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JVoV -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 4:12:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

And the USDA is headed up by a career politician with a veterinary degree, not a scientist. (No evidence of working as a vet in a brief search online)

And while Sonny Perdue is of no relation to the Perdue Chicken people, the phrase "fox guarding the henhouse" is still appropriate.

Funny thing is, since Eisenhower we haven't had a professional soldier as president even though the president is commander in Chief. I think we put civilians in positions like president and various department heads in order to keep an eye on the professionals as much as any other reason. I don't have a problem with that at all.


Political appointments are most often given to party heavyweights anymore, and maybe always have been, instead of finding the person most qualified. But these appointments are often given to people with a solid track record of getting shit done, and I can't deny Perdue certainly has that.

I'm not going to judge Perdue's actions until I can see more of what he's doing, and what rollbacks he's making in regulations, or additions for that matter to them for that matter.




bounty44 -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 4:40:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
And I'm not going to argue that Obama-era regulations weren't/aren't oppressive to farmers or other businesses. But honestly, I would rather give family farmers tax breaks, and let the conglomerates cover the costs of getting them all up to code, if that's what it takes to keep cancer-causing agents out of our food supply.


I think my earlier reply to nnanji works here too:

"all of life is a balancing act between the pros and cons of any given thing and we all draw the line at different places and to make it even more problematic, we value different things.

"whats acceptable risk, whats not. which camp to lean towards when things are at odds with each other.

"whats particularly irksome is when posters demagogue the people involved with cries of things like "capitalist pig" or "youre okay with killing children" and other hysterical nonsense like that.

"are there indeed people in government service or private industry who have failed in the ethical standards of their positions, sure, but on the whole, people want to do right by others. "


no one wants cancer causing agents on their food but no one wants to pay 5 dollars a pound for their tomatoes either.

what seems to be going on here is skepticism concerning the quality of research used to determine the goodness/badness of the pesticide in question.

its interesting you brought up ddt---it has a singular history, and a tragic one to a very large degree, over this very issue.

questionable science creating policies that ban/banned it and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of lives lost because of it.








MrRodgers -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 9:24:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

No, He campaigned on hope and change. We got neither.

Obama had in place a prohibition of this pesticide. Trump is lifting it. Be prepared for the further contamination of our environment. It's already present in our systems even having been banned domestically as it says...for 17 years.




LTE -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 9:39:12 PM)

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In effect, Trump appointed two foxes to be Special Assistant for Guarding the Henhouse.

This chemical, chlorpyrifos, is hard to pronounce, so let’s just call it Dow Chemical Company’s Nerve Gas Pesticide. Even if you haven’t heard of it, it may be inside you: One 2012 study found that it was in the umbilical cord blood of 87 percent of newborn babies tested.



So. You throw half ass facts and a few personal positions at us and somehow tie Trump into it.

We won. Get over it.




LTE -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/29/2017 9:43:01 PM)

or not. Toss and turn tonight and stay pissed. I kinda like that option for you better!




heavyblinker -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 1:23:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/23/trumps-epa-opens

but its much easier to do this isn't it:

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Yeah, who would have ever expected Pruitt's new anti-EPA EPA to keep pretending that they aren't more about destroying the environment than protecting it?
This is frankly shocking.

And obviously it was 'faulty science'! Anything that hurts business is! If you can't trust the GOP-run Department of Agriculture to be honest about these things, then who can you trust?

FFS bounty, this shit is just redundant.
Does anyone alive still think that anyone in the GOP will ever advocate any regulations against anything at all when it comes to the environment?




heavyblinker -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 1:26:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LTE

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In effect, Trump appointed two foxes to be Special Assistant for Guarding the Henhouse.

This chemical, chlorpyrifos, is hard to pronounce, so let’s just call it Dow Chemical Company’s Nerve Gas Pesticide. Even if you haven’t heard of it, it may be inside you: One 2012 study found that it was in the umbilical cord blood of 87 percent of newborn babies tested.



So. You throw half ass facts and a few personal positions at us and somehow tie Trump into it.

We won. Get over it.


Winning an election means you're always right about everything and nothing you do must ever be criticized?
Wow, that's some really sound reasoning.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 5:41:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Winning an election means you're always right about everything and nothing you do must ever be criticized?
Wow, that's some really sound reasoning.

A republican assumption that goes back to the Nixon presidency at least.
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."




BoscoX -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 6:16:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

A republican assumption that goes back to the Nixon presidency at least.
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."


