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DaddySatyr -> Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 9:11:30 AM)


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Well, it's nice to finally get some truth.

As has become my habit, this is a copy-and-paste from my daily blog except where noted

Ye Shall Know The Truth and ...
By Michael The Libertarian


It has been an old saw for many years: “The truth will out” and as with many things that come from the left, the truth is “outing”, now.

The California chapter of the (N)ational (A)ssociation for the (A)dvancement of (C)olored (P)eople (NAACP) is calling on California lawmakers to pressure the federal government to abolish the Star Spangled Banner as our National Anthem.

You see, almost from the beginning, we've been told that an athlete with diminishing skills who had already lost his starting job had chosen that moment to make a political statement.

We've been told for a couple of months, now that this has “nothing to do with disrespecting the flag or the anthem”, but again, the truth is out.
From the article:

“The group says the song, which has been a point of controversy in the NFL, is “one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon,” The Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday.”

So, we've gone from this not being about the anthem to this definitely being about the anthem.

It never had anything to do with Kaepernik's declining skills. No, not at all.

“We owe a lot of it to Kaepernick,” California NAACP President Alice Huffman told The Sacramento Bee. “I think all this controversy about the knee will go away once the song is removed.”

There's an interesting idea. It IS the anthem's fault and this particular statement is almost some kind of circular non-logic. “We owe a lot of it to Kaepernik, but once we get rid of the anthem, the controversy will be over” Was this the end game (at least for the NAACP) all along?

I have been saying for 30+ years that the idea of “progressivism” was misnamed. They don't want progress. They just want to leave a path of destruction in their wake. The evidence is everywhere.

Some racist piece of garbage shoots up a black church? Remove “The Dukes of Hazard” from TV. Oh, and by the way, let's get rid of that Virginia Battle Flag while we're at it. Oh! Those statues of Civil War Generals? They need to go, too. Oh and Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton … Yeah, they got to go, too.

Destroy, destroy, destroy. That's what it's all about.

Next, the NAACP goes on to put the blame where it “really” belongs:

“Trump got in the middle of it. He blew it out of proportion”

Yeah, that was it. No one (like me) wrote (in another venue {this is a CC extra, folks}): “So, I was a little pissed off at Kaepernik, but I am really enraged by the feckless response of the NFL. Remember, this is a company that was charging the U.S. Military (that's pronounced: "we taxpayers" for those of you in Poughkeepsie) to "honor" veterans on Sundays. That was bad enough, but when they allowed this coward to disrespect the very symbol of what allows him to be an arrogant asshole, they lost my support and I canceled my subscription to their Sunday Ticket.” on the 13th of September, 2016.

It was all about a statement that we knew the man who hadn't been elected yet was going to make almost a year later.

Once again, let's move the goalposts so we can be free to destroy (remember “Room to destroy” during the Baltimore riots, last year?). That's what this little Kaepernik adventure has been about. Unfortunately, if you look at the history, it's what the whole “Progressive” movement is about. No message for a better future; just destruction of the past. It's shameful.

The Left should be very careful as they destroy all that they think is “bad”. How long before they set their sights on a house that “looks too much like a plantation house” and insist that the owner move out so they can tear that offensive sight down, also?

How long before they attack Old Glory herself by insisting that we need to create a new flag? Would the preferred new colors be black and green, perhaps?

Will there be a call to completely remove all forms of policing in this country? Surely that's a problem also. Even black men and women that put on the uniform become racists because of the systemic racism (you know, the racist laws we have on the books) in this country.

When are we going to dismantle the military; that racist institution that affords so many a way out of poverty that doesn't include “pledging allegiance” to the Golden Arches?

How much more of the foundation of the house can be destroyed before the house collapses?


- Michael




tamaka -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 9:17:53 AM)

After finding out the words to one of the verses, i think it is time for a new anthem as well.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 9:20:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

After finding out the words to one of the verses, i think it is time for a new anthem as well.


You mean one of the verses that's never sung? Is there a reason it's never sung, perhaps?

