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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 8:05:55 AM   
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Like Beetlejuice, your name is uttered three times and magically you appear in all your corpse-who-cant-pass-on glory! You are as predictible as a Taco Bell dump, Greta. Its what amuses me about you

You obviously have a crush on me and keep wanting attention from me.
On top of that, you keep insulting my intelligence even when you are proven wrong, because you have inferiority complex on your own intelligence.

And the fact that I have the facts to back me up on this specific OP, and you still insist I am the clueless ninny. You are looking really dumb right now unable to stick to the subject and simply debate base on topic itself.



You're not my type, Greta. I tend to roll with folks who have a fully functioning brain and they know how to use it. And then there's you...

If I whisper sweet nothings in your ear, Ill bet I could hear them echoing off the walls of your skull. But you keep thinking Im all hot for you if you would like. Whatever helps you get through yet another day of being...well...you


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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 10:47:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do any of you really think you are going to get Greta to see it any differently that she has decided?

I agree that touching the women's rear, even in a light-hearted way, was in appropriate.

Bush is at a disadvantage in that he is in a wheelchair, limited movement, always at waist height.

Greta, it is common for people to want some sort of friendly gesture from those more famous than them, especially in a memento like a photo. Not saying that this woman did, but I bet that Bush learned long ago that photo ops meant looking friendly with other people in the shoot, particularly those standing next to them. He would extend that to others, and would not need to with his wife.

For men, that would be an arm around a shoulder, maybe. For women, it could be shoulders or waist. A man would not do the arm around the waist of another man. So Bush can only attempt that kind of pose with women. But now with his condition, anytime he tries to do that, he ends up with his arm near their butt.

I doubt he intentionally touched them inappropriately. But I can see it happening, especially as old and weak as he is now, his arm is more likely to fall down as he removes it. And touch the butt.

It apparently had happened enough that he has learned to manage it with a joke in an attempt to make light of the situation.

Maybe not the best way to handle it. I'll admit that.

But is he intentionally doing this to women? I very seriously doubt it.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 1:32:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greta75 was correct. This was backed up with two separate statements.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 2:00:40 PM   
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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 2:13:49 PM   
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If you are the best then I weep for them all.

You brain removal went well i see?

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 3:00:41 PM   
bounty44


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so im curious...

you've been banned from the forums.

and each time you come back with another name, its just a matter of time before you are banned again.

this has happened probably 10-12 times. what you do goes a long way towards wrecking the place.

just what is that makes you think its okay for you to flout the rules and the repeated judgment of so many people?

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 3:47:37 PM   
JVoV


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I do have to say that I much prefer him when he's making reasonable posts, and threads worthy of discussion that we haven't had (lately, anyhow). But I prefer that with anyone.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 4:45:13 PM   
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Greta, it is common for people to want some sort of friendly gesture from those more famous than them, especially in a memento like a photo. Not saying that this woman did, but I bet that Bush learned long ago that photo ops meant looking friendly with other people in the shoot, particularly those standing next to them. He would extend that to others, and would not need to with his wife.

In this specific case, what she wanted was a handshake, not a butt shake. But Senior Bush refuse to shake her hand but chose to touch her on the butt instead and then use that joke thinking it's funny.

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I doubt he intentionally touched them inappropriately. But I can see it happening, especially as old and weak as he is now, his arm is more likely to fall down as he removes it. And touch the butt.
But is he intentionally doing this to women? I very seriously doubt it.

Guys seriously!! I know it's hard to believe that an old respectable President did this intentionally. BUT his spokes person blatantly said very specifically that he likes patting women's butt to "make them feel comfortable" apparently! He did it intentionally! His appointed spokesperson verified it!



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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 4:48:57 PM   
Greta75


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im going to suggest the "rear" that the spokesman used is more like what I described, the upper hip area---as opposed to say the type of touch football players give each other.

Hip and Butt is no difference. Both are inappropriate areas for a man to touch a woman! The hip is still part of the butt.

I mean, why are people defending that it is okay for a man in a wheelchair to touch a woman on her hips or butt without her permission? That's like making molestation legal specifically for all Males on wheelchairs! I mean, Bush Senior could not be any clearer with "David Cop A Feel", clearly telling the woman straightforward. "I am touching you inappropriately right now!"

"David Cop A Feel" is a very sexual innuendo.

Personally, he knew he was gonna be touching them at a inappropriate area. And he made that joke thinking it's funny to kinda trivalise it. Otherwise, he wouldn't make that joke!
He really does not have to touch them at all except shake their hand to show warmth.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 5:13:25 PM   
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The hip is still part of the butt.

The hip is as much a part of the butt as the urethra is part of the vagina.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/26/2017 5:29:50 PM   
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I mean, why are people defending that it is okay for a man in a wheelchair to touch a woman on her hips or butt without her permission?


because, as ive said, when a person is in a wheelchair and puts his arm around someone, that's where his arm falls. as I said, its analogous to a standing man putting an arm on someones shoulder.

