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I've always liked the idea of a parenting exam: check them out when the mother starts the pre-natal and if they're not up to raising a kid, make her get an abortion.
Of course, that's a preventative measure, and no use in dealing with the broods of feral goblins "raised" by people who you wouldn't trust to feed your a goldfish over a weekend, never mind look after kids.

Wouldn't sit well with the Pro-Life crowd, either. Plus, if we did require an exam, the US population would stagnate, if not decline. Those who know they're good parents aren't going to pop out too many kids to cover those who aren't good parents. Knowing their limitations is part of being good parents.

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bible, prayer and god back in the classroom.

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Our public institutions are reflecting the problems of the community. But it is not the responsibility for our educators ... or our police to correct these problems. Our schools are for education and if a child cannot behave then they cannot be allowed to disrupt the education of others. They should not be allowed to attend school until their behavior is acceptable.
The proper behavior has no color...black or white red or yellow all must be held to the same standard. Social mores are not an excuse for misbehavior.
Butch

We agree on this. How do you get parents who are not parenting in a way that results in students with better behavior?

Resources are scarce in our public school systems and should not be spent attempting to correct student behavior. Troubled children that are removed from school because of bad behavior should be reported to social services and they should investigate the child's home life. It is up to us as taxpayers if we are to properly fund these services to save these children. This is tough with the anti-tax culture we live in today. Lets face it... answers cost money ...manpower and time.
Our choice... well adjusted tax payers of the future... or welfare burdens at best and criminals at worst that drain our tax money and put our lives in danger.
Butch

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I've always liked the idea of a parenting exam: check them out when the mother starts the pre-natal and if they're not up to raising a kid, make her get an abortion.
Of course, that's a preventative measure, and no use in dealing with the broods of feral goblins "raised" by people who you wouldn't trust to feed your a goldfish over a weekend, never mind look after kids.

Wouldn't sit well with the Pro-Life crowd, either. Plus, if we did require an exam, the US population would stagnate, if not decline. Those who know they're good parents aren't going to pop out too many kids to cover those who aren't good parents. Knowing their limitations is part of being good parents.

Sort of my point? The fuckwits breed faster than those you want reproducing, so letting them outbreed everybody else is causing nothing but trouble. I'll take a stagnant population over one that's being constantly boosted with mouthbreathing vermin any day.

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Our public institutions are reflecting the problems of the community. But it is not the responsibility for our educators ... or our police to correct these problems. Our schools are for education and if a child cannot behave then they cannot be allowed to disrupt the education of others. They should not be allowed to attend school until their behavior is acceptable.
The proper behavior has no color...black or white red or yellow all must be held to the same standard. Social mores are not an excuse for misbehavior.
Butch

We agree on this. How do you get parents who are not parenting in a way that results in students with better behavior?

Resources are scarce in our public school systems and should not be spent attempting to correct student behavior. Troubled children that are removed from school because of bad behavior should be reported to social services and they should investigate the child's home life. It is up to us as taxpayers if we are to properly fund these services to save these children. This is tough with the anti-tax culture we live in today. Lets face it... answers cost money ...manpower and time.
Our choice... well adjusted tax payers of the future... or welfare burdens at best and criminals at worst that drain our tax money and put our lives in danger.
Butch

I do believe the biggest reason resources are scarce in public schools is due to society's generally allowing (forcing?) schools to do more than just educate. Parenting is being left up to the schools and that, imo, is what is draining the resources.

If a child is a disrespectful little asshole, is that grounds for removing the child from his parent(s)?

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Our public institutions are reflecting the problems of the community. But it is not the responsibility for our educators ... or our police to correct these problems. Our schools are for education and if a child cannot behave then they cannot be allowed to disrupt the education of others. They should not be allowed to attend school until their behavior is acceptable.
The proper behavior has no color...black or white red or yellow all must be held to the same standard. Social mores are not an excuse for misbehavior.
Butch

We agree on this. How do you get parents who are not parenting in a way that results in students with better behavior?

Resources are scarce in our public school systems and should not be spent attempting to correct student behavior. Troubled children that are removed from school because of bad behavior should be reported to social services and they should investigate the child's home life. It is up to us as taxpayers if we are to properly fund these services to save these children. This is tough with the anti-tax culture we live in today. Lets face it... answers cost money ...manpower and time.
Our choice... well adjusted tax payers of the future... or welfare burdens at best and criminals at worst that drain our tax money and put our lives in danger.
Butch

I do believe the biggest reason resources are scarce in public schools is due to society's generally allowing (forcing?) schools to do more than just educate. Parenting is being left up to the schools and that, imo, is what is draining the resources.

If a child is a disrespectful little asshole, is that grounds for removing the child from his parent(s)?

I believe it is grounds to evaluate his or her home life situation. It is not always the child's parents at fault but it is the responsibility of the parents to correct the behavior. If they refuse or cannot do it then hard decisions must be made by social services. We need to make sure social services are properly funded and properly trained.

