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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You may be right, but, it's also possible you're not.

I truly don't believe this will be of any real consequence.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You may be right, but, it's also possible you're not.

I truly don't believe this will be of any real consequence.

Sounds like an effort to force leftists 'deep state' types to stop placing purely emotional arguments into documents where logic and reason had ought to dictate policy and numbers

Leftists lost the election and as Obama loved to say, elections have consequences

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You may be right, but, it's also possible you're not.

I truly don't believe this will be of any real consequence.

Sounds like an effort to force leftists 'deep state' types to stop placing purely emotional arguments into documents where logic and reason had ought to dictate policy and numbers

Leftists lost the election and as Obama loved to say, elections have consequences

It is no surprise that it sounds like that to you :)

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You may be right, but, it's also possible you're not.

I truly don't believe this will be of any real consequence.

Sounds like an effort to force leftists 'deep state' types to stop placing purely emotional arguments into documents where logic and reason had ought to dictate policy and numbers

Leftists lost the election and as Obama loved to say, elections have consequences

It is no surprise that it sounds like that to you :)

No surprise that mindless howlers like you demand emotional arguments in budget matters

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I demand accurately described facts in.budget documents. That is the way I do my budgets at work, and it is what the CDC is trying to do. However, they are being thwarted by an administration which is beholdened to wealthy right wing ideologues who prefer their own ideaology to actual facts.

Sad, but true.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I demand accurately described facts in.budget documents. That is the way I do my budgets at work, and it is what the CDC is trying to do. However, they are being thwarted by an administration which is beholdened to wealthy right wing ideologues who prefer their own ideaology to actual facts.

Sad, but true.

Before you can demand that your emotional arguments take the place of sound accounting practices, you have to win elections

Ironically, a large part of the reason you keep losing so many elections (thereby giving Republicans control over every branch of government) are your knee-jerk purely emotional arguments

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what kind of newspeak should they use instead?

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Isn't it the job of the CDC to determine what areas or populations are vulnerable to any given disease? Are the elderly no longer vulnerable to the flu?
Can the CDC discuss fetal alcohol syndrome without mentioning the fetus?

Is there to be a discussion on "fetal alcohol syndrome" or "vulnerable populations" in a budget report?

Did you read the OP, or just scan the headline and scan the words? If you just scanned the headline and words, you missed quite a bit of the story.

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The Committee continues support for the NVSS which provides data on births, deaths, and fetal deaths. The Committee is aware most States now or will soon have operational electronic birth and death registration systems, an essential tool in monitoring public health and fighting waste, fraud, and abuse in Federal entitlement programs...

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The Office of Minority Health and Health Equity includes the Office of Women’s Health and the Diversity Management Program, and provides leadership for CDC-wide policies, strategies, planning, and evaluation to eliminate health disparities.

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CDC monitors the implementation of its national surveys to ensure the collection and provision of accurate, high quality data. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey mobile examination centers visited the planned 15 communities in FY 2016 (Measure 8.F) to achieve the geographic diversity needed for nationally representative estimates.

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Currently, more than 1.1 million Americans live with HIV and populations such as, gay, transgender, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM), Blacks or African Americans, Hispanics or Latinos, and people who live in the Southern United States, are disproportionately affected.

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The emergence and spread of the Zika virus is the latest and most notable viral vector-borne threat. Zika virus has spread to 64 countries and territories and is the only mosquito-borne arbovirus known to be sexually transmitted or to cause microcephaly and other associated severe birth defects in fetuses.

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Pg.43 "CDC supports science-based communication efforts..."

Pg.53 "Providing science-based and culturally appropriate training and capacity building support for partner organizations..."

Pg.58 "CDC also invests in organizations that provide science-based training and capacity building support for partner organizations..."

Pg.108 "In addition, CDC promotes science-based interventions that prevent decay and promote oral health..."

