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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 5:47:23 AM   
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Oh well, maybe the next mass-killing will move things on a millimetre further.


That's great! Hope for a tragedy to advance a political agenda.

Unfortunately, typical leftist attitude.

Bless your heart.






Yeah right - you read that as 'hope', did you? Balls. If you're that stupid, you have no chance.


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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 5:51:04 AM   
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Oh well, maybe the next mass-killing will move things on a millimetre further.


Yeah right - you read that as 'hope', did you? Balls. If you're that stupid, you have no chance.



Well, since you're always pissing and moaning about gun control, I did read it as hope, coming from you.

If you're that callous, you have no soul.





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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 5:52:55 AM   
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From your cite:

"While the Right is interested in defending a core right from the progressive tendency to destroy the house to kill a spider, the Left is fixated on their emotions and illusion of safety."

God, what a dismally partisan, pisspoor, brainless and utterly useless way of framing the debate.


right, except for that its often more or less true, the author is a leftie and the entire debate is not framed that way...sooooo....






sooooo ... if people can't step beyond this stupidity, the entire debate's a waste of time.

Weird sort of a leftie who'll say something like "The Left has positioned itself as the opposition party to American culture. Progressively we have seen them portray everything from the founding to the flag, the anthem, monuments, patriotic heroes and so on as racist, terroristic, hateful and outdated. Guns represent a period before the progressive enlightenment when people shot each other in the streets and racists were marching waving rifles in the air. Guns paint a picture of violence, authoritarianism, conquest and oppression in the mind of the Left. " "We" have seen "them"?

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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 5:58:02 AM   
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Well, since you're always pissing and moaning about gun control, I did read it as hope, coming from you.

If you're that callous, you have no soul.


'Always pissing and moaning ...' - yes, sure. One of your weird little generic attacks on somebody on the left, because you can't (be bothered to) distinguish one from another.

And no, not callous, either: again - just another crap deliberate misreading, DS, and you know it. Childish and feeble.

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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:00:08 AM   
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Then why not answer as a non- Republican rather then deflect the question with nonsense ?


What question did I not answer and deflect by pointing out I'm not a Republican? None of the questions you asked had anything to do with the GOP. You only criticized the GOP and made the claim they were the party I support. Pointing out I'm not a Republican doesn't deflect from anything, but corrects your belief that I support the GOP. I'm critical of Republicans and Democrats.

Was it these questions?
    If a law is not working then would it not behoove us to find out why and fix them?
    Would you not agree that laws governing gun ownership are important and should be consistent throughout the US?


In case you haven't read any of Jeff's posts (or my supportive references to his posts), I do support fixing the current laws.

Are laws "important enough" that they should be consistent throughout the country? No. I don't believe the US Constitution has granted that authority. One may twist and turn to get that interpretation, but I'm not one of those guys, sooo. IMO, that should be up to the citizens of each state to decide. I also think that if you're going to be a gun owner, you should be understanding and forward-thinking about following the gun laws in whatever state you happen to be in, even if it's not your own. And, I think there should be some leeway given to out-of-state gun owners so that they don't get hammered for minor technicalities regarding different state laws.

The comments about your State are treated solely as comments about your State. I don't think we live in the same State, so whatever I think about the laws in your State are immaterial, as i think the citizens of each State should be the ones deciding.

The "nonsense" I posted must have gone way over your head. I posted links that point out the bullshit in your claim that the NRA only opposes new laws or obvious changes.






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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:00:28 AM   
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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shobooting - 11/23/2017 6:04:17 AM   
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I'm a bit curious as to why the notion of a gun being useful for self defence has any bearing on the latest spree killing in the first place: a pistol and a concealed carry permit or keeping a shotgun in the house are pretty different to the not-really-assault rifles and sub machine guns that are favoured by nutcases out to slaughter a few people for no good reason, unless you're deliberately blurring the lines to suggest that it's impossible to legislate against the latter without also banning the former, which is a pretty blatant strawman argument.

It's not in response to the latest shootings. But, most firearm murders are committed with a handgun.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls
For the 5 years in that report:
    70.45% of all firearm murders victims were shot with "handguns."
    3.7% were shot with a "rifle."
    4.01% were shot with a "shotgun."
    1.19% were shot with an "other firearm"
    20.64% were shot with an unreported firearm type.

I don't know if an "assault weapon" would qualify as a "rifle," or an "other" according to the stats, but if all the unreported types, rifles and "other" guns were added up, they'd still not account for half of all murder victims shot by handguns.
So, if one really wants to have a chance at reducing the number of murder victims at the hand of firearms, why wouldn't handguns be next on the list, if not really first?

