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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 9:35:51 AM   
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I think the assumption is that the NDA was signed after the rape but this may not be the case at all.. the rapist pig & his friends used intimidation to keep victims quiet.. I think they falsely told some or all of the women that their employment contract included a NDA clause... but it seems (from one of the articles I read) that some or probably all of them never got a copy of that, which would explain why McGowan thought she had signed a NDA and didnt go public about it for all those years... she only found out last summer that she hadnt signed one and so she was able to become very vocal about it.. which is why the rapist pigs friends then tried to bribe her with a $1 million offer to not name him....

Remember that these women that were raped by him are very young, inexperienced and it is pretty easy to intimidate them, especially when the assaulter holds their future career in his hands... its a David and Goliath situation, where the person that was raped has no power and the big rich studio head rapist pig has all of it.. he has done for 3 decades or so, he knows what will work to keep his victims quiet & get other people to help him as well.. which is why McGowan's manager (who sold her out) got a plum job with a company the rapist pig ran.. When you are young and your manager, lawyers and advisors (people you trust) are telling you there is nothing you can do and to forget about it, etc etc.. the women dont stand a chance against that.. But at least now he has been outed and he is being investigated by the cops in LA, NY & even in the UK.. he belongs in jail..


I don't think I can disagree with much of what you wrote, but I have to bring up (again) that in the U.S., it is "Black Letter Law" that a contract to do something illegal is null and void.

I hadn't thought about the fact that it might have been signed prior to the crimes. I grant that and I will take into account youth and inexperience (to a degree. That's not a blanket "get-out-of-jail" card) and that changes things, to a degree.

However, I would assume that a good portion of these NDAs were signed after the crime in an effort to further insulate Weinstain. I'll go further: There was talk about him having "settled" quite a few complaints. Certainly, those weren't part of the studio (or film production) contract? Those had to be after the fact, right?

All this isn't to say (again) that these people aren't victims and weren't damaged. My only point through all of this (and I'll amend it, slightly in light of this new avenue) has been:

"Anyone who signed a NDA after they were abused ... in order to get a settlement was NOT thinking about protecting others at the moment they signed that particular NDA. They were thinking about their careers or the check with all the zeros. This does NOT make them villains or negate the fact that they're victims, but to my mind, it don't make 'em 'heroes', either".



https://newrepublic.com/article/145606/corporations-create-culture-impunity-sexual-harassers

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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 9:48:51 AM   
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Not just corporations, Congress too.

https://apnews.com/ca32653c458c4a3e9ef07d31700c14e6

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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 10:31:35 AM   
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https://newrepublic.com/article/145606/corporations-create-culture-impunity-sexual-harassers


I read the entire article. Obviously, I'm no lawyer (but I have a relationship with one so, maybe something's "rubbed off on me"), but I am almost positive that most contracts have wording similar to: "Any part of this contract that opposes local, state, or federal law is considered void". I know the three union contracts to which I was a party had that language (or something similar).

That said, I still contend that NDAs regarding illegal activities are null (or should be), by matter of law.



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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 12:00:50 PM   
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"Anyone who signed a NDA after they were abused ... in order to get a settlement was NOT thinking about protecting others at the moment they signed that particular NDA. They were thinking about their careers or the check with all the zeros. This does NOT make them villains or negate the fact that they're victims, but to my mind, it don't make 'em 'heroes', either".


https://newrepublic.com/article/145606/corporations-create-culture-impunity-sexual-harassers

I'm gonna kind of suck at this. Be patient.

Have you ever been on a commercial airplane? Before take off, they give you this spiel in what to do in case of emergency. "Put your own oxygen mask on first before attempting to help others."

From where I sit, a hundred grand would have bought a hell of a lot of therapy. There is no logic in trying to save others, before a person has saved, themselves.




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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 12:03:31 PM   
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im wondering how long it will be before someone says that if you are a victim, you should be punished for NOT blaring it to the world.


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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 12:03:57 PM   
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I'm gonna kind of suck at this. Be patient.

Have you ever been on a commercial airplane? Before take off, they give you this spiel in what to do in case of emergency. "Put your own oxygen mask on first before attempting to help others."

