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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

Lol, tin foil hats for everyone.

As leftists make thought crime laws reality I wonder where all of the bills are in congress to jail flag burners.

If we're talking about thought crimes, let's discuss the crap about the Satanist conspiracy running the media that was going around for the whole of the '80s once Saint Ronnie handed the Republican party over to the religious right.
We could mention how criticism of Dubya was a good way to get blacklisted by the "liberal" media conspiracy for the first eight years of this century as well.

If you'll try and recall, Reagan and W haven't been president in years. Get over it.

And while you're trying to get over it, while you won't like this source, take a gander at this:

https://breaking.projectveritas.com/NYTimes1.html

Shut up about Obama Carter and Clinton, then.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The odd thing about this discussion is that the Democrats were the party of Fascism back in the 1930s and still are proponents of the huge government control that is the earmark of Fascism. National Socialism, the Fascist Party, was supported by the Democratic Party right up until Hitler invaded Belgium. And they still support the same kind of politics that made the Nazis famous.

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And they still support the same kind of politics that made the Nazis famous.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

Ya, checked your source. No access to the poll or poll data and it appears you've edited some of what your source says.

Tin foil hat time once again.

thats strange...
cos I followed his sources and found this....
https://www.cato.org/blog/poll-61-oppose-firing-nfl-players-who-refuse-stand-national-anthem-65-republicans-say-players

oh and theres a link to the topline pdf for methodology and poll
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/wp-content/uploads/cato_free_speech_and_tolerance_2017_nflplayers.pdf
and I found it within the last 15 minutes(your time stamp)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I see nnanji shit and ran...before admitting he was full of shit.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

Ya, checked your source. No access to the poll or poll data and it appears you've edited some of what your source says.

Tin foil hat time once again.

What part of - A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm. The data is right in front of your eyes.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

Ya, checked your source. No access to the poll or poll data and it appears you've edited some of what your source says.

Tin foil hat time once again.

thats strange...
cos I followed his sources and found this....
https://www.cato.org/blog/poll-61-oppose-firing-nfl-players-who-refuse-stand-national-anthem-65-republicans-say-players

oh and theres a link to the topline pdf for methodology and poll
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/wp-content/uploads/cato_free_speech_and_tolerance_2017_nflplayers.pdf
and I found it within the last 15 minutes(your time stamp)

Both your links are to one question about the NFL. Nothing about what MrRogers is saying. So my previous comment stands.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

Ya, checked your source. No access to the poll or poll data and it appears you've edited some of what your source says.

Tin foil hat time once again.

thats strange...
cos I followed his sources and found this....
https://www.cato.org/blog/poll-61-oppose-firing-nfl-players-who-refuse-stand-national-anthem-65-republicans-say-players

oh and theres a link to the topline pdf for methodology and poll
https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/wp-content/uploads/cato_free_speech_and_tolerance_2017_nflplayers.pdf
and I found it within the last 15 minutes(your time stamp)

Both your links are to one question about the NFL. Nothing about what MrRogers is saying. So my previous comment stands.

no, one link is to cato talking about the poll mentioned in the OP and one is the link to the actual poll in the OP, thats all you asked for thats all you got.
Your demands should be more concise

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I see nnanji shit and ran...before admitting he was full of shit.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The odd thing about this discussion is that the Democrats were the party of Fascism back in the 1930s and still are proponents of the huge government control that is the earmark of Fascism. National Socialism, the Fascist Party, was supported by the Democratic Party right up until Hitler invaded Belgium. And they still support the same kind of politics that made the Nazis famous.

Are you saying, then, that AntiFA is Republicans?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I've said before that many on the Right don't give a crap about any part of the Constitution except Amendment #2 and those on the left would gladly repeal everything but Amendments 1 and 5.
They would both happily wipe their ass with the rest.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

if you had comprehended what the articles say, reason.com, or the cato link, you would already have known that the entire poll hasnt been published, that the writer of Mr Rs OP said he had an advanced copy.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I see nnanji shit and ran...before admitting he was full of shit.

I've not responded again because the data is in the article, doesn't even try to refute that but as usual...goes after the source and even if you can't budge CATO , Reason mag. or YouGov which he can't...then they attack methodology.

These are well warn out attempts to deflect that repubs themselves want to re-tailor the BoR to their liking.