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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 6:44:44 PM   
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Its called critical thinking, Greta. You should try it sometime. Let me simplify it so you can understand...

If you reduce the sentence time, that means what? To clear up prison space. Im sure Singapore just shoves criminals inyo shithole prisons until the seams on the buildings burst, but we here in the US have to follow the US Constitution when it comes to treatment under incarceration.


No, if it's just to clear prison overcrowding, the article should have no problem mentioning that.

It clearly says that punishing HIV people who intentionally spread HIV stigmatizes ALL HIV sufferers. So they felt the law was not very fair to HIV sufferers and deserve a reduced sentencing.

PS: We don't have alot of criminals in Singapore, so we don't have a prison overcrowding problem. Most people fear prison and are law abiding. US prisons are too comfortable, so many people are not afraid to get in there. I think their solution for overcrowding is stop making the prison a humane place to live in. Simple comforts like a bed, is not available in our prisons. Maybe US should do away with beds too, and let them sleep on concrete floors, like our prisons. I think only in the US, you'd hear of poor people who intentionally keep going back into Prison, because of free room and board and food.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 6:49:41 PM   
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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 6:52:03 PM   
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There are none so blind as those who do not see. Its okay, Greta...bury your head like an ostrich.


It is actually a practical solution to make the prison a little more uncomfortable than it is now, and then heavily advertise the "reduction of comfort" that will naturally reduce prison overcrowding. Fear works in making people think twice before committing crimes.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 6:53:30 PM   
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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 6:55:12 PM   
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Whether its liked or not, prison overcrowding is a serious problem in the US and there are Constitutional protections in place regarding incarceration. People want everyone who breaks the law to serve time, but there isnt enough prison space or money to do it. California, like other states, is between a rock and a hard place.
It might get one up in arms that California has reduced knowingly infecting others with HIV and it may be no consolation to the person infected, but is 8 years behind bars (the old law) really any consolation either? 8 years under the old law sure as shit wouldnt bring me consolation. Still wouldnt magically revert my HIV status to non-infected even if they served the full 8 years for knowingly infecting me.
Shall we keep the HIV infected person incarcerated at the expense of...say...releasing another violent felon into the community so we can free up the bed space? You cant pack 10,000 in a space designed to hold 5,000. So who should we let go free to make sure those who knowingly spread HIV serve a full sentence? My answer would be non-violent drug offenders...but people have a real hard-on for punishing those types with sentences like mandatory minimum.


"non-violent drug offenders"

Sounds like you're describing someone who was caught possessing of and/or dealing in some sort of illegal drug. IMO, when you knowingly injure or cause damage to another person directly, that should take on a completely different sort of sentence. If the crime you've committed didn't directly cause physical harm to someone else, then I can see those people being chosen for parole over those whose crime(s) directly caused physical harm to someone. IMO, knowingly infecting someone with HIV without their consent would qualify as causing physical harm to that someone.

So, I would agree with you that non-violent drug offenders should be let free to reduce prison overpopulation. Perhaps more prison space is needed, too?


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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:04:38 PM   
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Its called critical thinking, Greta. You should try it sometime. Let me simplify it so you can understand...

If you reduce the sentence time, that means what? To clear up prison space. Im sure Singapore just shoves criminals inyo shithole prisons until the seams on the buildings burst, but we here in the US have to follow the US Constitution when it comes to treatment under incarceration.


No, if it's just to clear prison overcrowding, the article should have no problem mentioning that.

It clearly says that punishing HIV people who intentionally spread HIV stigmatizes ALL HIV sufferers. So they felt the law was not very fair to HIV sufferers and deserve a reduced sentencing.

PS: We don't have alot of criminals in Singapore, so we don't have a prison overcrowding problem. Most people fear prison and are law abiding. US prisons are too comfortable, so many people are not afraid to get in there. I think their solution for overcrowding is stop making the prison a humane place to live in. Simple comforts like a bed, is not available in our prisons. Maybe US should do away with beds too, and let them sleep on concrete floors, like our prisons. I think only in the US, you'd hear of poor people who intentionally keep going back into Prison, because of free room and board and food.

