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UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons.


Oh yes will report ASAP
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Send the UN to said secret prison for taste of the flogger
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Insert your own option
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UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/29/2006 5:50:44 AM   
MsterOrionII


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Status: offline 		Just saw the News.  UN orders the U.S. to close all secret prisons and  report the fact that secret prisons exist.  OK  fellow Doms and Masters.  Where do you get the UN form to report the Dungeons  and cages in the basements across all of Dom land?

Couldn t resist this one.
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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/29/2006 7:07:14 AM   
Dauric


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I just had images of GITMO's "civilian contractors" (read: "Interrigators").

$0.02,

Dauric.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/29/2006 11:22:10 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Ha,Ha! They're issueing "orders" now instead of "resolutions" they can't enforce?
LOLOL
I mean SERIOUSLY here folks, does *ANYONE* listen to anything the "U.N." says anymore?

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/29/2006 11:56:15 PM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		I wonder, if we fail to comply with the order:

    Will we be invaded?

    If yes by whom?

    And if we are invaded are we still required to pay our fair share (more than anyone else usually) of the invasion costs?

    And who is going to provide security to UN Headquarters?

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 12:07:27 AM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		LOL, Ken, very good questions!

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 12:11:02 AM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		Thank You.   I love discussing politics.   I especially love challenging opinions expressed as facts (I keep wanting proof) which really upsets people - I don't know why?  Gets me into more trouble.   Oh and I do appreciate peoples opinions and respect them.  Sometimes I disagree, but I respect opinions.

then there is just plain political bable like this one   LOL   I love these too.  Gives you a chance to sit back and just reflect on possibilities.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 1:22:45 AM   
Arpig


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quote:

I mean SERIOUSLY here folks, does *ANYONE* listen to anything the "U.N." says anymore?

quote:

are we still required to pay our fair share

You know, the UN might be a more effective force in world affairs if the US would actually pay its dues....

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 3:00:06 AM   
philosophy


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Status: offline 		"I mean SERIOUSLY here folks, does *ANYONE* listen to anything the "U.N." says anymore?"

actually, most of the world does......also, most of the world notes who complies and who doesn't.......gives us a better way of judging how honourable a country is.........after all, if a country uses UN resolutions to back up its own foreign policy, but ignores said resolutions when it suits them.......then we're allowed to call them hypocrites

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 5:14:29 AM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		We should probably comply, and invite inspectors to help out.
 
Our next administrations should do it's best to heal relations with the UN, and should them work from within to sort out some of the issues that caused distance in the first place. No party is clean in this. Most of the leaders that "accuse" the United States of this, or that ... are leaders of nations that were profiteering by selling advanced technology to countries that supported terrorism.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 5:20:52 AM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		Well. Two things come to mind.

1) How do they plan to implement this order? Whta is the planned follow-up?

2) The U.N. cannot possibly follow up on this "order". Which tends to dilute its meaning , in my opinion, however nobly intentioned it may be. As caitlyn said, there needs to be some plan for follow-through. I have noticed this isn't a particular strong suit of the U.N.'s - but - one can always hope. 


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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 6:01:49 AM   
peterK50


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Status: offline 		Can't you just see John Wayne telling his Sergeant, "Take the prisoner to the secret prison to be tortured." How did we get here? Oh yeah, one step at a time.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 6:33:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: caitlyn

We should probably comply, and invite inspectors to help out.
 
Our next administrations should do it's best to heal relations with the UN, and should them work from within to sort out some of the issues that caused distance in the first place. No party is clean in this. Most of the leaders that "accuse" the United States of this, or that ... are leaders of nations that were profiteering by selling advanced technology to countries that supported terrorism.


I strongly agree with caitlyn here. The UN is a great idea, with serious flaws, but America should work hard to get things right there.
 
And if we have prisoners, with actual evidence they've done something, fine, but if we're just holding people because, well, maybe they might know something, ship them out.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 6:49:58 AM   
hizgeorgiapeach


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Status: offline 		Strangely enough - if the US quit cutting so much slack to foreign "dignitaries" and actually started making them pay the various fines they incure by breaking US laws (and prosecuting their criminal offences in this country rather than giving them immunity from prosecution if they're part of a "diplomatic" group) it'd be fairly easy for the US to suck up yet more costs.
 
