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JVoV -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 3:37:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

why isnt he saying this guy should be executed, what makes him different from the last guy?

Could be that this guy is ALREADY DEAD.

then why didnt he say good, we executed him.


Because it's too soon to politicize white people shooting other white people.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 4:02:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

why isnt he saying this guy should be executed, what makes him different from the last guy?

Could be that this guy is ALREADY DEAD.

then why didnt he say good, we executed him.


Because it's too soon to politicize white people shooting other white people.

How about there was no need to say it.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 4:04:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

why isnt he saying this guy should be executed, what makes him different from the last guy?

Could be that this guy is ALREADY DEAD.

then why didnt he say good, we executed him.


Because it's too soon to politicize white people shooting other white people.

Then again race has no part in this.



Danemora -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 4:46:23 PM)

Because both committed suicide. They self-executed themselves [8|]



PeonForHer -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 5:42:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

... I was just thinking: Can you get a one-click 'thoughts and prayers' app for Android? That could make things a lot more quick and efficient in the future.


Great question, why don't you tweet him and ask...

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/379689640115961856?lang=en


"We grieve with all the families in Sutherland Springs harmed by this act of hatred. May God grant all of us the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst" Barack Obama, November 5th, 2017.

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/927337524808347648

This is a prayer I can get behind.



Marini -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 6:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Right, so how long till the next mass-slaughter, then? A month, two weeks? Get ready with those thoughts and prayers, folks!


What a callous, and horrifically insensitive remark.


True - it was harsh. Apologies to all.

Yet, I've begun to see growing cynicism amongst even Americans themselves about these mass-slaughters: there's a widespread expression of grief ... followed by no real policy changes whatsoever, least of all the radical policy change that I think it's becoming clear is now needed. At the same time the slaughters are happening with increasing frequency. I fundamentally disagree with the line that the immediate aftermath of a mass-killing is 'not the time for politics'. It's *absolutely* the time for politics: that's what politics is there for - to provide solutions.



Thanks Peon, no worries.
I hate to get involved in the never-ending gun control debates, BUT I will say this.

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.

That would be a great start, another issue is, the amount of illegal guns we have in this country.
We have no way of knowing how many there are, and how do they get INTO the country?



tamaka -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 6:42:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

... I was just thinking: Can you get a one-click 'thoughts and prayers' app for Android? That could make things a lot more quick and efficient in the future.


Great question, why don't you tweet him and ask...

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/379689640115961856?lang=en


"We grieve with all the families in Sutherland Springs harmed by this act of hatred. May God grant all of us the wisdom to ask what concrete steps we can take to reduce the violence and weaponry in our midst" Barack Obama, November 5th, 2017.

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/927337524808347648

This is a prayer I can get behind.


Yes... and the alcohol and cars too.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 6:48:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Right, so how long till the next mass-slaughter, then? A month, two weeks? Get ready with those thoughts and prayers, folks!


What a callous, and horrifically insensitive remark.


True - it was harsh. Apologies to all.

Yet, I've begun to see growing cynicism amongst even Americans themselves about these mass-slaughters: there's a widespread expression of grief ... followed by no real policy changes whatsoever, least of all the radical policy change that I think it's becoming clear is now needed. At the same time the slaughters are happening with increasing frequency. I fundamentally disagree with the line that the immediate aftermath of a mass-killing is 'not the time for politics'. It's *absolutely* the time for politics: that's what politics is there for - to provide solutions.



Thanks Peon, no worries.
I hate to get involved in the never-ending gun control debates, BUT I will say this.

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.

That would be a great start, another issue is, the amount of illegal guns we have in this country.
We have no way of knowing how many there are, and how do they get INTO the country?

It is almost impossible to buy an assault weapon. Has been since the 30s.



jlf1961 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 7:22:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini



Thanks Peon, no worries.
I hate to get involved in the never-ending gun control debates, BUT I will say this.

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.

That would be a great start, another issue is, the amount of illegal guns we have in this country.
We have no way of knowing how many there are, and how do they get INTO the country?


assault rifle
True Definition:
:any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire;

US Legal definition as set by the assault weapons ban:
:a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud, including various models of shotguns.

