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MrRodgers -> Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 11:03:57 AM)

“We are all Flint,” Professor Rauh says. “We will look back on it as something shameful.”

The pesticide, which belongs to a class of chemicals developed as a nerve gas made by Nazi Germany, is now found in food, air and drinking water. Human and animal studies show that it damages the brain and reduces I.Q.s while causing tremors among children. It has also been linked to lung cancer and Parkinson’s disease in adults.

Trump appointed a council veteran along with toxicologist with a history of taking council money to defend carcinogens.

In effect, Trump appointed two foxes to be Special Assistant for Guarding the Henhouse.

This chemical, chlorpyrifos, is hard to pronounce, so let’s just call it Dow Chemical Company’s Nerve Gas Pesticide. Even if you haven’t heard of it, it may be inside you: One 2012 study found that it was in the umbilical cord blood of 87 percent of newborn babies tested.

The Environmental Protection Agency actually banned Dow’s Nerve Gas Pesticide for most indoor residential use 17 years ago — so it’s no longer found in the Raid you spray at cockroaches (it’s very effective, which is why it’s so widely used; then again, don’t suggest this to Dow, but sarin nerve gas might be even more effective!). The E.P.A. was preparing to ban it for agricultural and outdoor use this spring, but then the Trump administration rejected the ban.

Here’s the big picture: The $800 billion chemical industry lavishes money on politicians and lobbies its way out of effective regulation. This has always been a problem, but now the Trump administration has gone so far as to choose chemical industry lobbyists to oversee environmental protections. The American Academy of Pediatrics protested the administration’s decision on the nerve gas pesticide, but officials sided with industry over doctors. The swamp won.

Boy, this crowd better stay away from those veggies and fruits hey ?

Who's up for a little nerve gas today, I got the game on ? The capitalist plutocracy (make a profit no matter the costs to society) is alive and well in the form of a rich bubbly brew of color-of-money green swamp.

The nazis were good at this shit, (true story) so why not take advantage ?

HERE




heavyblinker -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 11:14:21 AM)

It's not even a swamp anymore.
It's an open sewer.




servantforuse -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 11:34:43 AM)

I guess Obama didn't care to much about this either.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 11:36:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I guess Obama didn't care to much about this either.

Did Obama campaign on draining the swamp?




servantforuse -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 11:54:03 AM)

No, He campaigned on hope and change. We got neither.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 11:56:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

No, He campaigned on hope and change. We got neither.

When the tangerine bawbag drains the swamp, you can complain about that without looking like you're playing favourites.




bounty44 -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 12:28:43 PM)

"Trump’s EPA Opens Fire Against NYT Writer For Writing ‘Elitist Clickbait’"

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An Environmental Protection Agency spokeswoman lobbed rhetorical missiles at The New York Times Saturday after the newspaper asked the agency a series of questions about regulatory rules governing toxic chemicals.

NYT writer Eric Lipton wrote a piece detailing how EPA appointee Nancy Beck is supposedly directing the agency to weaken regulations targeting toxic chemicals. The agency refused to answer Lipton’s request for comment and instead lashed out on his biased reporting against the EPA.

“No matter how much information we give you, you would never write a fair piece,” Liz Bowman, a spokeswoman for the agency, told Lipton in an email about his coverage of the EPA during the past several months. Beck, a one-time executive at the American Chemistry Council, has repeatedly pushed for changes to various chemical regulations.

“The only thing inappropriate and biased is your continued fixation on writing elitist clickbait trying to attack qualified professionals committed to serving their country,” said Bowman, who also worked at the American Chemistry Council before joining the administration.

Lipton’s report lays out how Beck intended to rewrite a rule governing Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), a so-called legacy chemical that has been linked to kidney cancer, immune system disorders and other health problems. It has traditionally been used in non-stick frying pans.

The changes could result in an “underestimation of the potential risks to human health and the environment” from PFOA and other chemicals that are no longer sold on the market, the Office of Water’s top official noted in an internal document TheNYT obtained.

Bowman has not responded to The Daily Caller New Foundation’s repeated requests for information regarding the validity of Lipton findings, most of which suggest industry insiders are purposely eroding the agency’s regulatory mission.

The agency has a history of fighting to ban more and more chemicals and pesticides. Chief Scott Pruitt, for instance, overrode recommendations in March from agency scientists and other senior officials to ban the pesticide chlorpyrifos that regulators believe causes developmental problems in children.