From where I sit, a hundred grand would have bought a hell of a lot of therapy. There is no logic in trying to save others, before a person has saved, themselves.





In fairness to Nnanji: this:

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"Anyone who signed a NDA after they were abused ... in order to get a settlement was NOT thinking about protecting others at the moment they signed that particular NDA. They were thinking about their careers or the check with all the zeros. This does NOT make them villains or negate the fact that they're victims, but to my mind, it don't make 'em 'heroes', either".



was MY post, not his. I don't know how his name got on it.



< Message edited by DaddySatyr -- 11/3/2017 12:24:24 PM >


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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 12:35:13 PM   
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Fair enough.



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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 1:30:55 PM   
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The whole bit about an accusation and and NDA looks hinky from several directions.

Squint at it from one side and it looks like blackmail with a payout to retract an accusation and sign a "shutting up now" document.

Squint from the other side it looks like taking pay to enable a predator.

Squint and use a mirror to look from beneath it looks like Hollywood business as usual with the undercurrent of nasty exploitation on all sides.

Peak over the curtain and you see all the shiny faces virtue signalling to the heavens.

Eff it all. Don't spend a penny on any of the player's work ever again.

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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/3/2017 3:55:33 PM   
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https://newrepublic.com/article/145606/corporations-create-culture-impunity-sexual-harassers


I read the entire article. Obviously, I'm no lawyer (but I have a relationship with one so, maybe something's "rubbed off on me"), but I am almost positive that most contracts have wording similar to: "Any part of this contract that opposes local, state, or federal law is considered void". I know the three union contracts to which I was a party had that language (or something similar).

That said, I still contend that NDAs regarding illegal activities are null (or should be), by matter of law.



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It depends on who wrote the contract, doesnt it? a union contract is a more equal balance and its a negotiation (the union has its bunch of lawyers & the company/govt has its bunch of lawyers),... for actors/actresses, I expect that the employment or any contract signed within that industry is entirely written to favor only the employer/the company.. as it likely is in many other industries and companies..

Even if you are correct and an nda is void regarding illegal activities, the case of these women is that they were young and I doubt very much if they knew that to be the case with their situation.. i doubt very many people, even those much older & supposedly wiser, would know that to be true for them.. Its also taking a risk, if you are sued, can you afford the lawyers to fight someone like the rapist pig, with all his personal and company money behind him, with most people in Hollywood behind him..

Like I said, I dont think these women stood a chance.. their advisors and managers likely were looking out for themselves.. so when an actress tells her manager that rapist pig Harvey raped her, the manager goes to Harvey and asks if this is true.. guess what Harvey (likely)said.. You keep that bitch quiet, you make sure she doesnt make any waves cuz if she does, I will blackball you and every client you have and none of them will ever get any work in my movies and you will have to look for a new career somewhere else cuz your clients arent gonna stick with you if you cant get any of them any work.. Is it any wonder that the managers turn around and sell their clients out??? These women/actresses trust their managers and advisors and when that manager tells her she signed an nda and if she breaks it she will be sued into oblivion, these women believe what they are told by those they trust... It sounds like the women didnt even have a copy to read so didnt know they were being lied to.. They were lambs to the slaughter imo..


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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/6/2017 8:12:19 PM   
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This is truly sickening, takes stalking to a whole new level.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies/amp

The film executive hired private investigators, including ex-Mossad agents, to track actresses and journalists.

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RE: Pussies Grab Back! - 11/6/2017 11:11:47 PM   
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This is truly sickening, takes stalking to a whole new level.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/harvey-weinsteins-army-of-spies/amp

The film executive hired private investigators, including ex-Mossad agents, to track actresses and journalists.


When you read about how he harassed these women, loudly banging on their hotel room door, even somehow getting the key to at least one actresses room and barging in on her (she was lucky her male makeup artist was with her), and how he terrorized them, destroyed their careers, and that he has done this for 3 decades or so... my gawd..

But the more powerful, rich and influential the rapist predator pig is, the more he has to protect & the more effort, money and people he has to throw at.. It certainly explains why so many female actresses when from doing movies & being/becoming famous to disappearing overnight..

I expect McGowan's book will name a lot of names of the scum that helped the rapist pig cover things up so he could continue to rape & harass women..

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