Butch

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sadly... underfunded, low pay, high stress, and underappreciated.

Butch

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The amount of destruction that a student has to do in order to be placed at an alternate education location is ridiculous. I know teachers that have had several surgeries due to injuries from students.

It is really a sad state of affairs everywhere, and I worry that many more will quit teaching all over the country.

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violence is less likely in private high schools due to their ability to manage or avoid the main risk factors...

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Typical crimes that plague public schools are less common at private schools.

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Commentary From Dr. D. James Kennedy

The tragedy in Littleton, Colorado, has focused the attention of our nation like few events in recent years. By now I'm sure you have heard how students like Cassie Bernall boldly professed their faith in the face of death. At least eight of the students killed that day were devout Christians.

I personally received scores of letters, e-mails, faxes and reports directly from those in Littleton that make it clear that God has been at work in the aftermath of this nightmare. We know that more than 100 Columbine High students have accepted Christ since that horrendous day, and countless more young people across the nation have seen their eternal destinies changed.

Still, the questions remain: What went wrong? What has happened to create an environment for this kind of violence in our schools?

There is no single, simple cause or reason for such a tragedy, but I believe that much of the blame must be laid right on the marble steps of the U.S. Supreme Court. Decisions by our highest court have helped create a climate of moral relativism that has convinced today's young people that life is cheap.

First, the Supreme Court removed prayer from our schools. The secularists made banning prayer a top priority because prayer implies accountability to a higher authority. And in today's secular worldview, man is the ultimate authority. Thus, there is no room for prayer.

Second, the Court rid our schools of the Bible. We should not wonder why Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had no overriding sense of right and wrong. For most of their lives they more than likely learned in school that God and the Bible are irrelevant. In 1980, the Supreme Court went so far as to rip the Ten Commandments right off the walls of our public schools for fear that, if posted, the commandments would “induce the schoolchildren to read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey, the Commandments.”

The Supreme Court also established evolution as the official orthodoxy of public education, censoring any evidence that counters it. Thus, beginning in kindergarten, our children are brainwashed to believe that they have not been created, that they are no different than animals. And we wonder why our schools have become jungles. Finally, the Supreme Court granted legal justification for the killing of unborn babies. With the stroke of a pen, life suddenly became cheap and expendable.

Upon seeing several Columbine High students and parents praying and weeping together, one news reporter said, “Prayer has returned to the public schools of America.” In just nine words, that reporter exposed the deadly irony of what has become of our nation at the dawn of a new millennium.

How much more blood must be shed before we return to God? Let us pray that the example of faith which has come from those courageous young Christians in Littleton will cause a mighty move of God's Spirit to sweep across this land, even reaching those marble steps of our Supreme Court.

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The Supreme Court also established evolution as the official orthodoxy of public education, censoring any evidence that counters it. Thus, beginning in kindergarten, our children are brainwashed to believe that they have not been created, that they are no different than animals. And we wonder why our schools have become jungles. Finally, the Supreme Court granted legal justification for the killing of unborn babies. With the stroke of a pen, life suddenly became cheap and expendable.

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sadly... underfunded, low pay, high stress, and underappreciated.

Butch

Yes and you are required to have a Masters Degree here. Just like teaching.

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The Democratic Party and the liberal left’s obsession with disparate impact race politics crept into K-12 public education. Their latest social engineering experimentation uses black and Hispanic kids in poor urban classrooms as pawns for political power. Education is secondary.

Liberals believe they can artificially wipe away serious behavior problems that are cultural in nature. They do this by labeling reasonable standards of classroom discipline as racist or discriminatory. When urban schools with predominantly black and Hispanic students enacted protocols that create an environment where learning can take place, more suspensions and expulsions resulted, accompanied by a widening of the achievement gap between black students and their white counterparts.

The knee-jerk reaction from liberals was to claim that school disciplinary policies that disproportionally affected black and Hispanic kids were culturally insensitive, discriminatory and evidence of racism. The liberals were confusing correlation and causation. School officials were even discouraged from calling police even in cases of violent assaults - that could also be considered racist.

Social engineers in colleges and universities began drawing up untested experiments using black and Hispanic kids as laboratory rats. They wanted to show that leaving disruptive kids in the classroom, instead of removing them for serious behavior violations including assaults on teachers, would improve scholastic performance.

Instead, disruptions and scholastic performance both got worse. Leaving disruptive kids in a classroom is a danger not only to the teacher but to other students as well. The university professors are nowhere near the classrooms to see the disaster they created with their inane idea, nor are they held accountable.

Not surprisingly, no amount of cultural sensitivity training of school officials will negate the culturally dysfunctional baggage brought to school every day by students.