We house the UN.  We pay it's month to month expenses like saleries for staff and those electric and phone bills.  We politely ignore those million and one parking violations a year by members of UN Delegation Staffs.  We supply the lion's share of manpower and materials when enforcement of various UN resolutions comes a cropper.  I personally figure that's paying our fair share.
 
Are the other countries - the ones that generally wait for the US to muster forces out to enforce UN policy and resolution - going to step up to bat and muster out First this time?  Or is it going to fall back in the laps of American citizens who are already footing the bill for the UN to sustain it's day to day running in the first place?
 
Great idea with serious flaws, Level?  It has serious flaws because it's run by Humans.  There have been Countless systems of government, accountability, order, etc proposed throughout humanity's history - both written and oral.  The same Flaw seems to run through each and every one of them - it's humanity (with all of humanity's foibles and failings) that are here to impliment any given Great Idea or Perfect System.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 8:22:21 AM   
meatcleaver


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Status: offline 		The US insisted on the UN being in the US, otherwise it wouldn't have been a member and it has never been enthusiastic and prefers not to use it when possible.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 8:24:06 AM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		The reason the UN doesn't work is America has no interest in the UN working.  We want the UN to be powerless unless and until we want to use it and then it becomes a great big stick we can use to deal with whatever issue we have decided we give a shit about.

The UN is barred from having its own forces, barred from unilateral action, barred in any way from being effective.  This is only news to clueless listeners of Faux News.

There was a pretty strong movement after Rwanda to put together a UN force capable of reestablishing order and it died on the vine.  Why?  The US didn't want it.

When the US tires of having the UN as a sock puppet that only comes to life when our hand is inside it, then the UN might become useful.

What most people do not realize is most of the worlds large NGOs like the World Bank and the IMF exist to pry open third world countries so the large multinationals can go in, rape and pillage economically, and then get the taxpayers of the West to bail out a country after they have sucked it dry.

The third world countries that have pulled themselves out of the toilet are generally the ones who told the IMF to go fuck themselves.

The Bush administration chose as President of the World Bank the man who told us Iraq would pay for its own reconstruction and fewer men would be needed to occupy than conquer them.  He was only off by about $800,000,000,000 dollars, pretty good by Republican standards.

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 8:54:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken, lol, yes, I'm like that too!
I'm neither a Liberal nor a Con so I can give BOTH of them hell! I'm also not a "Globalist."
Gee, the "U.N." can't even find $22 BILLION that "somehow" "dissapeared" in that "Oil for Food" scandal!
*Twenty Two Billion Dollars* just doesn't "Dissapear" into thin air now, does it?
I mean WHO has all that money? WHERE is it?
It's just "GONE?"  Just like that?
Seems old Cofi and his son have *amnesia* and their eyes start glazing over when anyone asks them about it.lol
And as for the "U.N." Inspectors in Iraq looking for WMDs it said that they were "directed" where they should go by Saddams people while a lot of things were moved around behind the scenes. Most military people will tell you that Syria is a guilty party in this but not "officially".
Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could have done a better job than the "U.N." Inspectors!
Then there's Russia, France and Germany who made tons of money from selling Saddam all kinds of things but we can't say anything about that because they're our "ALLIES".

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 9:09:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		the idea of secret prisons, government-sanctioned secret prisons (i'm all about the dungeon! :P), makes me sick. even if it ends up only being a symbolic order because i doubt anyone listens to the un anymore (as often as it has failed, i think we should at least TRY to make it work) at least someone in the international community is standing up and saying "this needs to stop."


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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 9:14:44 AM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Grace, on Al Qeada prisoners I would certainly hope that they'd be using welding torches and baseball bats on them!
Well, the U.S. has had the "U.N." headquarters in NYC now for what, 58 years or so?
I don't see why another country couldn't take it for the next 20 or 30 years.
Why do they need to be in the U.S.?
How about Moscow?

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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 9:21:13 AM   
fullofgrace


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Grace, on Al Qeada prisoners I would certainly hope that they'd be using welding torches and baseball bats on them!


perhaps, but the point is that giving the government that kind of power means that they can arrest anyone on trumped-up charges or suspicions and make their lives a living hell.

there is a reason our justice system is the way it is :)


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RE: UN ORDERS U.S. to close all secret Prisons. - 7/30/2006 9:25:53 AM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Grace, what would you suggest?
You can't EVER let Al Qeada terrorists go!
What do you think they'd do if they got out?

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