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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/8/2017 5:49:54 PM

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by the way, one of the best written books ive ever read:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52614.Borrowed_Time

I'll have to see if I can find it. Thanks.

I can admit that Dubbya's continued efforts to help with the HIV/AIDS crisis in Africa has softened my heart, and made me able to forgive him a lot.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/8/2017 5:55:56 PM

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I'm not saying that there shouldn't be punishment for intentionally infecting others with any disease. I think Florida's stand your ground law should protect me if I spray coughy/sneezy people at WalMart in the face with Lysol.

That's one law I might could get behind.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/8/2017 6:08:26 PM

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Have you ever been tested for HIV?

The first time I got tested, I was in high school. There was a booth at the county fair, and the friend I was with convinced me to do it. We both used fake names, no ID necessary, and picked up our free results at the county health center 2 weeks later. Both of us were negative, and have both stayed that way. Though we did have to sit with a counselor who spoke openly to each of us about safer sex practices when we got our results.

Even today, at LGBTQ+ centers, it's rare for ID to be required when they're doing free HIV screenings, because they don't want people to feel stigmatized, and more afraid of getting tested. And there are still counselors onhand when you pick up your results, regardless of the outcome.

Seeking treatment means accepting the results, and that's part of the grief process that doesn't always come immediately for people.

Losing your shit and fucking everyone available could easily be considered temporary insanity. And honestly, doing that makes you more susceptible to other STDs that will complicate the HIV infection.

And don't forget HEPPA laws, which make it difficult to go into people's medical records. At the very least, this makes prosecution a bit more expensive for the State.

Oh, and prison overcrowding in California is another issue that has to be considered. And that medical expenses have to be covered by the prison system.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/9/2017 8:45:11 AM

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greta, it used to be a death sentence, now its less so.

If you can afford the very expensive medication, and that is a very big if.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/9/2017 8:50:41 AM

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That's from inadequate testing of donated blood, and inadequate screening of donors. Most sexually active people aren't as responsible with their sexual health as they should be, and don't get tested for infections as often as is recommended (every 3 months in most cases).

Yeah, no shit, like dealing with people who knowingly lie about their HIV status.

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Another issue here is that many places, particularly Bloodmobiles, offer gift cards for blood donations. People in need can easily lie about their sexual activity or health status, or may simply be unaware of an issue due to inadequate or unused healthcare options.

Well, duh, that is why the laws were made in the first place.

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But to discriminate against anyone that's been involved in homosexual or bisexual activity was a huge concern. Not all of us have HIV/AIDS, and to prohibit us from donating blood is denying us the ability to help during major disasters, or help loved ones through surgeries. And it's just damn wrong.

Nobody said a fucking thing about any of that shit. I have to ask, do you even think before you post?

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/9/2017 12:08:04 PM

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You mentioned a tainted blood supply in Canada, which logically opened the conversation up to that. Or do you not even read the shit you type here anymore?

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/9/2017 5:22:57 PM

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You mentioned a tainted blood supply in Canada, which logically opened the conversation up to that. Or do you not even read the shit you type here anymore?

I know that a tainted blood supply is what killed off the hemophiliacs in the US in the 80's.

I believe the big risk is because there is a window between when one contracts HIV and when on has the antibodies show up in the blood. Hence the reason the no male-on-male behavior allowed for donors.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 12:24:07 AM

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Have you ever been tested for HIV?

I absolutely have been tested for HIV, because before I go "sleeveless" with anybody. I demand BOTH OF US get tested. This is for exclusive relationships. And I have men who demand I get tested BEFORE we engage in sex, which does not offend me, because I feel more secure having sex with men who gives a shit about this, and this also means, he gets himself tested regularly. Usually men who demands I get tested will also do the testing together with me. (PS, this is for casual sex and both of us being HIV free doesn't mean I forgo condoms IF we were not exclusive)

I am super responsible about sex and super careful about not getting diseases.

I have no respect for any HIV person who withhold info to their sexual partners about their HIV IF they already knew and were tested positive for it.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 12:24:08 AM

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You mentioned a tainted blood supply in Canada, which logically opened the conversation up to that. Or do you not even read the shit you type here anymore?

I know that a tainted blood supply is what killed off the hemophiliacs in the US in the 80's.

I believe the big risk is because there is a window between when one contracts HIV and when on has the antibodies show up in the blood. Hence the reason the no male-on-male behavior allowed for donors.

But very little was known about the disease at the time, including how to properly test donated blood.

As I said earlier in the thread,the original ban was too extreme to be continued. I think the current 1 year 'deferral' is a ban on any sexually active gay & bi men is still too much, although there doesn't seem to be an equivalant deferral for women who have had sex with men. Regardless of the relationship status of anyone, or whether safer sex practices have been followed.

Modern HIV tests only have to wait two weeks to 3 months from the last possible chance of infection to identify HIV in the bloodstream, depending on the test used. That's why the California porn industry is mandated to testing every 14 days.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 1:21:37 AM

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Have you ever been tested for HIV?

