elsewhere, this is not a Myanmar thread but nevertheless you have taken the opportunity to make your expected anti-Muslim case. You cannot therefore complain about this posting.

It's not just "lefty writers", the appalling scale of the attempted genocide of Rohingya people cannot be dismissed as a "lefty" issue. The burning of whole villages, the killing of children in front of their parents, the rape and murder of women in front of their children and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people cannot be justified by reference to past acts.

No reasonable human being could portray these acts as proportionate in any way. No anger on the part of anyone in Myanmar justifies these inhuman acts.

Try to forget about your hatred of muslims and of the left, and just look at what is happening. This is inhuman and even comparing it to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is misunderstanding the full horror and cruel calculation involved in this brutalisation and terrorisation of the Rohingya people.

The sincerely held nature of your beliefs on this issue make them no less repugnant.

Off topic maybe, but you couldn't help yourself so neither will I.

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RE: Far Right Win s Big in German Elections - 11/29/2017 9:42:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Every single Myammar person I speak to in Singapore who is working or studying here is disgusted with the international media painting them as assholes when they have suffered under the Rohinyas violent presence in their country. ALL of them unanimously support their government actions as they do not want terrorists in their country that made them feel unsafe. In democracy. Majority citizens vote should be respected. This isn't ethic cleansing. It's either assimilate to the country's culture, and fit in, OR get out.

If the western media wants these terrorists, maybe they should be like Germany and take them in themselves instead.

And the other fact is, rohingyas belong to bangladash but bangladash don't want them back. India does not want them either, saying that they cause myammar so much trouble, they don't want to deal with the same shit in their country.

Rohinyas are now crying victims. But in Asia, end of the day, every Asian country just want productive people who contributes and not cause trouble.

If they aren't contributing in a positive way. They are out. Every single Asian country would have done the exact same thing.

You know, they go out and hurt other people's family and hurt their women. Now their own family and women gets hurt and they are crying about it, because left media who controls majority of the media world wide are only biasly sympathetic when Muslims are being persecuted.

Hell there was ZERO reporting about all the trouble Rohinyas were causing while it was going on and Myammar was dealing with it as my few Myammar colleagues say, Myammar put up with it for soooo many years and give them sooo many chances.

I think the whole Rohingya case is one of the most horrendous one sided report in mainstream media I have ever seen. Because we got alot of Myammar folks who work and study here. And you gotta hear it from their own citizens. What the real story is. And these Myammar people like their own government and love their country. And want positive things for their country.

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RE: Far Right Win s Big in German Elections - 11/29/2017 9:50:14 PM   
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Every single Myammar person I speak to in Singapore who is working or studying here is disgusted with the international media painting them as assholes when they have suffered under the Rohinyas violent presence in their country. ALL of them unanimously support their government actions as they do not want terrorists in their country. In democracy. Majority citizens vote should be respected. This isn't ethic cleansing.

If the western media wants these terrorists, maybe they should be like Germany and take them in themselves instead.

And the other fact is, rohingyas belong to bangladash but bangladash don't want them back. India does not want them either, saying that they cause myammar so much trouble, they don't want to deal with the same shit in their country.

Rohinyas are now crying victims. But in Asia, end of the day, every Asian country just want productive people who contributes and not cause trouble.

If they aren't contributing in a positive way. They are out. Every single Asian country would have done the exact same thing.


You've met some people who don't like their country being criticised for what their military are doing to the Rohingyas?

Thank's okay then - my bad.

Not going to even try to deal with the inaccuracies in what you have just said in a thread about German elections, but I wasn't going to leave a throw away comment about such abuses go unanswered.

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