In reality, Mr. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in recent decades. Here’s a partial list:

• State Department email. In an effort to evade federal open-records laws, Mr. Obama’s first secretary of state set up a private server, which she used exclusively to conduct official business, including communications with the president and the transmission of classified material. A federal criminal investigation produced no charges, but FBI Director James Comey reported that the secretary and her colleagues “were extremely careless” in handling national secrets.

• Operation Fast and Furious. The Obama Justice Department lost track of thousands of guns it had allowed to pass into the hands of suspected smugglers, in the hope of tracing them to Mexican drug cartels. One of the guns was used in the fatal 2010 shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Congress held then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt when he refused to turn over documents about the operation.

• IRS abuses. Mr. Obama’s Internal Revenue Service did something Richard Nixon only dreamed of doing: It successfully targeted political opponents. The Justice Department then refused to enforce Congress’s contempt citation against the IRS’s Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions about her agency’s misconduct.

• Benghazi. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others were killed in the attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya. With less than two months to go before the 2012 election, the State Department falsely claimed the attack was not a terrorist attack but a reaction to an anti-Muslim film. Emails from the secretary later showed that she knew the attack was terrorism. Justice Department prosecutors even convinced a magistrate judge to jail the filmmaker.

• Hacking. Mr. Obama presided over the biggest data breach in the federal government’s history, at the Office of Personnel Management. The hack exposed the personnel files of millions of federal employees and may end up being used for everything from identity theft to blackmail and espionage. OPM Director Katherine Archuleta, the president’s former political director, had been warned repeatedly about security deficiencies but took no steps to fix them.

• Veterans Affairs. At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at a Phoenix VA facility, many of whom had been on a secret waiting list—part of an effort to conceal that between 1,400 and 1,600 veterans were forced to wait months for appointments. A 2014 internal VA audit found “57,436 newly enrolled veterans facing a minimum 90-day wait for medical care; 63,869 veterans who enrolled over the past decade requesting an appointment that never happened.” Even Mr. Obama admitted, in a November 2016 press conference, that “it was scandalous what happened”—though minutes earlier he boasted that “we will—knock on wood—leave this administration without significant scandal.”

All of these scandals were accompanied by a lack of transparency so severe that 47 of Mr. Obama’s 73 inspectors general signed an open letter in 2014 decrying the administration’s stonewalling of their investigations.

One reason for Mr. Obama’s penchant for secrecy is his habit of breaking rules—from not informing Congress of the dubious prisoner swap involving Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and the Taliban, to violating restrictions on cash transfers to Iran as part of a hostage-release deal.

The president’s journalistic allies are happily echoing the “scandal-free” myth. Time’s Joe Klein claims Mr. Obama has had “absolutely no hint of scandal” in his presidency. The media’s failure to cover the Obama administration critically has been a scandal in itself—but at least the president can’t be blamed for that one.

http://www.heritage.org/political-process/commentary/obamas-scandal-free-administration-myth




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 6:18:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

A republican assumption that goes back to the Nixon presidency at least.
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."


In reality, Mr. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in recent decades.

Really?
Why wasn't he impeached, then?




stef -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 9:17:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

In reality, Mr. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in recent decades.

Really?
Why wasn't he impeached, then?

Being black isn't an impeachable offense in any "reality" aside from Bosco's.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 9:19:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

In reality, Mr. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in recent decades.

Really?
Why wasn't he impeached, then?

Being black isn't an impeachable offense in any "reality" aside from Bosco's.

[:D]
Definitely scandalous, though: the tea party had made that clear even before el presidente's election campaign started reaching out to the klansmen, neo nazis and other white supremacists last year.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 10:09:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LTE

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In effect, Trump appointed two foxes to be Special Assistant for Guarding the Henhouse.

This chemical, chlorpyrifos, is hard to pronounce, so let’s just call it Dow Chemical Company’s Nerve Gas Pesticide. Even if you haven’t heard of it, it may be inside you: One 2012 study found that it was in the umbilical cord blood of 87 percent of newborn babies tested.



So. You throw half ass facts and a few personal positions at us and somehow tie Trump into it.

We won. Get over it.

These are full-assed facts and with nothing personal here. Trump is putting in his own swamp that has a very profitable resemblance of repub, establishment, rent-seeking swamp.

Maybe Trump will turn out to be the ultimate plutocrat with policies the likes of which should make many like him on the right, drool in exciting anticipation of the next move, putting profits ahead of health.