Lipton and the EPA have a history of engaging in verbal spats about regulations pertaining to chemicals and pesticides.

The agency accused the paper in August of reporting “false facts” about Pruitt’s decision in March not to ban chlorpyrifos. EPA claims Lipton and his colleague Roni Rabin withheld information from an Aug. 18 article showing an appeals court upheld the EPA’s ruling.

TheNYT made the “drastic” decision to omit “words from the EPA’s one-sentence statement in response to their story that reminded Americans that the USDA had scientific concerns about banning this pesticide,” the EPA noted in a press statement at the time.

“Taking emails out of context doesn’t change the fact that we continue to examine the science surrounding chlorpyrifos, while taking into account USDA’s scientific concerns with methodology used by the previous administration,” EPA spokesman Amy Graham wrote.

The article included the first portion of the email, but redacted relevant portions referring to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) belief the former administration relied on faulty science to determine the pesticide’s future.


EPA officials have lashed out at other media outlets in the past for their “misleading” reporting on agency actions. The agency targeted The Associated Press earlier this year for suggesting President Donald Trump’s administration did not respond to the damage Hurricane Harvey did to toxic waste sites in Houston, Texas...


http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/23/trumps-epa-opens

but its much easier to do this isn't it:

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BoscoX -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 12:33:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"The article included the first portion of the email, but redacted relevant portions referring to the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) belief the former administration relied on faulty science to determine the pesticide’s future."


Typical NYT fake news propaganda then [:D]




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 12:38:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

No, He campaigned on hope and change. We got neither.

Now we have negative change.




JVoV -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 1:12:13 PM)

Because science! Bitches!

Obviously, the Obama Administration was using fake science. So Trump appointed self-described "leading advocate against the EPA's activist agenda" Scott Pruitt, former senator and lawyer, to head the EPA so that science would stop being so fucking inconvenient.




Valendar -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 1:29:47 PM)

A tremendous man such as trump, well after he is done raping his own kids and bitches who were clearly asking for I cannot be rebuffed?

You should let him get away with it all,,,rumour has it he likes to start with the 13 years olds and hi own wiofe skaps his hand away in account f he is sick in head




bounty44 -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 1:35:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Because science! Bitches!

Obviously, the Obama Administration was using fake science. So Trump appointed self-described "leading advocate against the EPA's activist agenda" Scott Pruitt, former senator and lawyer, to head the EPA so that science would stop being so fucking inconvenient.


seriously?

theres a difference between "fake science" and problematic methodology but one is right to raise concerns about both. sarcasm doesn't change the need for a sound method.

whats more, the skepticism came from the USDA, not Pruitt.




Nnanji -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:01:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Because science! Bitches!

Obviously, the Obama Administration was using fake science. So Trump appointed self-described "leading advocate against the EPA's activist agenda" Scott Pruitt, former senator and lawyer, to head the EPA so that science would stop being so fucking inconvenient.


seriously?

theres a difference between "fake science" and problematic methodology but one is right to raise concerns about both. sarcasm doesn't change the need for a sound method.

whats more, the skepticism came from the USDA, not Pruitt.

Generally I find when organizations like the NYT or CNN write this sort of thing it's generally a half truth directed at their base to get them all fired up. Heaven forbid, if they had a concern, listing the pros and cons so reader can decide, that would inhibit subscriptions.

It's good tin foil hat shit though.




ownedslavejulia -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:08:38 PM)

I can actually cite 20 000 Trump lies in 10 months. But you have the floor..to shit on. Commence howler bottom parts. I am fair looking forward to this debate




JVoV -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:09:47 PM)

And the USDA is headed up by a career politician with a veterinary degree, not a scientist. (No evidence of working as a vet in a brief search online)

And while Sonny Perdue is of no relation to the Perdue Chicken people, the phrase "fox guarding the henhouse" is still appropriate.




servantforuse -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:43:12 PM)

Just the opposite. You just don't like the changes. Brace yourself. Many more to come in the next 7 years.




bounty44 -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:45:09 PM)

you don't get a vet degree without understanding sound science. also, one doesn't have to be a "scientist" to understand rigorous research methods or valid conclusions.

at the same time, its a safe bet its not the agency heads that are making unilateral decisions/raising questions in isolation, its teams of people.

quote:

Sonny Perdue came by his knowledge of agriculture the old fashioned way: he was born into a farming family in Bonaire, Georgia. From childhood, and through his life in business and elected office, Perdue has experienced the industry from every possible perspective. Uniquely qualified as a former farmer, agribusinessman, veterinarian, state legislator, and governor of Georgia, he became the 31st United States Secretary of Agriculture on April 25, 2017.


