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DaddySatyr -> A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 6:59:10 AM)


A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be
By Michael The Libertarian


For many years, I have been harping on the idea that our elected officials, most particularly our congress critters, should be voting the way we want them to vote, when we send them to Washington D.C.

Now, let's not – you and I – dear reader, confuse issues. “Talking heads” are constantly repeating the false claim of: “We live in a democracy!” Actually, we don't. We live in a democratic republic. More accurately, in practice, we live in a representative democracy.

Representative … It's interesting (to me, anyway) that “the peoples' house” of the congress is populated by people called “representative”. “The peoples' house” is referred to as: “The House of Representatives”. Coincidence? Well, based upon the behavior of most of those congress critters over the last fifty years or so, I would think it's more oxymoron than coincidence.

These bloviating die-hards are under the mistaken impression that we elect them to be “leaders” rather than representatives. It's one of the symptoms of a disease I've been railing against for decades, now. The disease is the erosion of the principles upon which this country was founded; public service.

Even before this country was a country, the continental congresses were made up of citizens, chosen by their neighbors, to let the rest of the country know how those citizens back home felt.

Going to the congress wasn't seen as a career. In fact, it was a huge dent in one's career. Most, back then, were farmers or maybe, they owned some kind of small business, but having to leave home (some of them couldn't really travel back and forth because of geographical and time constraints) for months (at minimum) meant that whatever your trade was, it was going to suffer. Back in these days, elected officials really were “public servants” and God bless them, each and every one.

What we have, today is a system by which men and women become politicians and make elected office their “career”. What's really troubling about this is something that is the fault of the politicians and we, as a people.

What career politicians have devolved into is people who almost never keep their promises. A group that frequently runs to their base (either right or left) during primaries and then, pretends to become centrists, in order to win the general election. They will tell you this makes them “statesmen”. It makes them artists of deception (“liars” for those of you in Poughkeepsie).

Now, as I have come to learn, comes a man who is trying to return to those golden years of yore (although, I am sure he wishes to make politics a career, also). Michael Allman is running for congress in California's 52nd district. He has vowed to vote the way the people in his district direct him to vote; even if he doesn't agree with the vote!

In today's day of politics, that is amazing and refreshing.

From Allman's website: “I am running for congress because the political infighting and posturing that’s happening in Washington has to change. Voters are more engaged in political debate than ever before, but their views are not well represented in the current politicized environment. I’m going to change that. When I am elected to congress, I am going to vote on issues the way my constituents tell me to vote, on an issue-by-issue basis.”

See? Exactly as it should be. It almost makes me wish the idea of living in The Peoples' Republic of California again wasn't such a distasteful idea.

Okay, you want “fair and balanced”? You want criticism? That's simple: Allman claims to be a Republican and successful Republicans in southern California are like successful left-handed snipers in the military … almost unheard of. What I predict happening, here is: once he gets elected, people that didn't vote for him, by-and-large will be the ones influencing how he votes in congress. In effect, he'll be another rabid democrat that just happens to have an “R” after his name.

But, I like his principle and I think all 435 members of the house aught to adopt it. It would make them more palatable to me.

Think of it, when was the last time you heard a politician say: “I'm going to vote on … the tax bill, for example … the way my constituents want me to vote" as opposed to: “I'm going to vote with the members of my party.”


- Michael







JVoV -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:19:37 AM)

You do realize that anyone that wished to read your blog could just do so there, right?

How many times have you contacted your elected officials regarding any issue? How many letter-writing campaigns have you waged against or for any particular bill or issue?

How the fuck are your elected officials supposed to know what you want if you don't fucking tell them?




WhoreMods -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:22:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
How the fuck are your elected officials supposed to know what you want if you don't fucking tell them?

By reading blogs, apparently.




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:26:24 AM)




quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

You do realize that anyone that wished to read your blog could just do so there, right?


Of course, you're right, but that presupposes that I'd be willing to let the collection of miscreants and shit-stirrers that inhabit these forums access to my blog site. I may have been born last night, but I've been up all night, studying.

