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Made2Obey -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/28/2017 8:22:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse And lets not forget. Texas and Florida do come first. Only because I have family in Texas and Florida, and because it would have been impossible for me to get supplies to Puerto Rico on my own in any quantity to do much good. That's why I sent money there instead. I'm retired and on a fixed income. This is taking a pretty big hit out of my budget as is. I could fly a C-130 down there, but I sure couldn't afford to rent one and fill it up with supplies. I learned a long time ago to help by doing what you can, not what you can't. Otherwise you're just in the way.

Made2Obey -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/28/2017 8:33:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Family first. I think what you have done is great. An individual can only do so much. Thanks. Helping is something I learned from my dad. He was always the first to offer help after any such event.

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/28/2017 9:28:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 Top White House official lashes out at media coverage of Trump's Puerto Rico response quote: White House Homeland Security adviser Tom Bossert on Thursday defended the Trump administration's response to the devastation that Hurricane Maria has wrought on Puerto Rico, blaming media coverage for skewing perception. Speaking with reporters outside the White House, Bossert said the media was distorting the federal government's actions to respond to the hurricane, which made landfall last week and became the most powerful storm to hit the island in almost 90 years. "I understand the coverage, in some cases, is giving the appearance that we aren't moving fast enough," Bossert said. He reiterated that getting resources to the island — where 3.4 million people have been left without power, and water and food are scarce — was difficult, saying there's "an understandable degree of devastation on the island." "We are mobilizing and marshaling the resources of the United States of America in a way that is absolutely professional, fast, and adequate to meet the needs," Bossert said... For his part, Trump has dismissed questions about whether he was too preoccupied to focus on hurricane relief. "I've heard that before about was I preoccupied," Trump said. "Not at all. Not at all. I have plenty of time on my hands. All I do is work. And to be honest with you, that's an important function of working. It's called respect for our country." of course that's not nearly as much fun as bashing the president is it? If you were brighter, you would realize that Trump's staff is not Trump. They aren't going to wait for that lazy, spoiled child to turn into a real president before they take action. I'm 85% certain that Trump is cut off from almost all important decision making at this point... and just signs whatever they tell him he should sign. He's too fucking lazy and incompetent to offer any real input.

BoscoX -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/28/2017 10:20:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker If you were brighter, you would realize that Trump's staff is not Trump. They aren't going to wait for that lazy, spoiled child to turn into a real president before they take action. I'm 85% certain that Trump is cut off from almost all important decision making at this point... and just signs whatever they tell him he should sign. He's too fucking lazy and incompetent to offer any real input. You are literally living in a cartoonish fantasy world You are totally detached from reality at this point

tamaka -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/28/2017 10:24:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker If you were brighter, you would realize that Trump's staff is not Trump. They aren't going to wait for that lazy, spoiled child to turn into a real president before they take action. I'm 85% certain that Trump is cut off from almost all important decision making at this point... and just signs whatever they tell him he should sign. He's too fucking lazy and incompetent to offer any real input. You are literally living in a cartoonish fantasy world You are totally detached from reality at this point Yep... he definitely is manic. I'm pretty sure he is bipolar and off his meds.

heavyblinker -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/28/2017 10:34:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker If you were brighter, you would realize that Trump's staff is not Trump. They aren't going to wait for that lazy, spoiled child to turn into a real president before they take action. I'm 85% certain that Trump is cut off from almost all important decision making at this point... and just signs whatever they tell him he should sign. He's too fucking lazy and incompetent to offer any real input. You are literally living in a cartoonish fantasy world You are totally detached from reality at this point Oh right, all of this whining and bitching about the NFL while barely mentioning Puerto Rico is a 'brilliant strategy', right? Of course he is looking to divide and conquer everyone, but to be honest I think it's mostly about poor impulse control and inability to understand suffering, being a spoiled child and all.