Now in the US, one can legally purchase a weapon that is capable of full or semi automatic fire with special permits issued by the ATF, these weapons can not have been manufactured after 1986, nor can any parts used to convert a semi automatic to full automatic have been manufactured after 1986. Since these weapons are unique, they are also expensive, usually starting at around $6000.

The permit process takes an average of 3 months from start to issue.

Now here is the problem with the congressional definition of what an assault rifle.

The pistol grip allows for a more stable aiming and control of the weapon, and was not originally a concept developed by the military, as it had been a common modification of various bolt action sporting rifles used by big game hunters on other continents.

It was a common conversion for short barrelled shot guns used in India as a last resort against tigers when hunting from an elephant.

The barrel shroud is just something to replace the wood fore stock of a rifle with something lighter than wood, and completely surrounds the barrel.

Now, as for the 'flash suppressor' argument, the liberal congressional member argument is that it makes the weapon harder to see when fired at night.

Bullshit, pure and simple bullshit.

The flash suppressor is to keep the muzzle flash from blinding the person pulling the trigger. Fire any weapon equipped with one of these at night and everyone is going to see the flash and know where you are.

So the only real argument is that these weapons are magazine fed, meaning that you can shoot a large number of rounds without having to reload, and uses a detachable magazine.

This is why a number of states banned high capacity magazines.

The problem with that is this.

But your statement:
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I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.



I have a question for you.

Would you like to face a herd of these with a bolt action rifle?



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 7:28:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Marini



Thanks Peon, no worries.
I hate to get involved in the never-ending gun control debates, BUT I will say this.

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.

That would be a great start, another issue is, the amount of illegal guns we have in this country.
We have no way of knowing how many there are, and how do they get INTO the country?


assault rifle
True Definition:
:any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire;

US Legal definition as set by the assault weapons ban:
:a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud, including various models of shotguns.

Now in the US, one can legally purchase a weapon that is capable of full or semi automatic fire with special permits issued by the ATF, these weapons can not have been manufactured after 1986, nor can any parts used to convert a semi automatic to full automatic have been manufactured after 1986. Since these weapons are unique, they are also expensive, usually starting at around $6000.

The permit process takes an average of 3 months from start to issue.

Now here is the problem with the congressional definition of what an assault rifle.

The pistol grip allows for a more stable aiming and control of the weapon, and was not originally a concept developed by the military, as it had been a common modification of various bolt action sporting rifles used by big game hunters on other continents.

It was a common conversion for short barrelled shot guns used in India as a last resort against tigers when hunting from an elephant.

The barrel shroud is just something to replace the wood fore stock of a rifle with something lighter than wood, and completely surrounds the barrel.

Now, as for the 'flash suppressor' argument, the liberal congressional member argument is that it makes the weapon harder to see when fired at night.

Bullshit, pure and simple bullshit.

The flash suppressor is to keep the muzzle flash from blinding the person pulling the trigger. Fire any weapon equipped with one of these at night and everyone is going to see the flash and know where you are.

So the only real argument is that these weapons are magazine fed, meaning that you can shoot a large number of rounds without having to reload, and uses a detachable magazine.

This is why a number of states banned high capacity magazines.

The problem with that is this.

But your statement:
quote:

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.



I have a question for you.

Would you like to face a herd of these with a bolt action rifle?


We both know that the Congressional definition is wrong they called those
assault weapons to make it easier to get it passed.



Marini -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 7:30:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Marini



Thanks Peon, no worries.
I hate to get involved in the never-ending gun control debates, BUT I will say this.

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.

That would be a great start, another issue is, the amount of illegal guns we have in this country.
We have no way of knowing how many there are, and how do they get INTO the country?


assault rifle
True Definition:
:any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire;

US Legal definition as set by the assault weapons ban:
:a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud, including various models of shotguns.

Now in the US, one can legally purchase a weapon that is capable of full or semi automatic fire with special permits issued by the ATF, these weapons can not have been manufactured after 1986, nor can any parts used to convert a semi automatic to full automatic have been manufactured after 1986. Since these weapons are unique, they are also expensive, usually starting at around $6000.

The permit process takes an average of 3 months from start to issue.

Now here is the problem with the congressional definition of what an assault rifle.

The pistol grip allows for a more stable aiming and control of the weapon, and was not originally a concept developed by the military, as it had been a common modification of various bolt action sporting rifles used by big game hunters on other continents.

