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ORIGINAL: kdsub

You see that is one of his problems among many... he was not President and his actions could be considered against the law.

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You cannot have two Presidents making policy for the nation.

Butch

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On July 24, 2008, then-senator Obama delivered a speech in Berlin, Germany four months before winning the presidential election, and six months before he was sworn into office. At the start of his remarks, Obama thanked Chancellor Angela Merkel and then-Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier for personally welcoming him earlier in the day. Presumably during that welcome, Obama and the aforementioned leaders of Germany exchanged pleasantries, and they might have even had a conversation.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I am honestly sickened by the possible implications of the Flynn deal. And I'm afraid of what's to come for our country.

I find no joy in the possibility that our President was cooperating with a foreign power to win the election. But the evidence continues coming.

I don't see how any of this could actually be good for our country. What happens if/when Trump resigns or gets impeached? Obviously, Pence gets a promotion, but what about Trump's base? Will Pence pardon Trump, or let justice prevail?

If the investigation extends past summer, then I would be worried about the 2018 elections. Democrats have much more to lose, facing 25 re-election (27 if you count Bernie and the other Independent), while Republicans only have 9 seats up for grabs.

And we're only 10 days away from Alabama's special election, and polls are really just too damn close. Scary shit. But even if R's lose the seat, that puts the Senate in an exact tie for 2018's calendar, with the VP serving as a tiebreaker when necessary.

Scary shit.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

You see that is one of his problems among many... he was not President and his actions could be considered against the law.

But only in your imagination, not reality

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You cannot have two Presidents making policy for the nation.

Butch

Only if it is a Republican that your propaganda feeds are howling about though

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On July 24, 2008, then-senator Obama delivered a speech in Berlin, Germany four months before winning the presidential election, and six months before he was sworn into office. At the start of his remarks, Obama thanked Chancellor Angela Merkel and then-Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier for personally welcoming him earlier in the day. Presumably during that welcome, Obama and the aforementioned leaders of Germany exchanged pleasantries, and they might have even had a conversation.

Not to mention, Obama is traveling the world right now meeting with many foreign leaders

Why don't we see you howling about that

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Obama is not making policy.... neither is Clinton

Butch

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On July 24, 2008, then-senator Obama delivered a speech in Berlin, Germany four months before winning the presidential election, and six months before he was sworn into office. At the start of his remarks, Obama thanked Chancellor Angela Merkel and then-Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier for personally welcoming him earlier in the day. Presumably during that welcome, Obama and the aforementioned leaders of Germany exchanged pleasantries, and they might have even had a conversation.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I am honestly sickened by the possible implications of the Flynn deal. And I'm afraid of what's to come for our country.

I find no joy in the possibility that our President was cooperating with a foreign power to win the election. But the evidence continues coming.

I don't see how any of this could actually be good for our country. What happens if/when Trump resigns or gets impeached? Obviously, Pence gets a promotion, but what about Trump's base? Will Pence pardon Trump, or let justice prevail?

If the investigation extends past summer, then I would be worried about the 2018 elections. Democrats have much more to lose, facing 25 re-election (27 if you count Bernie and the other Independent), while Republicans only have 9 seats up for grabs.

And we're only 10 days away from Alabama's special election, and polls are really just too damn close. Scary shit. But even if R's lose the seat, that puts the Senate in an exact tie for 2018's calendar, with the VP serving as a tiebreaker when necessary.

Scary shit.

Again, there is zero evidence anywhere that President Trump had anything to do with changing the election outcome with "the Russians"

Face facts, your pussyhat queen was just a piss poor choice on your part

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
So why lie? Why try to cover it up? That boggles my mind and leads to several questions.
Who was he protecting?
What did he think had been done illegally? Had it?

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Trump says Michael Flynn's actions during transition were 'lawful' and 'there was nothing to hide'

President Donald Trump defended Michael Flynn, even as he acknowledged having to fire the former general for lying to federal officials, including the Vice President.

"There was nothing to hide!" Trump exclaimed in a tweet, hours after he told reporters there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/02/trump-says-michael-flynns-actions-during-transition-were-lawful-and-there-was-nothing-to-hide.html?recirc=taboolainternal

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


Of course, in-coming presidents and their chosen representatives (Obviously, there's no "cabinet", yet) are "allowed" to meet with foreign leaders or their representatives. It's become quite common-place.

The issue is they're not allowed to negotiate with foreign leaders/representatives because in this country, we have ONE president/administration-at-a-time.

If Flynn said anything akin to the reports I've heard that go along the lines of: "Don't worry about those Obama sanctions. We're going to change those as soon as we get in. Please ask Vlad to not retaliate. It will all be fine.", he is guilty of violating (I guess it's not exactly law but ...) standards and practices. It's some kind of "no-no" (I looked it up. It's called: "The Logan Act". It's interesting to note that NO ONE - not even Jane Fonda - has ever been prosecuted under it, according to my reading).