Unless, like you, the author has a bias and wants to blame the lefties for this, so they make that the focus of the article and purposefully leave out any mention on prison overcrowding issues that may have been considered as part of the law as well.

Because that never happens, does it.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:05:40 PM   
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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:13:35 PM   
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So this is a real life case as to why these people do not deserve their sentence lowered! And this law in California will have reduce this guy's 8 years to only 6 months. And it sounds like, he was doing the spreading intentionally. He is exactly the kind of person you wanna lock up forever, so he doesn't give the gay community a bad name!

HIV hairdresser Darryll Rowe 'boasted of ripped condom'

A hairdresser accused of deliberately infecting his lovers with HIV said "I got you" to one of them, a court heard.

Darryll Rowe, 26, denies infecting four men from the Brighton area with the virus and attempting to give it to a further six.

Lewes Crown Court heard he bombarded his second victim with texts and calls after the pair had sex.

During one call, jurors heard, Mr Rowe said: "I ripped the condom. Burn. I got you."


I hope you realize I'm not going to try to defend this sleezeball. Each offense is a separate crime, so hopefully that means consecutive sentences for each one.

You know, it's not true that, they are changing the severity of this crime because of prison overcrowding. The reason why they are reducing it is, according to the article i post on the OP:

both Democrats, argued California law was outdated and stigmatized people living with HIV,


And essentially, the dems are saying that, prosecuting people like this Brit asshole with a heavy sentence who is intentionally spreading HIV through Grindr will stigmatize ALL HIV sufferers.

Nothing about Prison Overcrowding.

That is what is stupid about this decision.
The rationale and logic of this decision does not even make sense.

Because these Dem politicians, like some of you guys here who are more left leaning, interpretes "knowingly" as the same word as "unknowingly".

There is no innocent being prosecuted in this law. It is meant to punish HIV sufferers like the Brit Hairdresser who knowingly and intentionally went out to spread his HIV.



And now, let me take a moment to explain what Grindr is.

It's a gay 'dating' app, which shows you other guys near your position. It's mostly used to find somebody to have random sex with, although some use it to find friends when they move to a new area, or just to expand their social network, or for workout buddies, and even relationships, but that's not as common, and a lot of them are often in the mood tonight anyway. And like anywhere else on the internet, there are fakes and prostitutes.

And I'm speaking from experience, so no judgment here.

The law as it was did add a stigma to those infected with HIV, and was almost certainly disproportionately effecting gay men with HIV as well, over other classes.

Now add that it increased the number of people in prison living with HIV, which increases the financial burden of the prisons, which are required to take care of medical needs, as well as increasing the risk of HIV exposure to the prison population. California is kinda weird when it comes to sex in prison; it's illegal (outside of conjugal visits), yet they require condoms to be made available for inmates. And fights can get bloody.

If a person enters prison HIV negative, and gets released infected, it seems possible for that inmate to file a lawsuit. If for nothing else than "cruel and unusual punishment". No idea if it's been attempted, or how far it went, much less any verdicts, and I don't feel like dealing with Google to look.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:19:51 PM   
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To keep everyone Greta thinks should be in prison, we'll need many prisons. But with what money do we build these prisons? We've already tried the incarcerate everyone policy here in the US and have millions incarcerated, yet crime and prison overcrowding doesnt go down. Unless the US becomes more proactive and less reactive when it comes to issues like criminal justice, its not ever really going to change for the better. Just my honest opinion


I agree with you. I'm also one "of those" that thinks ALL drugs should be legalized, and add to the sentences for anyone committing a crime while under the influence of drugs. "Honest" businesses will be created that deal in currently-illegal drugs. The government can regulate and tax it. Possession and use will no longer be criminalized.

But, with the way things are going, eventually we're going to have prisons overpopulated with those you and I would agree should be in prison, and then what? Where does money government spends come from? That's where you get the money to build more prisons.

Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.


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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:25:14 PM   
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Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.


HA!

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:33:41 PM   
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To keep everyone Greta thinks should be in prison, we'll need many prisons. But with what money do we build these prisons? We've already tried the incarcerate everyone policy here in the US and have millions incarcerated, yet crime and prison overcrowding doesnt go down. Unless the US becomes more proactive and less reactive when it comes to issues like criminal justice, its not ever really going to change for the better. Just my honest opinion


I agree with you. I'm also one "of those" that thinks ALL drugs should be legalized, and add to the sentences for anyone committing a crime while under the influence of drugs. "Honest" businesses will be created that deal in currently-illegal drugs. The government can regulate and tax it. Possession and use will no longer be criminalized.

