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pahunkboy -> chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 12:09:05 PM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20060729/hl_hsn/scientistsspotchronicpainonoffswitch it is about time! finally!

Dauric -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 12:14:01 PM)
I suppose the thing that worries me is that doctors will begin using this to treat pain without treating the underlying cause of the pain.... Oh, wait... they already do... Don't get me wrong, I'm all for living pain free, but I'm even more for living pain free without the need of painkillers. But that's just my $0.02 Dauric.

pahunkboy -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 12:17:31 PM)
i do like accupuncutre. but it is hard to obtain. ya- my dr had me on bextra and nueontin, until they were questionable drugs. we wouldnt want me on codiene. shtt. a good chiropractor is worth his/her weight in gold.

twicehappy -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 1:42:27 PM)
I'm not holding my breath....... The last "miracle drug" i tried was Humira for Rheumatoid Arthritis, then a spider bit me; five surgeries and a year and a half later i was infection free. If i had not been on the Humira that bite would not have affected me at all. I take Aleve in excessive quantities and use Lortabs a quarter at a time when i have no alternative. I have used a total of two and a half pills this year, at a quarter at a time that equals ten doses. Other than that i live with it how ever i have too.

pahunkboy -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 2:27:17 PM)
Im so sorry to hear about your RA. i do know what pain is- as in chronic physical pain. unless one lives it- [and i dont mean s-m- i mean the body failing to work] i wont hold my breath either. i wish the lawmakers had to LIVE the pain real time for weeks on end- before criminalizing codeine. it friken sucks! hugs my friend. be good -- [i can only imagine ]

FangsNfeet -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 3:00:59 PM)
Without pain and stress, you are not alive.

IronBear -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 8:36:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Im so sorry to hear about your RA. i do know what pain is- as in chronic physical pain. unless one lives it- [and i dont mean s-m- i mean the body failing to work] i wont hold my breath either. i wish the lawmakers had to LIVE the pain real time for weeks on end- before criminalizing codeine. it friken sucks! hugs my friend. be good -- [i can only imagine ] Well said! I agree with you entirely. I watch my wife (Neets) at times crying at night trying to deal with her pain - chronic pain. We both are prescribed morphine sulphate (slow release) for use when the pain is too much to deal with. Our culture here is one of fear of addiction and thus both officialdom and medicos are happy to allow people to live in pain rather than risk their addiction unless they are terminal. Yet these actions are illegal under our Federal Law and International Laws. Simple put however some people are more likely to be addicted to things than others. I’m view of those who poo poo pain and the use of morphine and similar drugs to allow a better level of living is to want them to live 3 months with the level of pain I live 24/7. (Imagine 4 impacted wisdom teeth 24/7 and little pain relief and you may start to get the idea of the hell that some chronic pain suffers live daily). quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet Without pain and stress, you are not alive. To some degree you are correct. Any football player or other sportsman knows this and also knows that stress is oft caused by pain and highlighted by a continuance of pain but adrenaline also helps get through it for a time. Eventually continual pain (chronic pain) will wear down all other barriers with out medical assistance.. FnF, I'm not taking a shot at you, but you post makes me think that you have been blessed and never suffered with long-term debilitating pain. Am I correct?

FangsNfeet -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 9:32:34 PM)
quote: FnF, I'm not taking a shot at you, but you post makes me think that you have been blessed and never suffered with long-term debilitating pain. Am I correct? I guess that would have go under the guidlines of what you mean by long term. Let's go through the list of my past pain experiences that I had to endure for atleast a week. 1. 6 wisdom teeth pulled. I was given pain pills but my step dad at the time figured he needed them more than I did. 2. An engrown toe nail while still active in Marching Band even after it was removed. 3. A case of Pink Eye where I couldn't even look at a closed window with blinds while wearing sun glasses. 4. Chicken Pox. 5. 104 fever, bronchitis, and larongitis that put me in the hospital for a week. 6. I had an extreem bike riding accident which pealed flesh off my right arm and knee that I had to care for myself using bandages, alcohol, and peroxide for two months before healing. I was 17 at the time and thought that was the best treatment. The skin on my knee stayed tender for about year and a half. Thus far, I've yet to break any bones nor have I had any nerve damage. I have occasional aches and sore muscles from being in the gym but I seem to make it through each day. I've yet to have been prescribed any long term pain medications. I only need the occasional tylenol or Ibprofen now and then for mingrains and soreness. Anyhow, if you're ever completly pain free or feel absolutly no stress, then you aren't living. That's my definition of being dead.

