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JVoV -> Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 3:05:07 PM)

Rose McGowan delivers fiery speech at inaugural Women's Convention: 'It’s time to rise'

LA Time article

Watch on YouTube

Full transcript here

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Pussies grab back. Women grab back. We speak, we yell, we march, we are here, we will not go away.




MercTech -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 5:02:51 PM)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000535/

I had to look up Rose McGowan to try and figure out who she was and why someone should listen to her.
After perusing her career highlights I can see she is a "also ran" type of actress in forgettable parts but no particular outstanding characteristic.

The next question is what are women inaugurating? The news coverage just keeps referring to a Women's Convention but never stating anything they are convening about.




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 5:20:15 PM)

Rose McGowan is an actress, with a fairly dedicated following.

She has been the absolute most vocal in the Harvey Weinstein scandal on Twitter, alleging that he raped her in 1997. He and/or his company also offered her a cool $1Million for her silence a month before the NYT story came out; she turned it down.

Her Charmed costar Allysa Milano reignited the #MeToo hashtag on Twitter.

The Women's March Convention this past weekend marked her first public appearance since the NYT Weinstein story came out.

in·au·gu·ral
inˈôɡ(y)ərəl/Submit
adjective
1.
marking the beginning of an institution, activity, or period of office.

Since this is the first Women's March Convention, the word 'inaugural' can only be proven with time, but seems appropriate for now.




tj444 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 6:05:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000535/

I had to look up Rose McGowan to try and figure out who she was and why someone should listen to her.
After perusing her career highlights I can see she is a "also ran" type of actress in forgettable parts but no particular outstanding characteristic.



Its hard enough for women in Hollywood to get offered good roles but when someone as powerful and influential as her rapist was, and who also blacklisted her, its not surprising you "had to look her up" & that you have that impression of her.. Thats exactly what her rapist wanted, to blacklist her and kill her career as much as possible.. raping her wasnt good enough, I guess..

"Here is Rodriguez’s account of what McGowan told him about Weinstein, the production of “Grindhouse,” and what he hopes the entertainment industry will do to reform itself in the wake of an ongoing harassment and abuse scandal. Here is his statement printed in full. A spokesperson for Harvey Weinstein had no immediate comment. A rep for McGowan declined comment.

As one of the first victims to come forward with stories of sexual assault by Harvey Weinstein, Rose McGowan is a very brave woman who I applaud for speaking out about Weinstein’s repulsive behavior.

Today over 50 remarkable women have come forward to detail the horrors they endured. This saga has been a watershed moment in our country, and now because of the courage of Rose and others, countless women who previously were unable to stand up and speak out against sexual abuse can do so without fear.

I have not previously discussed what I knew about the 1997 incident that Rose suffered in a hotel room during the Sundance Film Festival. I never wanted to do anything that jeopardized a legal settlement she entered into with Harvey Weinstein. Now that she’s able to tell her story, I want to provide an account of what I knew, when I knew it, and what I did about it.

I met Rose in Cannes on May 19, 2005, at an amfAR after party. “Sin City” had just screened at the Festival the night before. Rose and I were talking, and she told me she was a film noir fan and that she wished she could have been cast in “Sin City.” I asked her “Why didn’t you audition for it? You would have been terrific.” She said that she couldn’t because she had been blacklisted from working on any Weinstein movies. When I asked what she meant by that, and how could she possibly be blacklisted, she told me the horrifying story of what Harvey did to her seven years earlier.

My first reaction was one of shock. I recall clearly what I said next, “My God, why didn’t you say anything? People would have stood up for you! And where was your fiancé during all this? I would have at least beaten the crap out of Harvey if I had heard that.” Rose said they didn’t know what to do. She confided that a female attorney had told her that because she had done nudity in movies that no jury would believe her and that it would turn into a he said/she said case.

Rose told me that all she could do at the time was to get Harvey Weinstein to donate money to an abused women’s shelter and in return she had to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that forbade her from talking about the horrific violation without being sued, and that she shouldn’t even be telling me. To add insult to injury, she told me that she was blacklisted from even auditioning for any Weinstein movies.

Incensed at what I heard, I told Rose that she was not blacklisted from MY movies and that Harvey couldn’t tell me who to cast. The reason was that Harvey didn’t work on my movies, I made movies all those years for Dimension and Bob Weinstein. So I explained that if I cast her in my next film, Harvey couldn’t suddenly tell me no, because my first question would be “Oh, really? Why can’t I cast her?” And I was sure he would not want to tell me why.

