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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 3:48:18 PM   
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No, he had a room in the Mandalay hotel/casino, on the 32nd floor. So he was a spree killer with some idea of style since those rooms run $100 a night for a king room.


Why are all you guys saying 32nd floor AS IF that is very near to the crowd? If the crowd was on the ground and he is at 32nd storey, that's freaking far away! That's why I thought he sniped.


greta, the term sniping means firing from a concealed position on selected targets.

snipe
/snīp/shoot at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range.

This does not necessarily mean that the shooter is in an elevated position. The DC snipers that terrorized the Washington DC/ Arlington VA area fired from a parked mini van.

Hell, he could have been laying in an open field wearing a ghillie suit and it would still be sniping.

Might I suggest you look up the terms before using them?

However, from all accounts, the man was randomly shooting into the crowd, and from the 32nd floor across the street from the event, into a crowd does not require accuracy. it is just a matter of point and shoot.

In fact, in this instance, the crowd worked to his favor, he didnt really need to select a target and aim. In other words, his rounds were addressed "to whom it may concern."

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Why again are people allowed to own guns like this?

Or any guns at all?

This shooter was not in the military, if only the well regulated militia clause was enforced, this horrible shooting would not have occurred.





Two points to your question, as per the US Supreme Court and Federal law:

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


Item 2 is why semi automatic weapons are allowed in civilian hands, and, full auto and selective fire are allowed in civilian hands after the proper permits have been obtained from the US Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

However, select fire and full auto weapons are only allowed IF they have been manufactured prior to 1984.

So, if I had the $325,0000 to buy one of six 7.7 mm miniguns (belt fed machine gun with a rate of fire of 6000 rounds a minute) and the $425 for the ATF permit, I could own a nice gun I would go broke buying ammo for.

I am presently restoring two such weapons, an M1919 air cooled, belt fed 30 cal that during WW2 had been converted to have a butt instead of the traditional trigger and a 30.06 BAR.

Now, my justification for owning and restoring these two classics is very simple, they never caught the critter responsible for this, and where there is one 12 ton armadillo there has to be more.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:06:04 PM   
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/02/how-far-right-trolls-named-the-wrong-man-as-the-las-vegas-shooter/

Geary Danley was not the gunman in Las Vegas who killed at least 50 people late Sunday. But for hours on the far-right Internet, would-be sleuths scoured Danley’s Facebook likes, family photographs and marital history to try to “prove” that he was.

Danley, according to an archived version of a Facebook page bearing that name, might have been married to a Marilou Danley. Police were looking for a woman by that name in the hours after the shooting, but later said they did not think she was involved. To name someone as a mass murderer based on that evidence would be irresponsible and dangerous. But that’s exactly what a portion of the far-right Internet did overnight.

The briefest look at the viral threads and tweets falsely naming Geary Danley as the attacker makes it easy to guess why a bunch of right-wing trolls latched on to him: His Facebook profile indicated that he might be a liberal.

Authorities have since identified the gunman as Stephen Paddock, 64, who was later found dead in a hotel room on the Strip. His motives remain unknown. But the fake Danley story presented a complete, desirable package to the elements of the far-right Internet that spread it. That phony story quickly embedded itself into the algorithms of Google and Facebook, where sites promoting the rumor remained at the top of the results for anyone searching for Danley’s name.

In excited all-caps, one anonymous user on 4chan’s /pol/ board posted that Danley was a “REGISTERED DEMOCRAT!” The thread spread quickly, as did a crowdsourced wiki page about Danley on Everipedia that, according to its edit history, once said that “Geary opened fired [sic] on the 34th floor of the Mandalay Bay toward a concert happening across the street.”

The Everipedia article dedicated an entire section to what it alleged were Danley’s political views:
more at the link....

This narrative, backed by no evidence or confirmation of Danley’s involvement in the Las Vegas shooting, spread quickly. That Everipedia post had 77,000 views as of Monday morning, just hours after it was created. It has since been edited and no longer names Danley as the shooter. His personal photos, taken from Facebook, were still plastered all over the page.