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"David Cop A Feel" is a very sexual innuendo.


no, and as ive said here too; I see it as a joke that draws attention to his limitations.

and I like waywards point about people wanting photos with celebrities that are chummy in nature.

lastly, and this is really something that should be talked about in general, not just in president bush's case in particular---where does "intention" matter in all these things?

and also, why are some women seemingly okay with it and one cries foul?

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 1:21:14 AM   
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The hip is still part of the butt.

The hip is as much a part of the butt as the urethra is part of the vagina.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 2:06:17 AM   
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The hip is still part of the butt.

The hip is as much a part of the butt as the urethra is part of the vagina.



The Blue Line is the hips and it IS part of the butt! Unless you guys are all blind! And unless you women just feel it is appropriate for any men to put his hands there for photo taking.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 4:30:13 AM   
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let me try this using slightly different phrasing.

its appropriate, or at least potentially so for a man to put his hand there for photo taking when that man is confined to a wheelchair.

its probably not appropriate for a man who is standing to put his hand there.

the joke is not an attempt to cover up a sexual thrill seeking. its an attempt to do this: it recognizes the area in question is a personal one yet at the same time its giving the listener the opportunity to say hey "youre in a wheelchair and I know this is where you arm/hand as to go, so no big deal."

also---an interesting photograph. when a woman goes to have her measurements taking by a tailor---the guy would touch her hips in doing so.

so no, its not "just any man" who can touch her there---its her tailor and men in wheelchairs posing for friendly photos, or at least seemingly so for some people, but not for the recently complaining one.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 4:38:18 AM   
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The hip is still part of the butt.

The hip is as much a part of the butt as the urethra is part of the vagina.



The Blue Line is the hips and it IS part of the butt! Unless you guys are all blind! And unless you women just feel it is appropriate for any men to put his hands there for photo taking.

The blue line also goes across the bottom of her tummy: is that supposed to be part of her butt as well?

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 7:24:37 AM   
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also---an interesting photograph. when a woman goes to have her measurements taking by a tailor---the guy would touch her hips in doing so.


The tailor usually has to ask permission before touching her. Like a male tailor always ask me if I want to measure myself or can he do it. I usually choose to measure myself while he guides me where to measure. Even with male doctors, they need to ask permission if they can touch you to examine you and also have a female present in the room at all time so that you aren't alone with him. If you say no, they must provide a female to do the examination instead.

He wouldn't go ahead and measure me at my hips as without my permission, at least in my country, it would be criminal offense for him to touch my hips without my permission.

And my regular tailor who fix all my clothes, as I like to customise my dresses, as well as I got wide hips, so I often need my hip area enlarge. Actually is a male.

I think the disagreement basically is that, you think "David cop a feel" is a perfectly innocent joke to make him putting his arms around her butt less awkward. While to me, it was an admission of intentional molestation when followed up with actions.

But do not forget Lind's actual incident is that, she tried to shake his hand, he refuses, but he pat her in the rear, and then make the david cop a feel joke after doing that, thinking it's funny, and then later during picture taking, again put his hand at her rear.

The whole sequence just screams molestation.

On top of that, both women claim Barbara chastise Bush Senior for it. So his wife knew her husband was doing inappropriate behaviour. At this point, I don't think either women was making anything up. As the spokesperson of Senior Bush verify that it actually did happened.

I think even if it's my own father in a wheelchair, it would still be inappropriate to put his arms around my bum!

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 7:37:16 AM   
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The tailor usually has to ask permission before touching her. Like a male tailor always ask me if I want to measure myself or can he do it. I usually choose to measure myself while he guides me where to measure.


that's a relevant comment right there---im going to venture forth saying that it didn't always used to be that way. that is, tailors just went ahead and did their job and the women accepted it. its only now in this heightened day of sexual harassment/personal space/litigation, etc. that "permission" needs to be asked.

I also know this, unfortunately first hand, from being a lab instructor and having one paradigm in mind for myself from my past, and a female student having her own particular paradigm in conflict with mine.

the whole sequence does not scream molestation. it screams a man in a wheelchair putting his arm around a women, one of whom is offended by it. it doesn't even rise to the level of a tempest in a teapot.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/27/2017 5:32:11 PM   
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The hip is still part of the butt.

The hip is as much a part of the butt as the urethra is part of the vagina.

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Hit JVoV up. He owes me one, you can have it.

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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/28/2017 8:58:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your initial instinct and belief were correct on this occasion Greta75. Pay no heed to the naysayers – who are usually the Right Wing Nutters scarily denying actual reality whilst harping on about Randy Bill, and attacking me in their usual whimsical mannerisms minus debate/issues at hand (for reasons I will never fully understand for they have a them and us mentality, and damn the truth no matter the cost). I expect the good ones will apologize to you.

I came across this article on the BBC today.
George Bush Snr faces third accusation of groping http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41771986
In essence he almost certainly did it and on numerous occasions but he does suffer from dementia Greta75.

I will defend Bush Snr but I am not going to defend the allegations surrounding Randy Bill and especially Trump.
But they should keep women a couple feet away from Bush Snr.


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RE: HW Bush also sexually assault someone while in a wh... - 10/28/2017 11:08:56 AM   
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Up to 4 allegations now-- this one from the pre-wheelchair days.

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