I then revealed to Rose right then and there that I was about to start writing a movie with Quentin Tarantino, a double feature throwback to 70’s exploitation movies, and that if she was interested, I would write her a BAD ASS character and make her one of the leads. I wanted her to have a starring role in a big movie to take her OFF the blacklist, and the best part is that we would have Harvey’s new Weinstein Company pay for the whole damn thing.

Just as I finished telling Rose this, I saw Harvey walking around the party! I called Harvey over to our table, and as soon as he got close enough to see that I was sitting with Rose, his face dropped and went ghostly white. I said, “Hey Harvey, this is Rose McGowan. I think she’s amazing and really talented and I’m going to cast her in my next movie.” Harvey then dribbled all over himself in the most over the top performance I’d ever seen as he gushed, “Oh she’s wonderful, oh she’s amazing, oh she’s fantastic, oh she’s so talented… You two should definitely work together.” And then he skittered off. I knew right then that every word Rose told me was true, you could see it all over his face.

I looked over at Rose. Her mouth was open, and her eyes were wide. “WOW. I’ve never seen that before,” she said. I then told her that if she wanted a role that I would write it for her and Harvey’s company would have to fund it. Rose agreed, and the deal was done. I found it so commendable that she was putting the incident behind her and moving forward with her career. I wanted to help. We had a plan, and more importantly, we had a mission.

Since the Weinstein’s had a first look at any project of mine or Quentin’s, I knew they’d never let this project go to another studio. Casting Rose in a leading role in my next movie felt like the right move to make at the time – to literally make him pay.

But because of the NDA Rose told me she had signed, at Rose’s request I had to keep it quiet from everyone until now as to why we were even making that film together, especially Harvey. We knew that strategically we couldn’t rub it in his face why we were REALLY doing this movie, because then he’d just bury the movie, not sell it well, and everyone would lose. To our horror, Harvey buried our movie anyway, and because we did not want to risk getting sued, we never spoke publicly about the matter. It would have been much easier on both of us if we could have just revealed why we were doing it.

Even after 12 years, I will never forget sitting with Rose at that party and instantly getting inspired to create a bad ass female action heroine who loses her leg and transforms into a superhero that rights wrongs, battles adversity, mows down rapists, and survives an apocalypse to lead the lost and weary into a land of hope; all with a crackling, retro B-movie aesthetic. I’ll admit it felt really good at the time to realize we could use our art form to help Rose right a serious wrong in both how he victimized her years earlier, but also what Harvey was doing to a wonderful actress by blacklisting her and keeping her from working with filmmakers that would have wanted to work with her. At the time, it was the only thing we could do.

With great understatement, I have to say that it was a long hard road to get that movie made. And even though “Grindhouse” received great reviews, Rose got terrific notices, and the film is still a fan favorite today… it was heartbreaking to see Harvey simply bury the movie for its release."


http://variety.com/2017/film/news/robert-rodriguez-rose-mcgowan-harvey-weinstein-1202600946/




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 8:09:47 PM)

Grindhouse was a really fun movie.




Nnanji -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 8:20:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Grindhouse was a really fun movie.

I enjoyed it. She did well in it.




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 8:28:20 PM)

I'm wondering how much she told the writers & cast of Charmed at the time. It seems now like her character Paige had a ton of bosses & co-workers that were sexually harassing people, and she'd be the one to take care of it.




Nnanji -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 8:32:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I'm wondering how much she told the writers & cast of Charmed at the time. It seems now like her character Paige had a ton of bosses & co-workers that were sexually harassing people, and she'd be the one to take care of it.

Robert Rodriguez said he wrote the Grindhouse part for her after he heard the rape story and that Weinstein blackballed her, just to back her. So at least that was because she told the writer/producer. You're observation may be on point.




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 8:48:07 PM)

She kinda sucks at the whole 'nondisclosure' thing, huh?




tj444 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 9:12:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

She kinda sucks at the whole 'nondisclosure' thing, huh?