https://www.usda.gov/our-agency/about-usda/our-secretary

quote:

On January 18, 2017, incoming President Donald Trump announced that he would nominate Perdue to be United States Secretary of Agriculture. The United States Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry overwhelmingly approved his nomination on March 30, with a 19-1 vote. The sole vote against him came from Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY). Senator David Perdue (R-GA) abstained, as he is the nominee's first cousin. He was confirmed by the Senate on April 24,[41] and sworn in by Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas.[42]

During his tenure as Secretary of Agriculture, Perdue has focused on helping new farmers get started in agriculture.[43] In August 2017, he announced a mentoring program for new farmers. Others issues addressed by Perdue include assisting rural communities, helping farmers operate with less regulation, increasing exports, passing the 2018 Farm Bill, and addressing crop damage caused by dicamba.[44]


he's also, somewhat, kicked ass in all the elections he's been in, the first one as a democrat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Perdue




bounty44 -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:57:41 PM)

I agree, but you know at the same time nnanji---well, everyone for that matter---all of life is a balancing act between the pros and cons of any given thing and we all draw the line at different places and to make it even more problematic, we value different things.

whats acceptable risk, whats not. which camp to lean towards when things are at odds with each other.

whats particularly irksome is when posters demagogue the people involved with cries of things like "capitalist pig" or "youre okay with killing children" and other hysterical nonsense like that.

are there indeed people in government service or private industry who have failed in the ethical standards of their positions, sure, but on the whole, people want to do right by others.




Nnanji -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 2:59:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

And the USDA is headed up by a career politician with a veterinary degree, not a scientist. (No evidence of working as a vet in a brief search online)

And while Sonny Perdue is of no relation to the Perdue Chicken people, the phrase "fox guarding the henhouse" is still appropriate.

Funny thing is, since Eisenhower we haven't had a professional soldier as president even though the president is commander in Chief. I think we put civilians in positions like president and various department heads in order to keep an eye on the professionals as much as any other reason. I don't have a problem with that at all.




JVoV -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 4:03:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

you don't get a vet degree without understanding sound science. also, one doesn't have to be a "scientist" to understand rigorous research methods or valid conclusions.

at the same time, its a safe bet its not the agency heads that are making unilateral decisions/raising questions in isolation, its teams of people.

quote:

Sonny Perdue came by his knowledge of agriculture the old fashioned way: he was born into a farming family in Bonaire, Georgia. From childhood, and through his life in business and elected office, Perdue has experienced the industry from every possible perspective. Uniquely qualified as a former farmer, agribusinessman, veterinarian, state legislator, and governor of Georgia, he became the 31st United States Secretary of Agriculture on April 25, 2017.


https://www.usda.gov/our-agency/about-usda/our-secretary

quote:

On January 18, 2017, incoming President Donald Trump announced that he would nominate Perdue to be United States Secretary of Agriculture. The United States Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry overwhelmingly approved his nomination on March 30, with a 19-1 vote. The sole vote against him came from Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY). Senator David Perdue (R-GA) abstained, as he is the nominee's first cousin. He was confirmed by the Senate on April 24,[41] and sworn in by Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas.[42]

During his tenure as Secretary of Agriculture, Perdue has focused on helping new farmers get started in agriculture.[43] In August 2017, he announced a mentoring program for new farmers. Others issues addressed by Perdue include assisting rural communities, helping farmers operate with less regulation, increasing exports, passing the 2018 Farm Bill, and addressing crop damage caused by dicamba.[44]


he's also, somewhat, kicked ass in all the elections he's been in, the first one as a democrat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Perdue



I can't argue Perdue's success in politics. I did find that he worked briefly as a vet in Raleigh, NC after his time in the Air Force. After his exit from the political stage, Perdue became a founding partner at Perdue Partners, an Atlanta-based economic development firm specializing in global commodities trade and consulting services.

And I'm not going to argue that Obama-era regulations weren't/aren't oppressive to farmers or other businesses. But honestly, I would rather give family farmers tax breaks, and let the conglomerates cover the costs of getting them all up to code, if that's what it takes to keep cancer-causing agents out of our food supply.

And I can say that in total honesty, now that the first days of cold are here again and the mosquitoes are gone. A month ago, I would've been ok covering my yard in DDT on a daily basis. Bastards were horrible this year, especially after Irma.




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