It was a common conversion for short barrelled shot guns used in India as a last resort against tigers when hunting from an elephant.

The barrel shroud is just something to replace the wood fore stock of a rifle with something lighter than wood, and completely surrounds the barrel.

Now, as for the 'flash suppressor' argument, the liberal congressional member argument is that it makes the weapon harder to see when fired at night.

Bullshit, pure and simple bullshit.

The flash suppressor is to keep the muzzle flash from blinding the person pulling the trigger. Fire any weapon equipped with one of these at night and everyone is going to see the flash and know where you are.

So the only real argument is that these weapons are magazine fed, meaning that you can shoot a large number of rounds without having to reload, and uses a detachable magazine.

This is why a number of states banned high capacity magazines.

The problem with that is this.

But your statement:
quote:

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.



I have a question for you.

Would you like to face a herd of these with a bolt action rifle?


hummm, how not sure you need an assault weapon to kill feral hogs.
Interesting phenomena down there in Texas.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 7:40:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Marini



Thanks Peon, no worries.
I hate to get involved in the never-ending gun control debates, BUT I will say this.

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.

That would be a great start, another issue is, the amount of illegal guns we have in this country.
We have no way of knowing how many there are, and how do they get INTO the country?


assault rifle
True Definition:
:any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire;

US Legal definition as set by the assault weapons ban:
:a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud, including various models of shotguns.

Now in the US, one can legally purchase a weapon that is capable of full or semi automatic fire with special permits issued by the ATF, these weapons can not have been manufactured after 1986, nor can any parts used to convert a semi automatic to full automatic have been manufactured after 1986. Since these weapons are unique, they are also expensive, usually starting at around $6000.

The permit process takes an average of 3 months from start to issue.

Now here is the problem with the congressional definition of what an assault rifle.

The pistol grip allows for a more stable aiming and control of the weapon, and was not originally a concept developed by the military, as it had been a common modification of various bolt action sporting rifles used by big game hunters on other continents.

It was a common conversion for short barrelled shot guns used in India as a last resort against tigers when hunting from an elephant.

The barrel shroud is just something to replace the wood fore stock of a rifle with something lighter than wood, and completely surrounds the barrel.

Now, as for the 'flash suppressor' argument, the liberal congressional member argument is that it makes the weapon harder to see when fired at night.

Bullshit, pure and simple bullshit.

The flash suppressor is to keep the muzzle flash from blinding the person pulling the trigger. Fire any weapon equipped with one of these at night and everyone is going to see the flash and know where you are.

So the only real argument is that these weapons are magazine fed, meaning that you can shoot a large number of rounds without having to reload, and uses a detachable magazine.

This is why a number of states banned high capacity magazines.

The problem with that is this.

But your statement:
quote:

I can't think of any reason, the average citizen should be able to legally buy an assault weapon.



I have a question for you.

Would you like to face a herd of these with a bolt action rifle?


hummm, how not sure you need an assault weapon to kill feral hogs.
Interesting phenomena down there in Texas.

We have both explained to you that you are talking is guns that look like assault weapons, not actual assault weapons.



Marini -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 7:41:48 PM)

Okay, I get it---I am not a gun expert.

I still don't understand, why the average citizen needs to be able to "buy", high powered weapons.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 8:02:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Okay, I get it---I am not a gun expert.

I still don't understand, why the average citizen needs to be able to "buy", high powered weapons.

Depends on what you are going to use them for.
Unless you are a great shot rifles are useless for hunting birds.
Due to the distance the round travels
and the fact that you are aiming upward and so they are not as safe.
You need a larger boar for bear or wild hogs than for deer.
The round that is good enough for deer will just make a bear or wild hog angry .
The round you need for bear or boar you will tear up the deer meat.
Each different thing you use a gun for can require a different gun.
I would prefer a shotgun for home defense but there are people who can't
handle the recoil who are better off with something light like a .223.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 8:05:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Okay, I get it---I am not a gun expert.

I still don't understand, why the average citizen needs to be able to "buy", high powered weapons.

People maybe (in your opinion ) don't need a car that can go 150 mph, does that mean it should
it should be illegal.



Marini -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 8:05:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Okay, I get it---I am not a gun expert.

I still don't understand, why the average citizen needs to be able to "buy", high powered weapons.