But even as those rumors were thoroughly, conclusively debunked, this false narrative was picked up in the algorithms that, increasingly, have come to define a person’s public-facing identities. During a search I ran about 9 a.m. Monday, hours after the real shooting suspect — a different person — was identified, the entire first page of Google results for a search for Geary Danley’s full name were links to news sites, YouTube videos, message boards and even several /pol/ threads repeating the rumor about him. There was one exception: a link to Danley’s personal Facebook page. There were no links to debunkings or to any mainstream news outlets that had identified Paddock as the attacker.

That's how harmless old ladies used to get burned at the stake for being witches, isn't it?

They didn't have to be old but their families usually owned prime real estate. Once the community decides you or a family member were a witch...you sold out cheap and left.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:09:25 PM   
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So how are they going to start talking about cover-ups, crisis actors and conspiracies when Trump is in the White House?
Is the 'deep state' trying to protect the left from retribution here?
Maybe Mueller has ordered a cover-up so that it won't hurt the Dems' election chances in 2020, hiding the fact that leftism is an evil ideology that makes people shoot up country music concerts, because....

It just makes so much sense.



The dems just lost the 2020 election.


Well obviously somebody on the right is making all of that shit up, making it go viral and doing their best to make that happen.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:11:33 PM   
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I am reading his details on CNN.

Rich dude, had money for anything he wanted. Checked in hotel since last Thursday. Had plenty of time to prepare. All weapons were purchased legally. Can't get his mental health records as those are off limits. No criminal records. The closest thing he has to criminal relations is that his father was a wanted man.

So really interesting, so sad if it forever remains a mystery why he did this.





As far as I know, nothing is 'off-limits' once any person of interest, is dead.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:14:45 PM   
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I've just picked this up. I have, of course, no idea how accurate it is. Maybe one or more of the gunsters here might have an opinion?

"The narrative has been that fully automatic guns have been illegal since 1986 and so gun law changes wouldn't have changed this (I've heard this 20 times today already). If these turn out to be illegal modifications, fine, I get the point. However, if these are Bump Stock or Side Fire or Trigger Crank modifications - all of which are perfectly legal because you still have to pull the trigger (but can pull it 300-700 times a minute because the modification helps you pull the trigger)... I hope we can stop calling these automatic weapons, and stop pretending these have been illegal since 1986. It is legal today to buy a AR style .223 or .308 (confirmed as used in this tragedy) and it is legal to attach a bump stock shown in the video below. Legally, an AR style .223 or .308 with a bump stock is considered a semi automatic rifle. So let's quit acting like this wacko had to be using an illegal automatic weapon. He was more likely using the weapons shown and described below. We are stupid to allow these devices (bump stocks, side fire and trigger cranks). "

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:23:09 PM   
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There's nothing about this that says it was a spur of the moment thing.

I agree, you don't sneak 10 rifles into a hotel room by accident.

I am not so sure, anything is possible.

Girlfriend had finally had enough, says, 'will you get all those guns the fuck out of my house ? 'I am traveling and when I get back, those fucking guns of yours will be out of my life for good.'

He registered Thurs. so he had some time and 1 by 1 he breaks them down and takes them up maybe even 2 at a time.

Then later, he's drunk, pissed off at the world...starts shooting.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:33:03 PM   
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Al queda is taking responsibility saying he recently converted to islam but the fbi isn't confirming it.

ISIS too. Propaganda. He acted alone and without any jihadist overtones. Plus converting to Islam for their kind of terrorist...is not enough. This is not a terrorist thing, this is a gun control thing.

Now don't worry, this is not all going to happen soon, this is a slow step-by-step process where you won't have to but your kids and almost certainly their kids, will quietly and willingly give up their guns. (to join the rest of the invalidated BoR)

Oh and carrying a cross...wrapped in a flag.



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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:37:27 PM   
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Al queda is taking responsibility saying he recently converted to islam but the fbi isn't confirming it.

ISIS too. Propaganda. He acted alone and without any jihadist overtones. Plus converting to Islam for their kind of terrorist...is not enough. This is not a terrorist thing, this is a gun control thing.

Now don't worry, this is not all going to happen soon, this is a slow step-by-step process where you won't have to but your kids and almost certainly their kids, will quietly and willingly give up their guns. (to join the rest of the invalidated BoR)

Oh and carrying a cross...wrapped in a flag.




