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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I've not responded again because the data is in the article, doesn't even try to refute that but as usual...goes after the source and even if you can't budge CATO , Reason mag. or YouGov which he can't...then they attack methodology.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I've not responded again because the data is in the article, doesn't even try to refute that but as usual...goes after the source and even if you can't budge CATO , Reason mag. or YouGov which he can't...then they attack methodology.

wtf? that's a legitimate part of an honest critique of research.

you cannot wholly respond to data independent from how the data was generated.

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Seems it's now the new American fascism is in its second trimester...soon (give it maybe 10-20 years) we will see it even more in the street where policies begin to change lives even more.

Republicans aren't so supportive of the BoR when it suits them and much more so than society as a whole.

.....Many conservatives admit to favoring policies that would proscribe the rights of Muslims, journalists, and those who "disrespect" the United States.

.....72 percent of Republicans would support making it illegal for an American to burn or desecrate the flag. A little more than half of Republicans would punish the desecrators by stripping them of their U.S. citizenship, something Donald Trump suggested (to great and deserved indignation) a few weeks after he won the election last November.

....."people should be allowed to express unpopular opinions in public, even those that are deeply offensive to other people," compared to less than five in 10 Democrats. Nonetheless, 36 percent of Republicans would support prohibiting offensive public statements aimed at the police, and the same number would ban such comments aimed at the military. By comparison, just 24 percent would outlaw offensive speech aimed at gays, lesbians, and transgender people.

.....Despite constant declamations from the right on the importance of religious freedom, 67 percent of Republicans favor a law to "prohibit face coverings in public spaces." Nearly half would ban the construction of mosques in their community. That is much higher than among all Americans (28 percent) and among Democrats only (14 percent).

.....It's also directly contrary to constitutional protections agaainst laws that discriminate against certain faith groups.

.....colleges should handle students who disrupt invited speakers in the manner of last week's rightly maligned protest at the College of William and Mary, 65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent).

.....50 percent of Republicans say the press in America has too much freedom to do what it wants. Just 31 percent of all respondents felt the same way. Republicans also appear to be following the president's lead on a related question: By 63–35 percent, they say journalists are "an enemy of the American people." Among everyone who took the survey, those numbers were flipped.

(The Left: Two in three (66%) believe offensive speech constitutes an act of violence, and the same number feel that college administrators "have an obligation to protect students from speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment." These answers represent a frightening departure on the American left from a longstanding consensus reflected in the famous aphorism that you need not agree with what somebody says in order to support her right to say it.)

However, the right:

Yet the departures on the right may be even more noteworthy, particularly given how much pleasure conservatives (the right) take in decrying the behavior of their political adversaries. In fact, 72 percent of Republicans in the poll said that colleges and universities are not doing enough "to teach young Americans about the value of free speech," and 90 percent think political correctness is "a big problem this country has."

But it's hard (for the right) to claim a position of moral authority on the First Amendment when, at the same time, [they] approve of government force to punish those who speak, dress, protest, or worship in a manner you don't like.

A brief methodological aside: The Cato study I'm dissecting here was conducted in partnership with YouGov, a highly respected British web-based polling firm.

HERE

As we all know or should know, this is your right today and has been developing since Reagan.

DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

".................65 percent of poll respondents thought that hecklers should be disciplined in some way. But about one-third (32 percent) of GOPers thought schools should actually have the police arrest disorderly students. Among all participants in the survey, that number was closer to one-fifth (19 percent)."

WHAT?????????????????

Drugs...I'm certain....

What were you actually SAYING????????????????????????????????????

WHAT???????????????

WHAT number??????????

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I've not responded again because the data is in the article, doesn't even try to refute that but as usual...goes after the source and even if you can't budge CATO , Reason mag. or YouGov which he can't...then they attack methodology.

wtf? that's a legitimate part of an honest critique of research.

you cannot wholly respond to data independent from how the data was generated.

As I've said before, MrRogers lives in a world entirely of his creation.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Personally I dont touch Cato as a source unless I have to because its hopelessly biased, now I am looking forward to seeing the full poll.
I have a feeling this will be revisited.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

cato is not "hopelessly biased"

its a libertarian think tank and that means it approaches problems from that perspective.

that does not translate into "biased" as the term is understood in research or in media studies, or how it should be used in a negative sense in casual conversation.

when the Russian judge gives his figure skater a higher score compared to the score he gives an identical routine from a skater from another country, that's bias.

when a news outlet gives 100 minutes of negative coverage and blatantly ignores positive coverage, that's bias.

when people slant plain meanings of communication into something other than what was said/meant, that's bias.

cato is only "biased" when they fail to hold to objective standards in writing, or in this case, research. if they've done that, by all means show it, otherwise, you would have to call every single person and entity who espouses one view over another "hopelessly biased."

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Personally I dont touch Cato as a source unless I have to because its hopelessly biased, now I am looking forward to seeing the full poll.
I have a feeling this will be revisited.

Well, considering it's funded by the federal govt.............

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Personally I dont touch Cato as a source unless I have to because its hopelessly biased, now I am looking forward to seeing the full poll.
I have a feeling this will be revisited.

Well, considering it's funded by the federal govt.............

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Personally I dont touch Cato as a source unless I have to because its hopelessly biased, now I am looking forward to seeing the full poll.
I have a feeling this will be revisited.

Well, considering it's funded by the federal govt.............

it's funded by the Koch brothers.

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix
(They're funded by the feds).

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The Cato Institute is a public policy research organization — a think tank — dedicated to the principles of individual liberty, limited government, free markets and peace. Its scholars and analysts conduct independent, nonpartisan research on a wide range of policy issues.

Founded in 1977, Cato owes its name to Cato’s Letters, a series of essays published in 18th- century England that presented a vision of society free from excessive government power. Those essays inspired the architects of the American Revolution. And the simple, timeless principles of that revolution — individual liberty, limited government, and free markets — turn out to be even more powerful in today’s world of global markets and unprecedented access to information than Jefferson or Madison could have imagined. Social and economic freedom is not just the best policy for a free people, it is the indispensable framework for the future.

[oh the horrors!]

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Personally I dont touch Cato as a source unless I have to because its hopelessly biased, now I am looking forward to seeing the full poll.
I have a feeling this will be revisited.

Well, considering it's funded by the federal govt.............