If President-elect Trump sent him with that specific message, that is a big deal.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
So why lie? Why try to cover it up? That boggles my mind and leads to several questions.
Who was he protecting?
What did he think had been done illegally? Had it?

Let's ask the president what he thinks about the guy he fired for lying:

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Trump says Michael Flynn's actions during transition were 'lawful' and 'there was nothing to hide'

President Donald Trump defended Michael Flynn, even as he acknowledged having to fire the former general for lying to federal officials, including the Vice President.

"There was nothing to hide!" Trump exclaimed in a tweet, hours after he told reporters there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Russia.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/02/trump-says-michael-flynns-actions-during-transition-were-lawful-and-there-was-nothing-to-hide.html?recirc=taboolainternal

So... Flynn is apparently just an idiot who lied for no reason

Happens all the time

Leftists need this to claim victory after their pussyhat queen lost though, so they have to pretend there are all kinds of mysterious deep dark Russian conspiracies in their almost cartoonish delusions

The simplest answer will never do for those types

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 (Emphasis by DaddySatyr)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Of course, in-coming presidents and their chosen representatives (Obviously, there's no "cabinet", yet) are "allowed" to meet with foreign leaders or their representatives. It's become quite common-place.

The issue is they're not allowed to negotiate with foreign leaders/representatives because in this country, we have ONE president/administration-at-a-time.

If Flynn said anything akin to the reports I've heard that go along the lines of: "Don't worry about those Obama sanctions. We're going to change those as soon as we get in. Please ask Vlad to not retaliate. It will all be fine.", he is guilty of violating (I guess it's not exactly law but ...) standards and practices. It's some kind of "no-no" (I looked it up. It's called: "The Logan Act". It's interesting to note that NO ONE - not even Jane Fonda - has ever been prosecuted under it, according to my reading).

If President-elect Trump sent him with that specific message, that is a big deal.

We will find out very soon that Flynn has told Mueller that very thing. That the President-elect sent him with that specific message.

My prediction... By the end of January, we will have 98% of the facts.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

His plea deal (the inclusion of co-operation), which is pretty much boiler plate, is "scary" on two levels:

President Trump may have some exposure, here.

The second is President Trump may NOT have some exposure, here and the investigators past history of showing a preference for Shrillary and democrats, in general, might cause them to disbelieve that Flynn has no information about "Russian Collusion" and rescind the deal.

With that sword of Damocles hanging over his head, Flynn might decide to give them what they want. Not only would that be bad for President Trump, but the bastardization of law would be bad for the country.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

From the report:

1) He asked the Russian ambasador to pass on the request that the incoming administration would like Russia to refrain from drastic action as a result of the sanctions passed that day...

What the hell is wrong with that?

Of course is that was all the conversation dealt with, why the fuck did he lie about the conversation?

Now if there was a promise the new administration would get the sanctions removed, that's different.

"Mr. Ambassador, the president elect would appreciate your government not going bat shit over the new sanctions since we will be dealing with a lot of crap during transition."

"Mr Flynn I will pass the request to our government."

"thanks"

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji
Flynn’s comment was on par with Obama saying into an open mic that th Russians should wait until he’s re-elected and he would talk to them then. Same thing. And Obama never lied to us is why he’s not in jail....

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Obama is not making policy.... neither is Clinton

Butch

Probably just discussing his grandchildren then

And what about this:

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On July 24, 2008, then-senator Obama delivered a speech in Berlin, Germany four months before winning the presidential election, and six months before he was sworn into office. At the start of his remarks, Obama thanked Chancellor Angela Merkel and then-Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier for personally welcoming him earlier in the day. Presumably during that welcome, Obama and the aforementioned leaders of Germany exchanged pleasantries, and they might have even had a conversation.

That was all about policy

Lock him up?

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Since the day he announced, "this is the end of Trump"

Today is just another day, exactly like every other. Some fool has theories he thinks are real with no basis in fact and no evidence other than the same constant "unnamed sources" propaganda drivel we have been hearing from day one that never pans out

It's supposed to be a crime for a president-elect to meet with foreign leaders, but Obama did that in 2008 as a mere candidate, and he is also doing that right now as we speak as a former president

Another of those millions of things that are only bad if it was a Republican who might have done it

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Since the day he announced, "this is the end of Trump"

Today is just another day, exactly like every other. Some fool has theories he thinks are real with no basis in fact and no evidence other than the same constant "unnamed sources" propaganda drivel we have been hearing from day one that never pans out

It's supposed to be a crime for a president-elect to meet with foreign leaders, but Obama did that in 2008 as a mere candidate, and he is also doing that right now as we speak as a former president

Another of those millions of things that are only bad if it was a Republican who might have done it