PeonForHer -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 2:21:30 AM)
quote: I can't get to Puerto Rico, but I did send in a $1000 donation to a relief fund down there. What have you done? As I said previously: I'm not going to stick to your rules of argument. They're inane. I'll carry on criticising politicians who I think are lacking, regardless of whether or not I've actually been involved in dealing with a given issue myself Your personal efforts to help in the relief are of course very commendable. But the really major help that's needed in a disaster like this comes as a result of political action. Individual action can only go so far, as has been pointed out. In this case, political action was lacking with Trump - and he richly deserves the slating that he's so far received for it.

Made2Obey -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 5:22:50 AM)
So Trump made 20 Tweets about the NFL over a weekend. How long would that take? An hour out of 48? Does anyone really believe he did nothing the other 47 hrs? Just because he doesn't Tweet about something doesn't mean he isn't doing anything. Trump was never in the military, and his business experience is mostly in Real Estate, so he has no direct experience in disaster relief. With that as a given the smart move by him would be to just tell FEMA to handle it and then get out of their way. They are supposed to be the experts in such things. Trump himself is limited by law about how much money he can throw into disaster relief, as always, funding is up to Congress. If you have a beef with the way things are getting done you should more properly look to Congress. Finally, no one can distribute relief supplies if the airports are out, the docks aren't useable, and the roads are all obstructed. Puerto Rico itself has a certain responsibility to clean itself up enough for help to get in. It may take no more than for people down there to just get out and clear the fallen trees from the street in front of their house. My cousins and I had to cut trees out of their street before I could get in with my truck and trailer to begin fixing up their homes. As soon as we cleared the street help started showing up all over the neighborhood, some volunteers, many were contractors from other parts of the country. But there was nothing until we got some chainsaws out and cleared the road. I was very proud of the two five and six year olds who came out with hand saws to help us. Everyone pitching in is how it's done. Trump could have gone down there and had a great photo op of himself clearing streets or helping repair homes, but that's not his job. He has other responsibilities running the country. And yeah, that includes seeing to it that people don't disrespect national symbols like the flag and anthem. Finally, though I am sympathetic with those people in Puerto Rico , they all know that they live on an island subject to hurricane damage. Most of them should have been better prepared themselves. If you live in such a place then keeping enough food and water to last at least two weeks on your own is pretty much mandatory. I don't live in a hurricane zone at all, but at home I have enough supplies to survive at least 90 days in a disaster. If I lived on an island in the hurricane zone I'd have more.

MasterObsidiann -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 6:36:13 AM)
The world not you personally. After an earthquake shattered Haiti’s capital on Jan. 12, 2010, the U.S. military mobilized as if it were going to war. Before dawn the next morning, an Army unit was airborne, on its way to seize control of the main airport in Port-au-Prince. Within two days, the Pentagon had 8,000 American troops en route. Within two weeks, 33 U.S. military ships and 22,000 soldiers had arrived. More than 300 military helicopters buzzed overhead, delivering millions of pounds of food and water. By contrast, eight days after Hurricane Maria ripped across neighboring Puerto Rico, just 4,400 service members were participating in federal operations to assist the devastated island, an Army general told reporters Thursday. About 40 U.S. military helicopters were aiding in delivering food and water to the 3.4 million residents of the U.S. territory. No two disasters are alike. Each delivers customized violence that cannot be fully anticipated. But as criticism of the federal government’s initial response continued to mount Thursday, leaders of that humanitarian mission in Haiti said they were dismayed by the relative lack of urgency and military muscle in the initial federal response to Puerto Rico’s catastrophe. http://www.pressherald.com/2017/09/28/u-s-response-in-puerto-rico-fails-to-add-up/ From my perspective the response does not add up. "Texas & Florida are doing great but Puerto Rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure & massive debt, is in deep trouble," he tweeted to his 39 million followers. At the weekend:- President Trump did 5 tweets on Puerto Rico, 20 on his race wars and another few on: trashing John McCain, campaigning in Alabama “hopefully to a big crowd,” bitching about Obamacare a few times, lubing up Luther Strange, Iran, North Korea, 7 years of repeal and replace, making America safe (perhaps not Puerto Rico), NASCAR, Booing of those on their knees, big tax cuts and reforms, boasting about the “tremendous backlash” against the NFL, Peurto –“...owed to Wall Street and the banks which, sadly, must be dealt with. Food, water and medical are top priorities - and doing well,” more whining about J McCain (A true Hero). Is Puerto Rico President Trump’s Katrina?