Won't help his base supporters because all he wanted was their votes and will pursue none of their policy interests. He does make for some good comedy though. Here is a guy you don't laugh with...you laugh at.

It is the very election of this intellectual pipsqueak and moron not to mention a blowhard charlatan that I can't get over and...I don't have to..

Plus I will tell you, 'you' didn't win shit. If anyone thinks that Trump the profiteering, greedy capitalist scum will improve the lives of the poor or middle-class [white] man in the US, [you] are somewhat delusional and will be sorely disappointed.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 10:34:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Plus I will tell you, 'you' didn't win shit. If anyone thinks that Trump the profiteering, greedy capitalist scum will improve the lives of the poor or middle-class [white] man in the US, [you] are somewhat delusional and will be sorely disappointed.

They've invested too much in the cheeto-faced, ferret-haired tiny-fingered shitgibbon to be capable of admitting that, however thoroughly he fucks them over, though.
I mean seriously: do you think people who are still making excuses for that now are going to be capable of admitting that they were wrong to vote for him in the first place? Ain't gonna happen.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 11:02:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Plus I will tell you, 'you' didn't win shit. If anyone thinks that Trump the profiteering, greedy capitalist scum will improve the lives of the poor or middle-class [white] man in the US, [you] are somewhat delusional and will be sorely disappointed.

They've invested too much in the cheeto-faced, ferret-haired tiny-fingered shitgibbon to be capable of admitting that, however thoroughly he fucks them over, though.
I mean seriously: do you think people who are still making excuses for that now are going to be capable of admitting that they were wrong to vote for him in the first place? Ain't gonna happen.

Oh well you are quite correct of course as we (the right) could always blame Jimmy Carter for ALL of the country's problems. Then it was the 'womanizer' [sic] (look at us now Mom) that caused all of our problems. Now it's Obama.

So yes, every single time the right takes and leaves power...everything that went right, was because of the right's people and policies and that which went wrong was all the lefties fault. Someone, anyone...pick one.

Everything that went wrong was the fault of some dem or lefty or give me a minute.....?

I mean it's really getting ridiculous funny as without a majority in either house of congress, the dems are still being blamed for wholly repub problems. It would be funny if not so tragic for the future of the US.




WhoreMods -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 11:10:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Plus I will tell you, 'you' didn't win shit. If anyone thinks that Trump the profiteering, greedy capitalist scum will improve the lives of the poor or middle-class [white] man in the US, [you] are somewhat delusional and will be sorely disappointed.

They've invested too much in the cheeto-faced, ferret-haired tiny-fingered shitgibbon to be capable of admitting that, however thoroughly he fucks them over, though.
I mean seriously: do you think people who are still making excuses for that now are going to be capable of admitting that they were wrong to vote for him in the first place? Ain't gonna happen.

Oh well you are quite correct of course as we (the right) could always blame Jimmy Carter for ALL of the country's problems. Then it was the 'womanizer' [sic] (look at us now Mom) that caused all of our problems. Now it's Obama.

So yes, every single time the right takes and leaves power...everything that went right, was because of the right's people and policies and that which went wrong was all the lefties fault. Someone, anyone...pick one.

Everything that went wrong was the fault of some dem or lefty or give me a minute.....?

I mean it's really getting ridiculous funny as without a majority in either house of congress, the dems are still being blamed for wholly repub problems. It would be funny if not so tragic for the future of the US.

I just look at it as being like a drink or drugs problem, myself: apparently you have to hit rock bottom before you'll realise that your problem needs to be cured, and if Nixon or Cheney's dancing monlkey weren't rock bottom then they have to go pretty fucking low before their rehabilitation can begin. Who knows? The orange cockwomble may be the man to make the problem they've been denying since the '60s clear to them...




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 3:28:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

A republican assumption that goes back to the Nixon presidency at least.
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."


In reality, Mr. Obama has presided over some of the worst scandals of any president in recent decades. Here’s a partial list:

• State Department email. In an effort to evade federal open-records laws, Mr. Obama’s first secretary of state set up a private server, which she used exclusively to conduct official business, including communications with the president and the transmission of classified material. A federal criminal investigation produced no charges, but FBI Director James Comey reported that the secretary and her colleagues “were extremely careless” in handling national secrets.

• Operation Fast and Furious. The Obama Justice Department lost track of thousands of guns it had allowed to pass into the hands of suspected smugglers, in the hope of tracing them to Mexican drug cartels. One of the guns was used in the fatal 2010 shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Congress held then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt when he refused to turn over documents about the operation.