It doesn't make sense that someone who supports gun control would do this. It may turn into a gun control discussion, but it doesn't really make sense that that was the gunman's motive.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 4:54:57 PM   
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I am presently restoring two such weapons, an M1919 air cooled, belt fed 30 cal that during WW2 had been converted to have a butt instead of the traditional trigger and a 30.06 BAR

As for the BAR, (Browning Automatic Rifle) on a side note. The BAR and Browning has quite a history.

Delivered to the Army in 1918, got bipods and was fully adopted in 1938. Used in combat worldwide, practice and in service until 1991. Browning did a live demo of his water-cooled machine gun and the infantry automatic shoulder rifle. The govt. immed. ordered the water-cooled model.

By 1943 it had become difficult to keep up with demand but production rates greatly increased in 1943 after IBM introduced a method of casting BAR receivers from a new type of malleable pig iron developed by the Saginaw division of General Motors, called ArmaSteel.

After successfully passing a series of tests at Springfield Armory, the Chief of Ordnance instructed other BAR receiver manufacturers to change over from steel to ArmaSteel castings for this part

The BAR never entirely lived up to the original hopes of the war department as either a rifle or a machine gun, yet, remained in service until 1991 and is still used world wide at all levels.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 5:02:20 PM   
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Al queda is taking responsibility saying he recently converted to islam but the fbi isn't confirming it.

ISIS too. Propaganda. He acted alone and without any jihadist overtones. Plus converting to Islam for their kind of terrorist...is not enough. This is not a terrorist thing, this is a gun control thing.

Now don't worry, this is not all going to happen soon, this is a slow step-by-step process where you won't have to but your kids and almost certainly their kids, will quietly and willingly give up their guns. (to join the rest of the invalidated BoR)

Oh and carrying a cross...wrapped in a flag.




It doesn't make sense that someone who supports gun control would do this. It may turn into a gun control discussion, but it doesn't really make sense that that was the gunman's motive.


Well the one thing we do know, is that we...will never know for sure. But I am not convinced this guy wasn't clinically ill which if so, means he...could do anything and unpredictably so. And now the whole gun control debate keeps raging.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 6:07:39 PM   
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I don't think he hid them.

Hotel cleaning staff have been reported as saying they never saw any guns, so yeah, he hid them. Pay attention dude, I mean really.


Or maybe they just weren't there when the staff was cleaning.
Just because the maid doesn't find something doesn't mean it is hidden.




They were probably in a suitcase.



Maybe. I know if I had 10 fully auto weapons in a hotel I sure wouldn't leave them alone in a room while I was out gambling or whatever. They'd be in the hotel safe.


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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 6:45:44 PM   
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if he had planned this in advance, then why the 32nd floor?
That's higher than a planned shooting would want to be. If I went wacko and planned to pull off something like this I'd get a room on the 10th floor or so. Still a good angle and field of fire, but lots more accurate, even if all you are doing is spraying a crowd. 32nd floor is just too high up, bullets slow down with distance, not much, but enough to make the difference between killing and only wounding. I don't think someone would plan anything like this with the intent to only wound. A pre-planned killing event should have been lower.

Lee Harvey Oswald was only on the 4th floor for his planned shooting if you buy the Warren Commission report.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 6:52:32 PM   
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Al queda is taking responsibility saying he recently converted to islam but the fbi isn't confirming it.

ISIS too. Propaganda. He acted alone and without any jihadist overtones. Plus converting to Islam for their kind of terrorist...is not enough. This is not a terrorist thing, this is a gun control thing.

Now don't worry, this is not all going to happen soon, this is a slow step-by-step process where you won't have to but your kids and almost certainly their kids, will quietly and willingly give up their guns. (to join the rest of the invalidated BoR)

Oh and carrying a cross...wrapped in a flag.




It doesn't make sense that someone who supports gun control would do this. It may turn into a gun control discussion, but it doesn't really make sense that that was the gunman's motive.


Well the one thing we do know, is that we...will never know for sure. But I am not convinced this guy wasn't clinically ill which if so, means he...could do anything and unpredictably so. And now the whole gun control debate keeps raging.


It appears that the killer/shooter "snapped" and was mentally ill or at the very least seriously depressed.
In either case, the fact that he was able to obtain all these high powered rifles AND get them into a 5 star hotel is troubling.