Pg.250 "CDC’s Core SVIPP program provides support to state health departments to disseminate, implement, and evaluate best practices and science-based strategies for injury and violence prevention programs."

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The Immunization Program purchases routinely recommended vaccines to protect at-risk and vulnerable populations not eligible for immunizations through the Vaccines for Children (VFC) Program and to meet urgent public health needs such as controlling VPD outbreaks...

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what kind of newspeak should they use instead?

Below is an example they were given to use:

Instead of “science-based” or ­“evidence-based,” the suggested phrase is “CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes.

What the hell does community standards and wishes have to do with science and evidence?

Butch

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Isn't it the job of the CDC to determine what areas or populations are vulnerable to any given disease? Are the elderly no longer vulnerable to the flu?
Can the CDC discuss fetal alcohol syndrome without mentioning the fetus?

Is there to be a discussion on "fetal alcohol syndrome" or "vulnerable populations" in a budget report?

Did you read the OP, or just scan the headline and scan the words? If you just scanned the headline and words, you missed quite a bit of the story.

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FR

Before people start trotting out remarks that are even more stupid than "Fascism is coming, dragging a cross, wrapped in a flag" I decided to try finding how this is being applied. Since the CDC produces a document for justifying its funding requests I figured it may be a good place to see how these words and phrases are being used in the first place.

Justification of Estimates for Appropriation Committees
https://www.cdc.gov/budget/documents/fy2018/fy-2018-cdc-congressional-justification.pdf

The word "vulnerable" appears nine times. Its use either refers to the vulnerability of the US as a country or appears in conjunction with terms like "at-risk" which seems to be a descriptional redundancy.

The word "entitlement" appears only once. (pg. 311)

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The Committee continues support for the NVSS which provides data on births, deaths, and fetal deaths. The Committee is aware most States now or will soon have operational electronic birth and death registration systems, an essential tool in monitoring public health and fighting waste, fraud, and abuse in Federal entitlement programs...

I don't see what difference it makes including or excluding this word other than it could be another descriptional redundancy


The word "diversity" appears twice (pg. 189 & 252)

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The Office of Minority Health and Health Equity includes the Office of Women’s Health and the Diversity Management Program, and provides leadership for CDC-wide policies, strategies, planning, and evaluation to eliminate health disparities.

and...

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CDC monitors the implementation of its national surveys to ensure the collection and provision of accurate, high quality data. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey mobile examination centers visited the planned 15 communities in FY 2016 (Measure 8.F) to achieve the geographic diversity needed for nationally representative estimates.

Neither entry has anything to do with applications focusing on racial or cultural diversity other than departmental titles.


The word "transgender" appears only once. (pg. 52)

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Currently, more than 1.1 million Americans live with HIV and populations such as, gay, transgender, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM), Blacks or African Americans, Hispanics or Latinos, and people who live in the Southern United States, are disproportionately affected.

Since being transgender does not automatically mean a person is gay, I assume most would agree that this is an appropriate deletion.


The word "fetus" appears only once. (pg. 72)

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The emergence and spread of the Zika virus is the latest and most notable viral vector-borne threat. Zika virus has spread to 64 countries and territories and is the only mosquito-borne arbovirus known to be sexually transmitted or to cause microcephaly and other associated severe birth defects in fetuses.

The easiest words that seem like logical replacements here are "babies" or "children" and I don't see why that would be a big deal.


The phrase "science-based" appears five times and in each case seems to be a descriptional redundancy.

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Pg.43 "CDC supports science-based communication efforts..."

Pg.53 "Providing science-based and culturally appropriate training and capacity building support for partner organizations..."

Pg.58 "CDC also invests in organizations that provide science-based training and capacity building support for partner organizations..."

Pg.108 "In addition, CDC promotes science-based interventions that prevent decay and promote oral health..."

Pg.250 "CDC’s Core SVIPP program provides support to state health departments to disseminate, implement, and evaluate best practices and science-based strategies for injury and violence prevention programs."