She isnt as naive now as she was then... That happened what, about 20 years or so ago???? because of the Nondisclosure thing that pig has been able to continue to sexually harass, intimidate and rape countless more women!... what exactly can he do to her now, he black listed her, he destroyed pretty much any chance her career had, and dont forget that he raped her!.. wtf can he do about her disclosing that he is a rapist & predator now? he should be in jail.. At least he wont get the chance to rape any more women on the casting couch.. I hope you arent of the opinion that she should have continued to stay silent (til the day she died?) and let him continue his predatory illegal rapist ways..




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (10/31/2017 9:35:06 PM)

No, I have tremendous respect for her for telling other potential victims, in order to protect them, as she did with her Charmed costars.

Since I haven't read the NDA myself, I can't say if it was specific to speaking to the media, or for a set number of years, or what. I do hope that she has discussed the potential backlash with an attorney though.




Lucylastic -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 3:33:20 AM)

If she needs a go fund me page to pay the price for legalities to the NDA, I'll chip in.
And to anyone else who needs to break their NDA to uncover rapists. That goes for guys and gals




tweakabelle -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 6:50:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

If she needs a go fund me page to pay the price for legalities to the NDA, I'll chip in.
And to anyone else who needs to break their NDA to uncover rapists. That goes for guys and gals


#me too




MercTech -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 7:47:20 AM)

Ah, now I remember who Rose McGowan is... the movie poster whiner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcDowKWxqEs




WhoreMods -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 7:55:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I'm wondering how much she told the writers & cast of Charmed at the time. It seems now like her character Paige had a ton of bosses & co-workers that were sexually harassing people, and she'd be the one to take care of it.

Robert Rodriguez said he wrote the Grindhouse part for her after he heard the rape story and that Weinstein blackballed her, just to back her. So at least that was because she told the writer/producer. You're observation may be on point.

I wonder if Rose McGowan being blacklisted by Weinstein coincided with Herman MunsterMarilyn Manson dumping her for Dita von Teese? Not sure if the dates match or not, but it'd be another blow against Herman's claims to be a champion of free speech if he dumped her for a replacement model because her career was being nobbled by somebody Herman wouldn't have dared say a word against.




JVoV -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 8:11:18 AM)

McGowan & Manson split in 2001. According to her, his drug use was the primary issue. This is the same year she replaced Shannen Doherty on Charmed, which was a huge role for her.

The rape occurred in '97 though, so I'd imagine the blacklisting happened very shortly after.




Nnanji -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 8:17:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

She kinda sucks at the whole 'nondisclosure' thing, huh?

It was only for $100,000. She can probably afford to give that back now and I think Weinstein is probably going to have trouble finding a jury to back him collecting from her. But, ya, it doesn't seem to be her best thing.




Greta75 -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 8:25:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000535/

I had to look up Rose McGowan to try and figure out who she was and why someone should listen to her.

Being a big fan of Charm and Planet Terror! Always loved Rose McGowan.

She was also the *I think* the first woman celebrity who don the nude dress. Before Rihanna or whatever modern celebrity women did it to the point where it's acceptable now!

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DaddySatyr -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 8:31:50 AM)


On the whole "NDA" subject ...

I'm assuming they're signed fairly shortly after an incident?

I know it's an assumption, but I'm going to go with it:

I make allowances for trauma. I have PTSD, myself. That said, I can't help, but feel some ... I want to be careful, here ... I can't think of the word.

I think that anyone that signs an NDA, at the time that they sign it, are thinking less about protecting others and more about getting that check that requires an NDA to begin with.

I admit: my thinking could be wrong on this, but I think I worded it correctly so, I will probably stand by it.



Michael




Nnanji -> RE: Pussies Grab Back! (11/1/2017 9:03:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


On the whole "NDA" subject ...

I'm assuming they're signed fairly shortly after an incident?

I know it's an assumption, but I'm going to go with it:

I make allowances for trauma. I have PTSD, myself. That said, I can't help, but feel some ... I want to be careful, here ... I can't think of the word.

I think that anyone that signs an NDA, at the time that they sign it, are thinking less about protecting others and more about getting that check that requires an NDA to begin with.

I admit: my thinking could be wrong on this, but I think I worded it correctly so, I will probably stand by it.



Michael


I'm sure you're correct. In this case it was a tool of a powerful man used to further stifle a traumatized victim. I'd personally not believe it was binding if I sat on a jury with Weinstein claiming a contractual breach. The only power it had, in my opinion, is gone now that Weinstein hasn't the power to blackball her anymore.




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