Too many black kids today do not come to school in a state of readiness to learn. They have not been read to by parents. They are not socially adjusted for a group environment like a classroom, nor have they been reasonably disciplined for unwanted behavior. This emotional baggage is then thrown into the lap of a teacher who does not have the education or skills for handling these serious emotional and behavioral problems.

Kids have an excuse because of their age, immaturity and bad parenting. The parents of those disruptive kids have no excuse. Long ago, parents were absolved of their responsibility to raise their kids effectively. Liberal social dogma told them racism was at the root of their inability to raise kids who were ready for the demands of a school classroom.

Poverty was to blame too. Now liberals had a reason for not just government but economic intervention as well. This gave the left a two-for-one moment to enact expensive government-run tax-supported programs. They could spend more money not just on unproven education experiments but also on new anti-poverty programs...

We are on our way to kids being taken immediately from the maternity ward to a government school. They are already being fed three meals a day and provided for by taxpayer-funded after-school programs. Why not just start them on the road to government dependency, not to mention indoctrination and exposure to leftist dogma, as early in life as possible?

GOP politicians in Congress have been reluctant to challenge the efficacy of these expensive programs lest they are accused of not caring about black and Hispanic children, or being outright racist. Nothing makes a white Republican politician run like their hair is on fire faster than being accused of not caring about black kids.

[remember, we're all raaaaaaaaaaaaacists]

Education has always been the traditional vehicle for upward mobility in America. It is even more important in today’s knowledge-based economy.

Blacks who have embraced education are less likely to have kids who drop out of school, commit crimes, join gangs or make other flawed lifestyle choices like drug and alcohol abuse and having children they are ill-equipped to raise.

One of the hallmarks of slavery was criminalizing the education of black children thus keeping them ignorant. I would argue that many of today’s public school policies achieve the same results - they keep kids ignorant.

The goal of social activists is not to fix education problems but to fix the statistics. They are focusing on the wrong thing. Statistics can be exploited not only to make school problems (seem to) disappear, but also to demonstrate the need for the continuation of government programs. The kids who fail in school today are the population that tomorrow will fill jails and prisons and be in need of government assistance.

Former President George W. Bush called these low expectations “soft bigotry.” He was right. Now the left wants to back up the soft bigotry with faulty statistics.

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sadly... underfunded, low pay, high stress, and underappreciated.

Butch

Yes and you are required to have a Masters Degree here. Just like teaching.

I have to wonder if the level of education is actually higher than when 1-8 grades were taught by "Normal School" graduates. Degree inflation is crippling the country requiring the current generation to go into crippling debt for a "degree" where most jobs don't need baccalaureate level training at all much less a Master's program.

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a Christian response after columbine:

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Commentary From Dr. D. James Kennedy

The tragedy in Littleton, Colorado, has focused the attention of our nation like few events in recent years. By now I'm sure you have heard how students like Cassie Bernall boldly professed their faith in the face of death. At least eight of the students killed that day were devout Christians.

I personally received scores of letters, e-mails, faxes and reports directly from those in Littleton that make it clear that God has been at work in the aftermath of this nightmare. We know that more than 100 Columbine High students have accepted Christ since that horrendous day, and countless more young people across the nation have seen their eternal destinies changed.

Still, the questions remain: What went wrong? What has happened to create an environment for this kind of violence in our schools?

There is no single, simple cause or reason for such a tragedy, but I believe that much of the blame must be laid right on the marble steps of the U.S. Supreme Court. Decisions by our highest court have helped create a climate of moral relativism that has convinced today's young people that life is cheap.

First, the Supreme Court removed prayer from our schools. The secularists made banning prayer a top priority because prayer implies accountability to a higher authority. And in today's secular worldview, man is the ultimate authority. Thus, there is no room for prayer.

Second, the Court rid our schools of the Bible. We should not wonder why Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had no overriding sense of right and wrong. For most of their lives they more than likely learned in school that God and the Bible are irrelevant. In 1980, the Supreme Court went so far as to rip the Ten Commandments right off the walls of our public schools for fear that, if posted, the commandments would “induce the schoolchildren to read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey, the Commandments.”

The Supreme Court also established evolution as the official orthodoxy of public education, censoring any evidence that counters it. Thus, beginning in kindergarten, our children are brainwashed to believe that they have not been created, that they are no different than animals. And we wonder why our schools have become jungles. Finally, the Supreme Court granted legal justification for the killing of unborn babies. With the stroke of a pen, life suddenly became cheap and expendable.

Upon seeing several Columbine High students and parents praying and weeping together, one news reporter said, “Prayer has returned to the public schools of America.” In just nine words, that reporter exposed the deadly irony of what has become of our nation at the dawn of a new millennium.

How much more blood must be shed before we return to God? Let us pray that the example of faith which has come from those courageous young Christians in Littleton will cause a mighty move of God's Spirit to sweep across this land, even reaching those marble steps of our Supreme Court.

https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-school-violence.html