But, with the way things are going, eventually we're going to have prisons overpopulated with those you and I would agree should be in prison, and then what? Where does money government spends come from? That's where you get the money to build more prisons.

Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.



We agree. I personally think anything drug related needs to be wiped from the laws. Same goes for prostitution laws as well. America's War on Drugs was a ridiculous failure that only encouraged instead of discouraged drugs. Clear all dope offenders out of prison and there is plenty of room for all the US people Greta wants to throw behind bars. I live in Oregon and we decriminalized marijuana for well over a year now. We joined in after Colorado and Washington...and I have no doubt more states will follow along. We're all just screwed if the Feds get a bug up their ass to try to stop progress 😉

I do think that knowingly infecting someone else with HIV merits prison...and it sure as hell should be more than 6 months. Just swinging us back to on topic. And I agree with Jvov that registry as a sex offender afterwards should be required. Though I have to wonder how to get around the intricacies of HIPPA and legal disclosure from a sex offender registry standpoint goes if that information is to be public knowledge

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:39:13 PM   
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To keep everyone Greta thinks should be in prison, we'll need many prisons. But with what money do we build these prisons? We've already tried the incarcerate everyone policy here in the US and have millions incarcerated, yet crime and prison overcrowding doesnt go down. Unless the US becomes more proactive and less reactive when it comes to issues like criminal justice, its not ever really going to change for the better. Just my honest opinion

I agree with you. I'm also one "of those" that thinks ALL drugs should be legalized, and add to the sentences for anyone committing a crime while under the influence of drugs. "Honest" businesses will be created that deal in currently-illegal drugs. The government can regulate and tax it. Possession and use will no longer be criminalized.
But, with the way things are going, eventually we're going to have prisons overpopulated with those you and I would agree should be in prison, and then what? Where does money government spends come from? That's where you get the money to build more prisons.
Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.

We agree. I personally think anything drug related needs to be wiped from the laws. Same goes for prostitution laws as well. America's War on Drugs was a ridiculous failure that only encouraged instead of discouraged drugs. Clear all dope offenders out of prison and there is plenty of room for all the US people Greta wants to throw behind bars. I live in Oregon and we decriminalized marijuana for well over a year now. We joined in after Colorado and Washington...and I have no doubt more states will follow along. We're all just screwed if the Feds get a bug up their ass to try to stop progress 😉


I'm in Ohio, and I voted against a Constitutional Amendment legalizing marijuana. I did so because said amendment would have created 4 legal grow operations only. I don't partake, but I feel marijuana should be fully legal. A perfectly ripe tomato fresh picked from a backyard garden can do interesting things to me (yeah, I love tomatoes). Why shouldn't everyone have the opportunity to legally grow something they'll ingest that will chill them out?

I'm all for making Ohio 420 friendly, but I'm not going to support anything but full legalization.


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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 7:50:45 PM   
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To keep everyone Greta thinks should be in prison, we'll need many prisons. But with what money do we build these prisons? We've already tried the incarcerate everyone policy here in the US and have millions incarcerated, yet crime and prison overcrowding doesnt go down. Unless the US becomes more proactive and less reactive when it comes to issues like criminal justice, its not ever really going to change for the better. Just my honest opinion

I agree with you. I'm also one "of those" that thinks ALL drugs should be legalized, and add to the sentences for anyone committing a crime while under the influence of drugs. "Honest" businesses will be created that deal in currently-illegal drugs. The government can regulate and tax it. Possession and use will no longer be criminalized.
But, with the way things are going, eventually we're going to have prisons overpopulated with those you and I would agree should be in prison, and then what? Where does money government spends come from? That's where you get the money to build more prisons.
Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.