If you asked one hundred people to sing the National Anthem, of that small percentage that could do it, how many would include your "phantom" verse? Would they stop after: " ... and the home of the brave"? I'd make that bet.






tamaka -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 9:39:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka

After finding out the words to one of the verses, i think it is time for a new anthem as well.


You mean one of the verses that's never sung? Is there a reason it's never sung, perhaps?

If you asked one hundred people to sing the National Anthem, of that small percentage that could do it, how many would include your "phantom" verse? Would they stop after: " ... and the home of the brave"? I'd make that bet.





It doesn't matter whether it is sung or not. It is part of the spirit of the song that the author held in his heart while he wrote it, so it taints the whole thing. It's 2017... time for a new song




DaddySatyr -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 9:44:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
It doesn't matter whether it is sung or not. It is part of the spirit of the song that the author held in his heart while he wrote it, so it taints the whole thing. It's 2017... time for a new song



I've always thought "God Bless America" was a much better song (and easier to sing) so, maybe you're right.






bounty44 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 10:13:58 AM)

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O say can you see, by the dawn’s early light,
What so proudly we hail’d at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight
O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream,
’Tis the star-spangled banner—O long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O thus be it ever when freemen shall stand
Between their lov’d home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with vict’ry and peace may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserv’d us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto – “In God is our trust,”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


http://www.dictionary.com/e/star-spangled-banner/

quote:

There are historians (notably Robin Blackburn, author of The Overthrow of Colonial Slavery, 1776-1848, and Alan Taylor, author of “American Blacks in the War of 1812”), who have indeed read the stanza as glorying in the Americans’ defeat of the Corps of Colonial Marines, one of two units of black slaves recruited between 1808 and 1816 to fight for the British on the promise of gaining their freedom. Like so many of his compatriots, Francis Scott Key, the wealthy American lawyer who wrote “The Star Spangled Banner” in the wake of the Battle of Fort McHenry on 14 September 1814, was a slaveholder who believed blacks to be “a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community.” It goes without saying that Key did not have the enslaved black population of America in mind when he penned the words “land of the free.” It would be logical to assume, as well, that he might have harbored a special resentment toward African Americans who fought against the United States on behalf of the King.

“With that in mind,” writes Jon Schwartz on the web site The Intercept, “think again about the next two lines: “And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave / O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave'”:

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The reality is that there were human beings fighting for freedom with incredible bravery during the War of 1812. However, “The Star-Spangled Banner” glorifies America’s “triumph” over them — and then turns that reality completely upside down, transforming their killers into the courageous freedom fighters.

After the U.S. and the British signed a peace treaty at the end of 1814, the U.S. government demanded the return of American “property,” which by that point numbered about 6,000 people. The British refused. Most of the 6,000 eventually settled in Canada, with some going to Trinidad, where their descendants are still known as “Merikins.”


In fairness, it has also been argued that Key may have intended the phrase as a reference to the British Navy’s practice of impressment (kidnapping sailors and forcing them to fight in defense of the crown), or as a semi-metaphorical slap at the British invading force as a whole (which included a large number of mercenaries), though the latter line of thinking suggests an even stronger alternative theory — namely, that the word “hirelings” refers literally to mercenaries, and “slaves” refers literally to slaves. It doesn’t appear that Francis Scott Key ever specified what he did mean by the phrase, nor does its context point to a single, definitive interpretation.

Key originally wrote “The Star-Spangled Banner” as a patriotic poem first published in a Baltimore newspaper shortly after the event that inspired it. Set to the tune of the popular English song “To Anacreon in Heaven,” it became an unofficial national anthem during the 19th century, was officially adopted as such by executive order of President Woodrow Wilson in 1916, and confirmed by Congress as the national anthem of the United States in 1931.


https://www.snopes.com/2016/08/29/star-spangled-banner-and-slavery/




jlf1961 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 10:23:27 AM)

Lets see, the anthem was written by Key during the war of 1812.

The US got into that war primarily because the British navy was stopping American flagged ships and press ganging American citizens into the British navy to fight the French.