Made2Obey -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 7:15:12 AM)
Not really a fair comparison. There weren't massive earthquakes in Florida and Texas to deal with at the same time as the quake in Haiti. The resources have to be divided in this case. It's an apples and oranges comparison. Haiti is within helicopter range of military bases in Florida, Puerto Rico is not. I can assure you that Texas and Florida are not "doing fine." Just better off than Puerto Rico simply because they are more accessible. If you're so concerned about PR, then why are you on a forum about it and not on a plane to go help out?

MasterObsidiann -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 7:38:03 AM)
I have witnessed one particular gutless response from you on here (did it make you feel good to type that)? The rest of your offerings have been no better than a pittance, which is more than Puerto Rico is getting. Can you even read? Trump said (not me) "Texas & Florida are doing great but Puerto Rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure & massive debt, is in deep trouble," he tweeted to his 39 million followers. "If you're so concerned about PR, then why are you on a forum about it and not on a plane to go help out?" One for Trump, then perhaps me [:D]

jlf1961 -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 8:19:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Made2Obey Besides, when you live in a hurricane zone there is an aspect of personal responsibility to either be prepared to survive at least a couple of weeks without help, or to evacuate when there is adequate warning as was the case here. Not saying those people don't need help, but they should have seen that they could provide for themselves for at least half a month. That's about how long it takes to get a real relief effort going. Survive a couple of weeks? You mean like when Katrina hit the gulf coast? And lets consider getting that much food and water stocked up before the hurricane hit, on an island where 60% of the food arrives by boat with a water system that is antiquated already. And lets look at evacuate, how the fuck are you supposed to evacuate the entire population of an island the size of Puerto Rico? that is 3.4 million people. Where the fuck are they supposed to go? Florida? Irma kind of took that one off the map.

Lucylastic -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 8:50:07 AM)
Irma hit Puerto rico on the 30th of august, Maria hit 9 days ago. How does anyone forecast 4 weeks of hurricane damage, let alone the cost of keeping gas, water, food for four weeks, medication, especially with it being a poor populace??the devastation is abysmal, and people are dying. Maria did more damage, but Trump had the power to make a difference., He made the decision NOT to waive the jones act until yesterday, He was the one that said the shipping people were against it. So they were more important than 3 million americans. Of course they were. This is your excuse? he doesnt have advisors? from the military? from Fema? he makes decisions without input.. Yes we see. Personal responsibility, LMAO

tamaka -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 10:00:01 AM)
FR I hope everyone remembers all of this when you want to cut military spending.

MasterObsidiann -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 10:02:53 AM)
The big people are talking so fuck off small person back to your rat bastard Hillary sewer. Boom times for military spending according to my Lord Trump.

tamaka -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/29/2017 10:09:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterObsidiann The big people are talking so fuck off small person back to your rat bastard Hillary sewer. Boom times for military spending according to my Lord Trump. Lol

vincentML -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/30/2017 12:42:14 PM)
quote: Trump said (not me) "Texas & Florida are doing great but Puerto Rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure & massive debt, is in deep trouble," he tweeted to his 39 million followers. "If you're so concerned about PR, then why are you on a forum about it and not on a plane to go help out?" One for Trump, then perhaps me Right, people are dying and one stupid fuck makes the issue about finances, the thin skinned arrogant Trump makes the issue about him on his tweet, and this other jerk thinks he has struck a knife to the throat by personalizing the issue. What a bunch of feeble, misguided, brainless jerks.

tamaka -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/30/2017 12:50:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterObsidiann Fuk of Hilary with a cock. I bet you have a wee cock and pretend you are women on here because you are not right? My Lord Trump past legislation to annul your lots perversion and I hope he takes away your lot right to vote. He is simply cool. Lol. Yep... you're wickedsdesire. ... again.

bounty44 -> RE: Trump's Response to Devastation in Puerto Rico: Wait, What?! (9/30/2017 1:02:00 PM)
so on top of whatever mental health issues he already has, he's got a sort of pathological addiction to the forum. he needs help on both accounts.

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