We agree. I personally think anything drug related needs to be wiped from the laws. Same goes for prostitution laws as well. America's War on Drugs was a ridiculous failure that only encouraged instead of discouraged drugs. Clear all dope offenders out of prison and there is plenty of room for all the US people Greta wants to throw behind bars. I live in Oregon and we decriminalized marijuana for well over a year now. We joined in after Colorado and Washington...and I have no doubt more states will follow along. We're all just screwed if the Feds get a bug up their ass to try to stop progress 😉


I'm in Ohio, and I voted against a Constitutional Amendment legalizing marijuana. I did so because said amendment would have created 4 legal grow operations only. I don't partake, but I feel marijuana should be fully legal. A perfectly ripe tomato fresh picked from a backyard garden can do interesting things to me (yeah, I love tomatoes). Why shouldn't everyone have the opportunity to legally grow something they'll ingest that will chill them out?

I'm all for making Ohio 420 friendly, but I'm not going to support anything but full legalization.



Ours is all based on OLCC and State licensing. We did not limit our grower numbers to quite that low a number as Ohio tried to do, though I imagine there is some sort of limit to how many growers licenses are issued overall. But there are a shit ton of different growers available at our dispensaries. And we all can legally grow a certain number of plants of our own with no need to inform Oregon. Our medical patients get even more and they can have a licensed caretaker to grow theirs for them.

I dont blame your vote. As it was presented, I would have voted no too


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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 8:57:05 PM   
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Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.


We would make a business out of it. We make sure we keep your prisoners in the most inhumane conditions ever, that it will totally help your country lower your crime rate as horror stories of Singapore Prison Spreads around. We cane our prisoners too, BTW.

And we will charge US for our services, and make good money out of it. I think we got enough useless islands lying around that we can build these prisons to keep US prisoners!

It's actually a damn great idea!

I also suggest that you outsource your death sentence to us too. We just hang them, and use a cheap rope. The cheapest option. And US can save money on expensive lethal injection and electric chairs. And we would do it immediately upon arrival. So prisoners don't have to wait 20 years in deathrow to die and clog up US prison space.

Such a win-win!

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 9:30:09 PM   
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Unless, like you, the author has a bias and wants to blame the lefties for this, so they make that the focus of the article and purposefully leave out any mention on prison overcrowding issues that may have been considered as part of the law as well.

Because that never happens, does it.


Hey! I was quoting Clinton News Network and not Fox News! What Author Bias? That's a Leftie Author!

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 10:13:15 PM   
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Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.


We would make a business out of it. We make sure we keep your prisoners in the most inhumane conditions ever, that it will totally help your country lower your crime rate as horror stories of Singapore Prison Spreads around. We cane our prisoners too, BTW.

And we will charge US for our services, and make good money out of it. I think we got enough useless islands lying around that we can build these prisons to keep US prisoners!

It's actually a damn great idea!

I also suggest that you outsource your death sentence to us too. We just hang them, and use a cheap rope. The cheapest option. And US can save money on expensive lethal injection and electric chairs. And we would do it immediately upon arrival. So prisoners don't have to wait 20 years in deathrow to die and clog up US prison space.

Such a win-win!



Great news...shithole Singapore prisons run by the clueless and cruel. And if your prison officials walk around with their heads inserted up their own rectums as current Singaporean representation around here clearly shows, you guys would fuck this up seven ways from Sunday. Stick to what you know, Greta...because prison reform (like many many many many many other things) just aint skills you possess in your particular wheelhouse. Your medical knowledge aline speaks VOLUMES as to why folks shouldnt listen to you. Keeping it real...and real simple...for you. Ive no doubt you will come back with some innane quip of cluelessness like you didnt even understand what was said, so Im not expecting much. Aim low...you cant miss the bar. I set it really really low just for you

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 11:02:19 PM   
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Great news...shithole Singapore prisons run by the clueless and cruel. And if your prison officials walk around with their heads inserted up their own rectums as current Singaporean representation around here clearly shows, you guys would fuck this up seven ways from Sunday. Stick to what you know, Greta...because prison reform (like many many many many many other things) just aint skills you possess in your particular wheelhouse. Your medical knowledge aline speaks VOLUMES as to why folks shouldnt listen to you. Keeping it real...and real simple...for you. Ive no doubt you will come back with some innane quip of cluelessness like you didnt even understand what was said, so Im not expecting much. Aim low...you cant miss the bar. I set it really really low just for you

When our crime rates are some of the lowest in the world.
You really can't brag that your country is better than mine, in terms of "prison rehabilitation" and how we manage our prisoners.