The phrase "evidence-based" appears thirty-eight times. As far as I can tell, it's just another descriptional redundancy.

And finally, just to address some of the other comments...

The phrase "vulnerable populations" appears only once. (pg. 42)

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The Immunization Program purchases routinely recommended vaccines to protect at-risk and vulnerable populations not eligible for immunizations through the Vaccines for Children (VFC) Program and to meet urgent public health needs such as controlling VPD outbreaks...

The phrase "fetal alcohol syndrome" does not appear at all.


In my opinion, these changes are actually aimed at trying to loosen the language the CDC has to use in order to define it's budgeting requests, not implement a religious-based ethic to their process. But y'all feel free to do your own homework.

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I don't agree that the words are descriptional redundancies.

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In fact, the word diversity is used as part of a name of a specific department. How is that department to now be funded if it can't be named?

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I don't see anything that needs to be changed in what you've quoted. Even for the single case of the word fetus, it is appropriate to describe the parasite growing in the mother's womb, and specifically addresses the timeframe of exposure to the zika virus, and the problems it can cause. Saying child or baby instead could confuse that.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You may be right, but, it's also possible you're not.

I truly don't believe this will be of any real consequence.

Sounds like an effort to force leftists 'deep state' types to stop placing purely emotional arguments into documents where logic and reason had ought to dictate policy and numbers

Leftists lost the election and as Obama loved to say, elections have consequences

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I don't agree that the words are descriptional redundancies.

Then maybe you can tell me the difference between someone who is "vulnerable" versus someone who is "at risk" within the context of this document?

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In fact, the word diversity is used as part of a name of a specific department. How is that department to now be funded if it can't be named?

Seriously? If it's a REAL problem, you can always give it a new name.

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I don't see anything that needs to be changed in what you've quoted. Even for the single case of the word fetus, it is appropriate to describe the parasite growing in the mother's womb, and specifically addresses the timeframe of exposure to the zika virus, and the problems it can cause. Saying child or baby instead could confuse that.

And I don't see any difference from what other changes have been made. They effect nothing. Discussing Zika is perhaps the one singular instance where changing a word MIGHT cause some confusion but I would think any reasonably educated person could understand what's being said.

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There is no might about it. The Zika virus affects the fetus. Changing Fetus to Baby or Child would confuse the issue. A baby is a child that has been BORN therefore is not a fetus. A child has also been BORN and is therefore not a fetus. I am sorry if you cannot tell the difference but I think the majority of people would be confused. Can you show me proof that the Zika virus is dangerous to a 10 year old CHILD.

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The emergence and spread of the Zika virus is the latest and most notable viral vector-borne threat. Zika virus has spread to 64 countries and territories and is the only mosquito-borne arbovirus known to be sexually transmitted or to cause microcephaly and other associated severe birth defects in fetuses.

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ORIGINAL: susie
There is no might about it. The Zika virus affects the fetus. Changing Fetus to Baby or Child would confuse the issue. A baby is a child that has been BORN therefore is not a fetus. A child has also been BORN and is therefore not a fetus. I am sorry if you cannot tell the difference but I think the majority of people would be confused. Can you show me proof that the Zika virus is dangerous to a 10 year old CHILD.

First of all, Susie, I'm not saying that Zika doesn't affect fetuses. But let's go back and look at the context in which the word is used...

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The emergence and spread of the Zika virus is the latest and most notable viral vector-borne threat. Zika virus has spread to 64 countries and territories and is the only mosquito-borne arbovirus known to be sexually transmitted or to cause microcephaly and other associated severe birth defects in fetuses.

I don't see where any specific moment of time is being referenced that demands the subject be limited to the child being either in or out of the womb. They are not discussing WHEN it gets infected. Simply that Zika causes birth defects. Therefore, any one of those words (fetus, baby, or children) seems completely applicable.