I absolutely have been tested for HIV, because before I go "sleeveless" with anybody. I demand BOTH OF US get tested. This is for exclusive relationships. And I have men who demand I get tested BEFORE we engage in sex, which does not offend me, because I feel more secure having sex with men who gives a shit about this, and this also means, he gets himself tested regularly. Usually men who demands I get tested will also do the testing together with me. (PS, this is for casual sex and both of us being HIV free doesn't mean I forgo condoms IF we were not exclusive)

I am super responsible about sex and super careful about not getting diseases.

I have no respect for any HIV person who withhold info to their sexual partners about their HIV IF they already knew and were tested positive for it.

Condoms break. Unprotected oral sex can be risky, though the taste of spermicide powder can ruin the moment too; precum can still carry disease.

I'm glad you're responsible about your sexual health. I am too, though that wasn't always the case. Sometimes I'm amazed that I made it through the 90's unscathed.

Genetic testing may have shed some light on that for me. Not claiming I'm totally immune, since there are different strains of HIV, as well as every other STD known to man, but I have the mutated delta32 receptor that seems to prevent HIV infection. This mutation in CCR5 is associated with natural immunity to HIV in about 10 percent of Caucasian people. (Yay! White privilege!)

I was also exclusively a top and I'm circumcised, which took the risk of infection down to 0.11% chance per unprotected encounter. Uncircumcised tops do have a higher risk of infection via fucking a dude, though bottoms (even occasional & versatile) still have a much higher risk.

For the last two years or so, I've been on Truvada for PReP, which decreases my risk of HIV infection even more, which reportedly has a 92 go 95% effectiveness for preventing HIV infection with exposure, when taken as directed. While condoms have a 90 to 95% rate of effectiveness preventing exposure, when used consistently.

And sorry, but like any born again anything, I'm all about evangelizing PReP. Condoms can't help you against an infected blood supply; PReP can. And with my insurance, it's $20 a month, until a generic is available, but that's likely years down the road.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 4:35:45 AM

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greta, it used to be a death sentence, now its less so.

If you can afford the very expensive medication, and that is a very big if.

Is HIV/AIDS something that US medical insurance companies will try to avoid paying to treat, come to that?

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 7:27:12 AM

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You mentioned a tainted blood supply in Canada, which logically opened the conversation up to that.

Not to any sensible person. Look, I know you desperately want to turn this discussion to one of LGBTQ discrimination, but it simply is not one, so fuck off.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 7:29:11 AM

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Is HIV/AIDS something that US medical insurance companies will try to avoid paying to treat, come to that?

They will try to avoid paying for anything they think they can get away with not paying for. And even if they do pay, how much do they pay, very often the deductibles are so high as to make treatment unafordable even with insurance.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 10:14:27 AM

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Is HIV/AIDS something that US medical insurance companies will try to avoid paying to treat, come to that?

They will try to avoid paying for anything they think they can get away with not paying for. And even if they do pay, how much do they pay, very often the deductibles are so high as to make treatment unafordable even with insurance.

Thanks.
I'm surprised they don't try to claim that AIDS is a pre-existing condition over the lengthy incubation period...

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 10:42:47 AM

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greta, it used to be a death sentence, now its less so.

If you can afford the very expensive medication, and that is a very big if.

Is HIV/AIDS something that US medical insurance companies will try to avoid paying to treat, come to that?

Before the ACA/Obamacare, it could be treated as a preexisting condition for new insurance policies. So changing jobs or moving to a different state could prove difficult. Most States do have a Medically Needy program as part of their Medicaid, but the out of pocket amount is based on income and ability to pay. In Florida, if you qualify, then once your medical expenses reach $1 over the set amount, then the program will pay for all medical expenses for the month.

Also, insurance companies decide what medications they'll cover. So the brand new wonder drug you hear about on the news probably isn't covered yet.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 10:55:11 AM

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You mentioned a tainted blood supply in Canada, which logically opened the conversation up to that.

Not to any sensible person. Look, I know you desperately want to turn this discussion to one of LGBTQ discrimination, but it simply is not one, so fuck off.

I'm willing to fight or argue over things that matter. That doesn't include your opinion of me, or your rules of conversation that only exist in your head.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 11:17:29 AM

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Now, Greta, back to the law & punishments.

I believe that if there is an actual sex crime involved, be it rape, sexual abuse of a minor, forced sodomy, etc, and the assailant is HIV positive (whether they know or not), then attempted murder should be added to any other charges. Or a new crime defined entirely.

But for consensual sex, unfortunately, it takes two to tango.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 11:21:22 AM

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But for consensual sex, unfortunately, it takes two to tango.

Very true, but would you willingly tango with somebody who only wants to dance with you to give you an incurable social disease?

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 12:10:10 PM

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But for consensual sex, unfortunately, it takes two to tango.

Very true, but would you willingly tango with somebody who only wants to dance with you to give you an incurable social disease?

No, but I know how safe sex works. I'm also not inclined to help someone cheat on their spouse or lover, but not everyone's honest about that either.

The act is still a crime. I would imagine it disproportionately effects gay men, just as the disease itself has. But never mind that.

The primary issue being ignored is that California is legally obligated to reduce prison overcrowding, and overhaul their prison parole system. That is going to mean reduced sentences for many nonviolent crimes, extra reduced time for good behavior, early parole eligibility, etc. Google Prop 57.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/10/2017 12:25:48 PM

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Oh dear, I am devastated!

smh

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