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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 6:58:15 AM   
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if its in offshore accounts, its not
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removing individual wealth from economies,



According to post # 15 above, the Republican tax plan brings it home

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 7:09:38 AM   
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this might be stating the absurdly obvious, and completely aside from tax plans to bring the money home (which id be in favor of) but unless we live in some bizarro world, money just doesn't SIT in banks. its used for investments---so the idea of it being "removed from the economy" is not strictly the truth.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 7:14:43 AM   
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One can only imagine the enormity of social good that could be achieved by harnessing these funds for social good



When leftists talk about "harnessing" something, they don't mean the word in the traditional sense

They mean to kill that thing. Take the life from it. It this example Tweaker means removing individual wealth from economies, as her Dear Leader friends have done in Venezuela and North Korea etc

The Republicans want 12% according to others in this thread, in exchange for bringing the money home. That sounds very fair to me. The 12% that isn't confiscated can go to work here doing far more good than leftists will ever do by handing it out to fat-assed bureaucrats or drug addicts and prostitutes etc

No one ever got a job from a poor man

Such a moronic response to the points I made and reports I cited in post #16.

The most obvious delusion in Bosco's claims is "Tweaker means removing individual wealth from economies,". No I don't. The funds have already been removed from economies by the tax evaders. They lie in offshore tax havens far from any develped economy and most certainly contributing nothing at all to those economies. So, directly opposite to Bosco's claims, nothing is removed from economies

The GOP solution is laughable. If I understand it correctly it means that by paying a 12% tax, off shore funds can be repatriated and put to work in the economy. So instead of full repatriation, we end with an effective 88% repatriation which will then be subject to the trickle down fantasy. If past experience is anything to go by, any returns generated by that 88% wll simply be moved offshore again to avoid taxes. The best possible outcome would be for that process to be repeated indefinitely, effectively rewarding tax evasion by subjecting the funds to 12% tax rate instead of the far higher rates imposed by most developed countries. So an illusion at best, at worst it simply rewards and institutionalises tax evasion on a gigantic scale.

For effective change to happen, there must be collective action by the world's economies to eliminate offshore tax havens permanently, accompanied by internal action to eliminate the massive and lucrative tax evasion industries.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 7:24:48 AM   
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the rich gettin richer and its the poor wot get the blame...as true now as its ever been...
its bloody sad...its wrong.
it wont change.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 7:38:45 AM   
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this might be stating the absurdly obvious, and completely aside from tax plans to bring the money home (which id be in favor of) but unless we live in some bizarro world, money just doesn't SIT in banks. its used for investments---so the idea of it being "removed from the economy" is not strictly the truth.


Right, the Cayman Islands and other such places, including the foreign subsidiaries are really making that money work, just not for America, its just being removed from our economy. These corporations will however, will wallow, hide in, and use the protections afforded them being in name in the United States in their favor without shouldering the burden of paying for them, or renewing the infrastructure they use up without paying their larger share for.


Just stating the absurdly obvious here.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 7:42:15 AM   
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if its in offshore accounts, its not
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removing individual wealth from economies,



According to post # 15 above, the Republican tax plan brings it home

lets see the final version thats signed by trump, because the actual amount hasnt been fixed...
its also having trouble going thru the senate, and given their performances since january, Im NOT betting on anything. Altho they are desperate to get something passed and not just rolled back.
This recent election success, might interfere as well. especially after they are sworn in.






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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 7:47:52 AM   
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Those recent elections won't matter as they were local. The US needs tax reforms and tax reductions. This will help the economy as a whole. I am confident that this will get done. Carried interest will be gone.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 10:27:19 AM   
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Those recent elections won't matter as they were local. The US needs tax reforms and tax reductions. This will help the economy as a whole. I am confident that this will get done. Carried interest will be gone.

People were saying that during the oil crisis, mate: didn't happen then, won't happen now.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 12:51:14 PM   
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So... rich fuckers hide their money offshore. And this is news to who exactly?
Rather than ask which rich fucker is doing it, just assume they all are.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 12:57:28 PM   
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They are not hiding their money, they are investing it in a more tax friendly environment.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 12:59:25 PM   
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They are not hiding their money, they are investing it in a more tax friendly environment.

They're not hiding it from the IRS?

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 1:01:56 PM   
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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 1:08:38 PM   
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No

Then why are they removing it from the country, declaring profits in offshore locations where they barely have to pay tax at all, stuffing it into tax havens and generally evading the taxman?
You could argue that they're exploiting loopholes rather than committing outright fraud (Amazon and Google aside), and certainly they're not going out of their way to hide that they're doing so, but they're still hiding their profits from nasty commies who think they should pay tax on them.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 1:07:16 AM   
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They are not hiding their money, they are investing it in a more tax friendly environment.

And we know that the caymans are an economic powerhouse who shuffle that money exactly............................where? they loaning china? cuz there is no money working here.

Although the average salary in the caymans is around 63,500 K or so, so it will be interesting to see how much is actually there when people decide to cash out, or if the republicans will bail them out too.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 5:45:31 AM   
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No

Then why are they removing it from the country, declaring profits in offshore locations where they barely have to pay tax at all, stuffing it into tax havens and generally evading the taxman?
You could argue that they're exploiting loopholes rather than committing outright fraud (Amazon and Google aside), and certainly they're not going out of their way to hide that they're doing so, but they're still hiding their profits from nasty commies who think they should pay tax on them.


See, that's why you will never be anything more than a brainless little welfare pimp

If you ever had two dollars to invest you would throw them at the first diseased whore you came across, and that would be the end of them

You think that wise investments are something to hate. That the best investments ought to be made criminal acts, and that making America a good investment is even worse

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 5:48:39 AM   
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Not against wise investments, but against these corporations sheltering in the arms of America and its protections, but not supporting it. Get out of the country if you dont like shouldering some of the burden.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 5:50:06 AM   
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Not against wise investments, but against these corporations sheltering in the arms of America and its protections, but not supporting it. Get out of the country if you dont like shouldering some of the burden.



You are a moron

The thread is about wise investors sheltering their investments elsewhere

Anywhere but America (and a few other places have exorbitant tax rates)

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 6:25:04 AM   
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no the thread is about un-American corporations and individuals who are on the backs of American citizens via welfare who are getting paid and a free ride in this country. Quit your demented howling.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 6:29:51 AM   
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no the thread is about un-American corporations and individuals who are on the backs of American citizens via welfare who are getting paid and a free ride in this country. Quit your demented howling.


They love their "free ride" so much that they take their investment money and go elsewhere, to include their headquarters and factories and everything else

A 40% tax rate is a "free ride" to you howlers...

You are literally insane

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/10/2017 6:31:08 AM   
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no the thread is about un-American corporations and individuals who are on the backs of American citizens via welfare who are getting paid and a free ride in this country. Quit your demented howling.

At least you know how an "exorbitant" tax rate is defined now: apparently it means paying any tax at all.

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