ANYONE can get depressed, become mentally ill or snap.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 6:54:36 PM   
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It isn't all dreck like Garth Brooks or Miley's dad, Greta.
(I don't know any of Jason Aldean's stuff myself, but it's hard not to feel sorry for the guy over this. It's the very last way you'd want to get on the news as a working musician, isn't it?)

I shall await for motive. But it's very strange for a white man to go after country music. In my head right now, I am thinking that, country music is associated to right leaning folks, and right leaning folks is associated with Trump voters and shooter is left leaning who hated all the people who voted for Trump, thus he went to shoot em all. And then Trump will be blamed for this shooting for making people so angry and divided to this extent. My speculation and my guess.

Or may be just a beef against a specific band playing. And trying to ruin their concert.

Or a white Muslim..., they exist.




Greta it makes no difference his motivation... he is mentally ill.... and we must institute stronger screening for gun owners to at least try to weed out people like this.

Butch


The thing is Butch, maybe he was not "depressed or mentally ill" when he purchased the guns that he got legally.
Anyone can go off the deep end.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 6:55:24 PM   
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if he had planned this in advance, then why the 32nd floor?
That's higher than a planned shooting would want to be. If I went wacko and planned to pull off something like this I'd get a room on the 10th floor or so. Still a good angle and field of fire, but lots more accurate, even if all you are doing is spraying a crowd. 32nd floor is just too high up, bullets slow down with distance, not much, but enough to make the difference between killing and only wounding. I don't think someone would plan anything like this with the intent to only wound. A pre-planned killing event should have been lower.

Lee Harvey Oswald was only on the 4th floor for his planned shooting if you buy the Warren Commission report.


If he was nuts he probably just took the floor they gave him.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 7:11:53 PM   
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if he had planned this in advance, then why the 32nd floor?
That's higher than a planned shooting would want to be. If I went wacko and planned to pull off something like this I'd get a room on the 10th floor or so. Still a good angle and field of fire, but lots more accurate, even if all you are doing is spraying a crowd. 32nd floor is just too high up, bullets slow down with distance, not much, but enough to make the difference between killing and only wounding. I don't think someone would plan anything like this with the intent to only wound. A pre-planned killing event should have been lower.

Lee Harvey Oswald was only on the 4th floor for his planned shooting if you buy the Warren Commission report.


If he was nuts he probably just took the floor they gave him.



Here are a lot of details about the shooter, as usual the Daily Mail.

Killer brought 16 guns into the hotel in 10 suitcases


It appears that the killer brought 23 guns into the hotel in 10 suitcases.

From the above Daily Mail link:
The multimillionaire mass killer: Las Vegas gunman who shot 59 people dead and hurt 527 took huge arsenal of SIXTEEN guns in TEN suitcases into his Mandalay Bay sniper's nest - and set up two 'automatic' rifles on tripods at 32nd floor windows



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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 7:21:13 PM   
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If he was nuts he probably just took the floor they gave him.


Maybe, but he was a millionaire. The wealthy usually demand exactly what they want. More so in hotels.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 7:26:21 PM   
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If he was nuts he probably just took the floor they gave him.


Maybe, but he was a millionaire. The wealthy usually demand exactly what they want. More so in hotels.



MULTI millionaire

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 7:49:11 PM   
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• The Islamic State claimed that Mr. Paddock was one of its soldiers, but did not provide any evidence of its claim. The F.B.I. said there was no evidence so far that Mr. Paddock had ties to any international terrorist organization, and relatives said he had not displayed strong political or ideological beliefs in their interactions with him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting.html


I knew it!!!
White Muslim!
Lone Wolf!

Why would ISIS claim he is their soldier? The world already admit that ISIS now has communication methods with their Lone Wolves that cannot be detected, so just because they found no evidence of him communicating with ISIS doesn't mean shit. And also, they should double check if his girlfriend back in Philippines is Muslim. Philippines has one of the most aggressive ISIS strongholds. They might find something there. This was a very well planned mission. The girlfriend could be aware he was gonna kill them and kill himself, complete the ISIS mission and sacrifice his life, that's why she went out of the country.

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RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now - 10/2/2017 7:55:29 PM   
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So despite the fact that the article states there is no evidence to support ISIS claim, you are going with he is a white Muslim terrorist. WOW.

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