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
How many times have you contacted your elected officials regarding any issue? How many letter-writing campaigns have you waged against or for any particular bill or issue?


You got me, there. Only one letter-writing campaign, but dozens (if not hundreds of e-mails). I've called congressional and senatorial offices, whenever issues were important enough to me (roughly 30 times or so).

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
How the fuck are your elected officials supposed to know what you want if you don't fucking tell them?


I know that you, like your fellow leftist warriors like to try to find any way to discredit me, but you're wrong, again, on this issue.

I might also point out that your mind reading skills are pretty punk, also.







MasterDrakk -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:37:06 AM)

LOL. Like someone is actually going to waste a nanosecond of their lives reading your useless, factless horseshit, little mikey.




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:40:49 AM)



Ignorance is bliss and you've always struck me as one happy mo-fo, ronnie.





quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

LOL. Like someone is actually going to waste a nanosecond of their lives reading your useless, factless horseshit, little mikey.






DesideriScuri -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:41:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be
By Michael The Libertarian

For many years, I have been harping on the idea that our elected officials, most particularly our congress critters, should be voting the way we want them to vote, when we send them to Washington D.C.
...
These bloviating die-hards are under the mistaken impression that we elect them to be “leaders” rather than representatives. It's one of the symptoms of a disease I've been railing against for decades, now. The disease is the erosion of the principles upon which this country was founded; public service.
...
- Michael


This is an interesting topic, and one I've brought up before (here and elsewhere). Do we elect a person to vote only the way his constituents want him to vote, or do we elect the person whose beliefs line up most with our own?

If we are solely electing a mouthpiece, then every election would come down to who you think will just represent the constituents accurately. If you don't believe I'll simply vote the way the majority of my constituents would vote, don't give me your vote. It wouldn't matter about party affiliation or anything.

However, if we vote for the person we believe holds the same beliefs (or most of the same beliefs) as we, then we are electing a person we believe will vote the way he believes, even in cases where his beliefs are ours aren't exactly aligned. For instance, if we vote for Rep 1 who holds the same beliefs as us in 9 of 10 categories, we will be voting for a guy who will represent us accurately in 9 of 10 categories. Party affiliation will loosely give you a bird's eye view of a person's beliefs, but you just may have a lot more in common than you might think.

I don't believe the "strictly a mouthpiece" model is, or ever has been, the style we vote for or against.




MasterDrakk -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:42:49 AM)

Why dont you blog about say ... little mikey the factless welfare check living libertarian, get some facts in there little fraudulent mikey




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:46:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

This is an interesting topic, and one I've brought up before (here and elsewhere). Do we elect a person to vote only the way his constituents want him to vote, or do we elect the person whose beliefs line up most with our own?

If we are solely electing a mouthpiece, then every election would come down to who you think will just represent the constituents accurately. If you don't believe I'll simply vote the way the majority of my constituents would vote, don't give me your vote. It wouldn't matter about party affiliation or anything.

However, if we vote for the person we believe holds the same beliefs (or most of the same beliefs) as we, then we are electing a person we believe will vote the way he believes, even in cases where his beliefs are ours aren't exactly aligned. For instance, if we vote for Rep 1 who holds the same beliefs as us in 9 of 10 categories, we will be voting for a guy who will represent us accurately in 9 of 10 categories. Party affiliation will loosely give you a bird's eye view of a person's beliefs, but you just may have a lot more in common than you might think.

I don't believe the "strictly a mouthpiece" model is, or ever has been, the style we vote for or against.



Clearly, we disagree and that's okay, but try to match this up with an just about any issue in this country. Do you think it's a good idea for "R"-type congress critters in NY and CA to vote for the tax plan that gives no relief for state taxes? It's certainly not good for their constituents. It's probably good for the middle of the country, especially the rust belt where I happen to live.

I still like the idea of the people I pull a lever for doing their best to make sure they know what their constituents want before they go to the floor to vote.