Depends on what you are going to use them for.
Unless you are a great shot rifles are useless for hunting birds.
Due to the distance the round travels
and the fact that you are aiming upward and so they are not as safe.
You need a larger boar for bear or wild hogs than for deer.
The round that is good enough for deer will just make a bear or wild hog angry .
The round you need for bear or boar you will tear up the deer meat.
Each different thing you use a gun for can require a different gun.
I would prefer a shotgun for home defense but there are people who can't
handle the recoil who are better off with something light like a .223.


On the flip side, we have had far too many mass murders, with people using assault weapons in recent years.

I have to stand on the side of banning the sale/or at least making it a lot harder to buy, high powered weapons.
We ALL are entitled to our opinions.

Enough is enough for me, Bama



jlf1961 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 8:29:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

hummm, how not sure you need an assault weapon to kill feral hogs.
Interesting phenomena down there in Texas.


Feral hogs are a problem all over the US, not just Texas, in Louisiana there is an estimate 500,000 of the damn things.

And it is not a phenomena, but the simple fact that a domestic pig escaping into the wild reverts to the undomesticated form, developing tusks and a longer snout which is used in the wild for foraging for food.

Of course there are the ones that were released by Spanish explorers, European settlers etc.

Point of fact, the wild hog is not indiginous to the US, the closest thing we have is the javelina which are part of the peccary family, or small wild pigs, and these things rarely tip the scales over 50 pounds. The feral hog descended from the ones brought over to the US have topped scales at close to a thousand pounds, large enough to require big game caliber rifles.

And considering the damn things run in herds that can number as many as 50 or more, again, I ask you, would you want to deal with a bunch of them with a bolt action rifle with a max of seven rounds?

Or would you rather have a weapon you can drop a mag and reload in a couple of seconds?

I invite you or anyone else screaming that these types of weapons are useless in civilian hands to come to Taylor county TX and I will take you on a hog hunt and let you use one of my bolt actions.

FYI, when you start shooting into a herd of these critters, the boars have a nasty habit of charging you, while the sows and piglets tend to run off.

If you dont kill a boar right off, or at least cripple him, you just make him mad.

I have watched a good sized boar tear up a 4x4 truck so bad it needed to be retrieved by a tow truck. I have also seen them take down deer stands that some thought would be a safe place to shoot them from.

And there is a difference between an assault weapon, and a semi auto sporting rifle built on an AR15 or any other military style frame.

And of course there is the statistical proof that the so called 'assault rifle' is the least favored among criminals, even mass shooters. Weapons of choice tend to be semi auto pistols, which use smaller and lighter rounds and allow the shooter to pack more ammo.

In point of fact, of all the mass shootings in the past 10 years, the so called assault rifle has only been used in 14 of the incidents.

Kind of takes the wind out of the argument dont you think?



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 8:33:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Okay, I get it---I am not a gun expert.

I still don't understand, why the average citizen needs to be able to "buy", high powered weapons.

Depends on what you are going to use them for.
Unless you are a great shot rifles are useless for hunting birds.
Due to the distance the round travels
and the fact that you are aiming upward and so they are not as safe.
You need a larger boar for bear or wild hogs than for deer.
The round that is good enough for deer will just make a bear or wild hog angry .
The round you need for bear or boar you will tear up the deer meat.
Each different thing you use a gun for can require a different gun.
I would prefer a shotgun for home defense but there are people who can't
handle the recoil who are better off with something light like a .223.


On the flip side, we have had far too many mass murders, with people using assault weapons in recent years.

I have to stand on the side of banning the sale/or at least making it a lot harder to buy, high powered weapons.
We ALL are entitled to our opinions.

Enough is enough for me, Bama

A. Not once has an assault weapons been used.
B. The .223 is not even in upper range of power in popular calibers .
C. More murders are committed with knives than with rifles.



BamaD -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 8:50:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

Okay, I get it---I am not a gun expert.

I still don't understand, why the average citizen needs to be able to "buy", high powered weapons.

People may not need it but you have the right .
You need to prove that a particular indi8vidual should not own a gun.
The TX killer comes to mind and if the correct information had been entered in to the system he not only
could not have gotten the gun but could have been locked up for perjury for lying on the form.



kdsub -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/7/2017 9:49:13 PM)

They don’t need them and that admission means their right to own an unnecessary weapon is more important to them then the life of innocents... it is that simple.

Butch



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