• IRS abuses. Mr. Obama’s Internal Revenue Service did something Richard Nixon only dreamed of doing: It successfully targeted political opponents. The Justice Department then refused to enforce Congress’s contempt citation against the IRS’s Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions about her agency’s misconduct.

• Benghazi. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others were killed in the attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya. With less than two months to go before the 2012 election, the State Department falsely claimed the attack was not a terrorist attack but a reaction to an anti-Muslim film. Emails from the secretary later showed that she knew the attack was terrorism. Justice Department prosecutors even convinced a magistrate judge to jail the filmmaker.

• Hacking. Mr. Obama presided over the biggest data breach in the federal government’s history, at the Office of Personnel Management. The hack exposed the personnel files of millions of federal employees and may end up being used for everything from identity theft to blackmail and espionage. OPM Director Katherine Archuleta, the president’s former political director, had been warned repeatedly about security deficiencies but took no steps to fix them.

• Veterans Affairs. At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at a Phoenix VA facility, many of whom had been on a secret waiting list—part of an effort to conceal that between 1,400 and 1,600 veterans were forced to wait months for appointments. A 2014 internal VA audit found “57,436 newly enrolled veterans facing a minimum 90-day wait for medical care; 63,869 veterans who enrolled over the past decade requesting an appointment that never happened.” Even Mr. Obama admitted, in a November 2016 press conference, that “it was scandalous what happened”—though minutes earlier he boasted that “we will—knock on wood—leave this administration without significant scandal.”

All of these scandals were accompanied by a lack of transparency so severe that 47 of Mr. Obama’s 73 inspectors general signed an open letter in 2014 decrying the administration’s stonewalling of their investigations.

One reason for Mr. Obama’s penchant for secrecy is his habit of breaking rules—from not informing Congress of the dubious prisoner swap involving Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl and the Taliban, to violating restrictions on cash transfers to Iran as part of a hostage-release deal.

The president’s journalistic allies are happily echoing the “scandal-free” myth. Time’s Joe Klein claims Mr. Obama has had “absolutely no hint of scandal” in his presidency. The media’s failure to cover the Obama administration critically has been a scandal in itself—but at least the president can’t be blamed for that one.

http://www.heritage.org/political-process/commentary/obamas-scandal-free-administration-myth

More Washington Times bullshit, (fake news) that clearly discounts every repub admin. since Eisenhower and particularly Bush II which were far worse then this bunch of bullshit spin.

Yes, the dems have pimples and aren't very attractive. The repubs are scarred with a whole lot more than acne and are...ugly as hell.




MrRodgers -> RE: Trump...the new swamp. (10/30/2017 3:37:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Plus I will tell you, 'you' didn't win shit. If anyone thinks that Trump the profiteering, greedy capitalist scum will improve the lives of the poor or middle-class [white] man in the US, [you] are somewhat delusional and will be sorely disappointed.

They've invested too much in the cheeto-faced, ferret-haired tiny-fingered shitgibbon to be capable of admitting that, however thoroughly he fucks them over, though.
I mean seriously: do you think people who are still making excuses for that now are going to be capable of admitting that they were wrong to vote for him in the first place? Ain't gonna happen.

Oh well you are quite correct of course as we (the right) could always blame Jimmy Carter for ALL of the country's problems. Then it was the 'womanizer' [sic] (look at us now Mom) that caused all of our problems. Now it's Obama.

So yes, every single time the right takes and leaves power...everything that went right, was because of the right's people and policies and that which went wrong was all the lefties fault. Someone, anyone...pick one.

Everything that went wrong was the fault of some dem or lefty or give me a minute.....?

I mean it's really getting ridiculous funny as without a majority in either house of congress, the dems are still being blamed for wholly repub problems. It would be funny if not so tragic for the future of the US.

I just look at it as being like a drink or drugs problem, myself: apparently you have to hit rock bottom before you'll realise that your problem needs to be cured, and if Nixon or Cheney's dancing monlkey weren't rock bottom then they have to go pretty fucking low before their rehabilitation can begin. Who knows? The orange cockwomble may be the man to make the problem they've been denying since the '60s clear to them...

Well it was and has been said that almost not all, of what Lincoln did back when, had a political calculation to it or purpose.

Well the repubs have taken it to a whole level as everything yes, everything they do is for purely, party political or profitable benefit for their corporate/capitalist constituency.

Standing for much longer with Trump come 2018, just might...cramp their style.




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