I commend that behavior.



Peace,


Michael




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:49:57 AM)


Poor ronnie. So wrong again.

You see, I'm one of those evil capitalists. I live on residuals from my previous career and my current endeavors. It's not as glorious as selling little chachkis to tourists, but I enjoy it.

What's really ironic is ronnie's lack of reading ability is on display, again. You see, there are some facts in there (like a quote from the candidate's website), but you missed them. See if you can get an adult to help you out with the words that have more than four letters, ronnie.






quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

Why dont you blog about say ... little mikey the factless welfare check living libertarian, get some facts in there little fraudulent mikey





DesideriScuri -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:54:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
This is an interesting topic, and one I've brought up before (here and elsewhere). Do we elect a person to vote only the way his constituents want him to vote, or do we elect the person whose beliefs line up most with our own?
If we are solely electing a mouthpiece, then every election would come down to who you think will just represent the constituents accurately. If you don't believe I'll simply vote the way the majority of my constituents would vote, don't give me your vote. It wouldn't matter about party affiliation or anything.
However, if we vote for the person we believe holds the same beliefs (or most of the same beliefs) as we, then we are electing a person we believe will vote the way he believes, even in cases where his beliefs are ours aren't exactly aligned. For instance, if we vote for Rep 1 who holds the same beliefs as us in 9 of 10 categories, we will be voting for a guy who will represent us accurately in 9 of 10 categories. Party affiliation will loosely give you a bird's eye view of a person's beliefs, but you just may have a lot more in common than you might think.
I don't believe the "strictly a mouthpiece" model is, or ever has been, the style we vote for or against.

Clearly, we disagree and that's okay, but try to match this up with an just about any issue in this country. Do you think it's a good idea for "R"-type congress critters in NY and CA to vote for the tax plan that gives no relief for state taxes? It's certainly not good for their constituents. It's probably good for the middle of the country, especially the rust belt where I happen to live.
I still like the idea of the people I pull a lever for doing their best to make sure they know what their constituents want before they go to the floor to vote.
I commend that behavior.
Peace,
Michael


What happens when the mouthpiece has heard more from constituents that don't agree with you? And, come to think of it, how do you know which side of an issue he's heard from his constituents most?

And, I passed no judgment on which format I prefer. I was just pointing out that I don't think we've ever ha (nor will we ever) the one (which you and I both happen to prefer).




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 7:59:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

What happens when the mouthpiece has heard more from constituents that don't agree with you? And, come to think of it, how do you know which side of an issue he's heard from his constituents most?



I'm pretty sure I covered this, specifically in the piece.

What will happen, in this case, if Allman gets elected, his district (San Diego County and it's environs, I believe) is majority democrat (at least based upon voting history). So, Allman will become (effectively) a Democrat with an "R" after his name; kind of like McCain has been for some time.



Peace,


Michael




WhoreMods -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 8:13:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
This is an interesting topic, and one I've brought up before (here and elsewhere). Do we elect a person to vote only the way his constituents want him to vote, or do we elect the person whose beliefs line up most with our own?

If we are solely electing a mouthpiece, then every election would come down to who you think will just represent the constituents accurately. If you don't believe I'll simply vote the way the majority of my constituents would vote, don't give me your vote. It wouldn't matter about party affiliation or anything.

However, if we vote for the person we believe holds the same beliefs (or most of the same beliefs) as we, then we are electing a person we believe will vote the way he believes, even in cases where his beliefs are ours aren't exactly aligned. For instance, if we vote for Rep 1 who holds the same beliefs as us in 9 of 10 categories, we will be voting for a guy who will represent us accurately in 9 of 10 categories. Party affiliation will loosely give you a bird's eye view of a person's beliefs, but you just may have a lot more in common than you might think.

I don't believe the "strictly a mouthpiece" model is, or ever has been, the style we vote for or against.


What chunk of the electorate do you feel are voting for a mouthpiece or a representative rather than voting against somebody else? That's the consequence of the move to personality politics and treating elections as celebrity gameshow rather than a manifestation of political debate, and it seems likely to get much worse before any signs of improvement appear.