We went from lawlessness to crime filled country to, where we are now. So we know how to keep our prisons from overcrowding.

Not from less punishment for heavy crimes. But to make people fear going to prison. And people SHOULD Fear prison. So that they DO NOT commit those crimes in the first place.

Prisons is definitely not a place for "humane" treatment.

Prison is a place where you lose your rights as a human being. You lose freedom and many rights. Rights to freedom. Because instead of contributing positively to society, you decide to harm society by killing or raping. I feel that these people no longer deserve any rights. And I feel very strongly about this.

Let's spend our money on saving all the good people and stop wasting resources to save bad people.

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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/11/2017 11:59:46 PM   
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/07/health/california-hiv-bill-signed/index.html

Leftie State, WTF!

HIV acceptance does not start with lowering the criminal seriousness of knowingly infecting a partner with HIV without their consent!

WTF California!

This just means, you guys are saying it's okay to lie!

I mean, we are still talking about potentially AIDS that still has no cure. It's a death sentence!




it is ask any attorney, or just watch them in court.


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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/12/2017 1:46:35 AM   
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Great news...shithole Singapore prisons run by the clueless and cruel. And if your prison officials walk around with their heads inserted up their own rectums as current Singaporean representation around here clearly shows, you guys would fuck this up seven ways from Sunday. Stick to what you know, Greta...because prison reform (like many many many many many other things) just aint skills you possess in your particular wheelhouse. Your medical knowledge aline speaks VOLUMES as to why folks shouldnt listen to you. Keeping it real...and real simple...for you. Ive no doubt you will come back with some innane quip of cluelessness like you didnt even understand what was said, so Im not expecting much. Aim low...you cant miss the bar. I set it really really low just for you

When our crime rates are some of the lowest in the world.
You really can't brag that your country is better than mine, in terms of "prison rehabilitation" and how we manage our prisoners.

We went from lawlessness to crime filled country to, where we are now. So we know how to keep our prisons from overcrowding.

Not from less punishment for heavy crimes. But to make people fear going to prison. And people SHOULD Fear prison. So that they DO NOT commit those crimes in the first place.

Prisons is definitely not a place for "humane" treatment.

Prison is a place where you lose your rights as a human being. You lose freedom and many rights. Rights to freedom. Because instead of contributing positively to society, you decide to harm society by killing or raping. I feel that these people no longer deserve any rights. And I feel very strongly about this.

Let's spend our money on saving all the good people and stop wasting resources to save bad people.


Way to limbo in under the ridiculously low bar I set! Would you like your Scooby Snack now...or would you like to wait a tick?

In all reality, Greta...and I mean this most sincerely..

You live in Singapore. The laws you are bitching about are California laws...which is part of the good old U S of A. So California citizens should care fuck all what you believe because....? Yeah, exactly what I thought. Cali doesnt give a shit what you think. They are going to roll on like you didnt even open your Singaporean yap. Until you have a dog [monetarily or otherwise] in the fight...poodles such as yourself should just on the porch.

But God help me, your cluelesness amuses the fuck out of me.


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RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing ... - 10/12/2017 6:12:55 AM   
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Maybe we should one-way ticket them all to Singapore.

We would make a business out of it. We make sure we keep your prisoners in the most inhumane conditions ever, that it will totally help your country lower your crime rate as horror stories of Singapore Prison Spreads around. We cane our prisoners too, BTW.
And we will charge US for our services, and make good money out of it. I think we got enough useless islands lying around that we can build these prisons to keep US prisoners!
It's actually a damn great idea!
I also suggest that you outsource your death sentence to us too. We just hang them, and use a cheap rope. The cheapest option. And US can save money on expensive lethal injection and electric chairs. And we would do it immediately upon arrival. So prisoners don't have to wait 20 years in deathrow to die and clog up US prison space.
Such a win-win!


Fuck charging us. We'll just send them over and let them run afoul of your laws. They'll be flagged and not allowed to come back here, anyway. Problem solved for us.


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What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

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