British troops who took part in actions onshore were 'confiscating' property, including slaves and sending them back to England....

So one line, in one never sung verse is objectionable?

But lets not talk about hip hop and rap lyrics that celebrate violence, murder, domestic abuse....

Oh hell no, to do that would be racist.

You know what, if a statue to a man that died over a hundred years ago or a song that was written over two hundred years ago is a sensitive issue to you, then guess what, you need professional help.

The very act of protesting their existence gives them more power than their existence ever will. Those protests bring the worst elements out in large numbers to counter protest or worse.

I mean its as bad as Oliver Cromwell who ordered the statues of Catholic Saints destroyed or beheaded during the English Civil War, and makes about as much fucking sense.




bounty44 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 10:39:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I've always thought "God Bless America" was a much better song (and easier to sing) so, maybe you're right.



heck Michael, the godless "separation of church and state" comrades would have your head on a pike for that one!

while we're at it, is there a Kentucky chapter of the naacp? lets ban my old Kentucky home from being sung at the Kentucky derby too!




jlf1961 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 11:00:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka
It doesn't matter whether it is sung or not. It is part of the spirit of the song that the author held in his heart while he wrote it, so it taints the whole thing. It's 2017... time for a new song



I've always thought "God Bless America" was a much better song (and easier to sing) so, maybe you're right.






Which was originally "god save the king (or queen as the case may be)"




bounty44 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 11:30:12 AM)

god bless America is an original composition by irving berlin from WWI and to my knowledge, has nothing to do with god save the king, which is 3-4 centuries old.




JVoV -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 11:48:24 AM)

The majority of Confederate "hero" statues, along with renaming public schools and roads,, happened in the 1950's, and was a racist backlash to the Civil Rights Movement.

I don't see anything racist in the lyrics of our National Anthem. And its history, with the lyrics referring to kicking British ass in 1814, doesn't seem racially motivated either.

Yet Francis Scott Key was a slave owner, so there may very well be reason for people of color to take issue with the song directly.




JVoV -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:06:18 PM)

Meanwhile, our Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Christian Socialist, aside from the words "under God", which were illegally added by Congress later.




stef -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:13:35 PM)

Sad old white man is sad.

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jlf1961 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:15:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

god bless America is an original composition by irving berlin from WWI and to my knowledge, has nothing to do with god save the king, which is 3-4 centuries old.


my mistake, I was thinking of "my country tis of thee"

Kinda like the national anthem, sung to a melody of a british drinking song




DaddySatyr -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:24:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I've always thought "God Bless America" was a much better song (and easier to sing) so, maybe you're right.



heck Michael, the godless "separation of church and state" comrades would have your head on a pike for that one!



That's why I chose it; to give the God haters some fodder. The real truth? I've always though "America The Beautiful" was a great choice.



Peace,


Michael




DaddySatyr -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:25:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

Sad old white man is sad.



Stupid, ugly, old, white woman is irrelevant.






DaddySatyr -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:36:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Yet Francis Scott Key was a slave owner, so there may very well be reason for people of color to take issue with the song directly.


I'd like to respond to this, but I know you'll just assume your normal tack of name calling and passive-aggressive bullshit. So, I will make one comment:

Key may very well have been a slave owner. I'll grant that on your say-so.

Putting aside the idea that slavery was "normalized" at the time, are there any slave holders that might have done things that were so positive to try and end slavery as to make their participation in slavery null and void? Anything?






servantforuse -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:41:23 PM)

Remember John Wayne " Why I Love Her".




bounty44 -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:41:40 PM)

I love the scene where that song plays (the ray charles version) on the 4th of july in the movie the sandlot.

I also loved the superbowl commercial a handful of years ago for Coca-Cola that had everyone singing the lyrics in different languages.





DaddySatyr -> RE: Ye Shall Know The Truth and ... (11/8/2017 12:51:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Remember John Wayne " Why I Love Her".



That one or ... Ooooh! "The Ballad of the Green Berets" !



Peace,


Michael




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