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 8:18:47 AM)


I wanted to address one, in a slightly different way, also and I forgot to:

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

You do realize that anyone that wished to read your blog could just do so there, right?



You do realize that ANYTHING I post on this website is my own thoughts and whether I was writing outside or not, I would have addressed this issue here, in some way, right?







MasterDrakk -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 9:38:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Poor ronnie. So wrong again.

You see, I'm one of those evil capitalists. I live on residuals from my previous career and my current endeavors. It's not as glorious as selling little chachkis to tourists, but I enjoy it.

What's really ironic is ronnie's lack of reading ability is on display, again. You see, there are some facts in there (like a quote from the candidate's website), but you missed them. See if you can get an adult to help you out with the words that have more than four letters, ronnie.






quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

Why dont you blog about say ... little mikey the factless welfare check living libertarian, get some facts in there little fraudulent mikey



Bullshit. You are a poor little mikey welfare queen. And the quote is cute and he will vote as the lobbyists tell him to vote on their laws, just like all the 'libertarians' do.




BamaD -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 9:53:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be
By Michael The Libertarian

For many years, I have been harping on the idea that our elected officials, most particularly our congress critters, should be voting the way we want them to vote, when we send them to Washington D.C.
...
These bloviating die-hards are under the mistaken impression that we elect them to be “leaders” rather than representatives. It's one of the symptoms of a disease I've been railing against for decades, now. The disease is the erosion of the principles upon which this country was founded; public service.
...
- Michael


This is an interesting topic, and one I've brought up before (here and elsewhere). Do we elect a person to vote only the way his constituents want him to vote, or do we elect the person whose beliefs line up most with our own?

If we are solely electing a mouthpiece, then every election would come down to who you think will just represent the constituents accurately. If you don't believe I'll simply vote the way the majority of my constituents would vote, don't give me your vote. It wouldn't matter about party affiliation or anything.

However, if we vote for the person we believe holds the same beliefs (or most of the same beliefs) as we, then we are electing a person we believe will vote the way he believes, even in cases where his beliefs are ours aren't exactly aligned. For instance, if we vote for Rep 1 who holds the same beliefs as us in 9 of 10 categories, we will be voting for a guy who will represent us accurately in 9 of 10 categories. Party affiliation will loosely give you a bird's eye view of a person's beliefs, but you just may have a lot more in common than you might think.

I don't believe the "strictly a mouthpiece" model is, or ever has been, the style we vote for or against.


I agree, the only way I will be represented by someone who totally agrees
with me is when I get to congress.




bounty44 -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 10:32:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

Why dont you blog about say ... little mikey the factless welfare check living libertarian, get some facts in there little fraudulent mikey


I can only imagine that a person who repeatedly comes here for the sake of insulting others, and to clearly lie about them and their posts, must lead a pretty joyless and more importantly, meaningless life.





DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 11:41:17 AM)


Isn't it illegal to "misgender" someone in the UK? I thought that's where you claim to be from, ronnie? Wait 'til the queen finds out how norty ronnie's been.

You are a pitiful little man.





quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk
Bullshit. You are a poor little mikey welfare queen. And the quote is cute and he will vote as the lobbyists tell him to vote on their laws, just like all the 'libertarians' do.




MasterDrakk -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 11:45:33 AM)

You dont know any more about the UK than you demonstrably know anything at all welfare queen mikey.




DaddySatyr -> RE: A Return to the Way Things Aught to Be (11/30/2017 11:49:54 AM)


Poor roonie ... so trapped ... so impotent ... so mentally sclerotic.

It's a pity to watch a human deteriorate right before your eyes over the years.

Go sell some more chachkis and, maybe, if you save your pennies and invest wisely, you can live like I do, ronnie. Until then, go crawl back under that rock you call "home".









quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk

You dont know any more about the UK than you demonstrably know anything at all welfare queen mikey.





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