I thought we were talking about spree killings rather than one off murders.


Even if that's how this thread started, it, and others like it, always morph into a general pro/anti gun ownership discussion, and almost all new laws wanted will affect all types of firearms, not just the ones in the latest shootings.


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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:04:59 AM   
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Another comedy (in the "Irony" Division) nugget from the interwebz ... the gift that keeps on giving.





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not to mention entirely hypocritical. and bullshit strawman
but not unexpected
WHat he reads into posts and reality are not in the same realm.
SOP




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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:14:00 AM   
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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:18:24 AM   
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It seems like I'm taking it, just fine. You're the one who is, once again, reduced to name-calling.

I pity you.





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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:19:36 AM   
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You keep repeating that we won't listen to the changes you want but you won't tell
us what they are. They need to enforce the laws we have and fix NICS

Bama... what we have now is obviously not working.. You are the one when others make suggestions for change say... "the laws we have are not enforced so why would new ones be enforced". On many occasions I have said what changes I would like to be made.... please tell me what changes would you like to be made? Just saying enforce the laws we have will not work...why... because it is not working now... there has to be changes.


The change would be to enforce the law. The law doesn't necessarily need changing. How do you know if a law needs changing if it's not enforced? I'd agree if it can't be enforced, but that's not the actual problem at the moment.

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If we were elected officials with the power to make change... and truly cared about the thousands of unnecessary gun deaths over the last few years...we would ask each other what can be done. Then we would discuss and debate and if necessary compromise in order to come up with a plan we could support and would survive party change in Congress.
What is happening in politics for the last 20 years or so is one party gaining power and passing legislation without the input of the opposition party. The result are laws that will not last the test of time... they will only last until the next power shift in Congress. I will guarantee you if conservatives do not compromise on gun control they will pay the price in the future.
Now is the time when conservatives have the power... listen to their electorate and set down with Democrats and come up with common sense changes that both parties can get behind. Neither party will be completely happy with the necessary compromises but the laws that would emerge could be supported by both ruling parties and therefore would be enforced.
These compromises have nothing to do with revoking the 2nd amendment but would just regulate it which the Congress has the obligation and power to do.
Butch


Neither major party is willing to compromise, when it comes right down to it. Ignore the assertions and promises of reaching across the aisle. They don't happen. Plus, each party only wants the other part to compromise on the things that are absolute anathema to them.

There are people who feel "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means they should be allowed to keep and bear any firearm they want. An "assault weapons ban" would be an encroachment on the right to keep and bear arms. If you pass laws that make it nearly impossible for someone to keep and bear arms (like added expensive licensing, or regular, frequent, and costly examinations), you're infringing on the rights of those who don't have the money, aka "the poor." I don't think you'll find many (may not even be any) on here who would agree that anyone should be allowed to have any weapon he or she wants.

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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:26:41 AM   
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It seems like I'm taking it, just fine. You're the one who is, once again, reduced to name-calling.

I pity you.





you dont have the capacity

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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:30:59 AM   
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Nah. I didn't used to have the capacity. I used to have contempt for you, but I've "jumped up" two steps and now, you're at "pity". Congratulations!





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I pity you.



you dont have the capacity




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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:37:32 AM   
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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:39:06 AM   
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Better than your big, fat, over-inflated self-importance.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings by pointing out your hypocrisy.





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another big fatwaaaah




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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:48:56 AM   
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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 6:58:03 AM   
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But you didn't hurt my feelings. Your hypocrisy and flat-out lies about what I think and feel have rendered your opinion useless as tits on a bull.

No apology's necessary, when the only thing you're engaging in is more obfuscation and mutual mental masturbation with others of your peer group.





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Back atcha as I was pointing out yours first.
Im quite aware of my flaws. I dont deny them.
try it.





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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 10:01:55 AM   
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Neither major party is willing to compromise, when it comes right down to it.


How true... and the heart of the matter. We can only change this with our votes... I have hope for the future... I just hope while we are getting there that thousands more will not lose their lives.

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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 10:12:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		As long as our representatives use this division on gun control as a means for election rather than a means for solution the killing will continue.

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RE: Another day, another "small" mass shooting - 11/23/2017 10:40:18 AM   
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As long as our representatives use this division on gun control as a means for election rather than a means for solution the killing will continue.

Butch

Sadly, the killing will likely continue no matter what happens. This genie isn't ever going back into the bottle.

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