IronBear -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/30/2006 10:05:27 PM)
Thanks FnF [:D] Long term I tend to look at 24/7 pain one or more years.... I used to have pain as a friend when injured in combat it gave me the edge to stay alive.. These days I can handle it most times untill I need to sleep but it really pisses me off when I can't do the things that I used to do.. [:-]

Dauric -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 12:11:45 AM)
10 years of orthodontal treatment growing up, including the single most sadistic orthodontic device, the "Expander" a device that sits under the roof of your mouth and a screw inside is turned once a day to push your upper jaw wider. If you think pain is living you haven't "Lived" until you've felt your own skull being reshaped by that thing. And it was 24/7 pain. I heal fast, and my body worked overtime to repair what it saw as damage being done, still is. Pain is one thing, pain inflicted by the medical profession... What was that about "Do No Harm"? Just my $0.02. Dauric.

SavageFaerie -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 1:04:19 AM)
I live with chronic upper back and neck pain..damage from a car accident. My muslces were damaged...and pretty much live with a neck that is about as hard as a brick and travels on both sides almost to my throat. I was the 1st of a 10 car pile up. Medical dr will not perscribe pain medication nor muslce relaxers...there is a MR that works the others dont. Because I am on xanax for severe anxiety (maintenance low doses) higher dose at night, any medical dr I do see thinks I am just drug seeking. They rarely examine the extent of the spasms and lock downs, but prescribe naproxin. Which does nothing for the pain. I do not have a addictive personality. I am not crazy about xanax but I am dependent on it....difference between dependancy and addiction. Dr. dont care when you rely on Medicare and can only see certain Doctors So I suffer through it best I can.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 1:40:49 AM)
I have arthritis in my hips and lower back. I have had it since I was 16, and have had to maange without any sort of medical assistance for it the entire time. The medicines they gave for the pain worked short term, then my body got used tot hem and they stopped working. I just stopped bothering, and I am used to the discomfort. It makes taking long flights (which, witha long distance pet makes life harder) rough and I cant ride a bike... but overall I manage. Still managed to get my black belt in karate (which the doctors said I couldnt get, since I would be ina wheelchair before my 25th bday) Its never fun, you learn to deal with it. It gets in the way only when I let it. DV

pahunkboy -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 3:27:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear quote: Well said! I agree with you entirely. I watch my wife (Neets) at times crying at night trying to deal with her pain - chronic pain. We both are prescribed morphine sulphate (slow release) for use when the pain is too much to deal with. Our culture here is one of fear of addiction and thus both officialdom and medicos are happy to allow people to live in pain rather than risk their addiction unless they are terminal. Yet these actions are illegal under our Federal Law and International Laws. Simple put however some people are more likely to be addicted to things than others. I’m view of those who poo poo pain and the use of morphine and similar drugs to allow a better level of living is to want them to live 3 months with the level of pain I live 24/7. (Imagine 4 impacted wisdom teeth 24/7 and little pain relief and you may start to get the idea of the hell that some chronic pain suffers live daily). i would guess there are a good many nodding yes with this post. [but hestitant to place thier story on a public forumn.] if i could make it go away, for your wife, you, and the like- i would. lawmakers have no clue on this one. and a rant-letter could get one in a heap of trouble. wishing all a pleasant today- 1 hour at a time....

Rayne58 -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 7:42:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear Thanks FnF [:D] Long term I tend to look at 24/7 pain one or more years.... I used to have pain as a friend when injured in combat it gave me the edge to stay alive.. These days I can handle it most times untill I need to sleep but it really pisses me off when I can't do the things that I used to do.. [:-] Master is in pain 24/7 with arthritis (back, neck, shoulders, knees are the worst). He can no longer take oral pain meds because they upset His tummy and make Him feel nauseous even when taken with food, so it has to be pretty bad before He will take anything. He has been on morphine in hospital and hates the way it makes Him feel, especially when He goes home and abruptly has to go through withdrawals [:'(] He smokes marijuana for pain relief, appetite stimulation and easing nausea, it's the only thing He/we have found which works. Two or three small cones at night can make the difference between being able to sleep and not. Before I met Him I'd only tried marijuana once.....yes I had led a very sheltered life [8\|] I have tried it with Him but don't like using the bong because I don't smoke, it burns my throat and makes me cough. So He and I share a "kiss cone" now and again just for a little fun, though all it does is make me giggly and then I get sleepy! [:D] It's illegal in NSW but we have sympathetic friends with contacts and an ounce can last Him up to 6 months [:)]

FangsNfeet -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 8:46:24 PM)
The two most agitating things that I've always had to deal with have been athletes foot and hunger pains. I have a high matbolisim or possibly a hunger chemical imbalances that constantly has me wanting something to eat. However, I dare not try to afford such hunger suppression supliments and medications. Instead, I battle it out with strict eating routines and keeping things around like nuts and beef jerky. After first hand experience of working with patients with obesity 600 lbs plus, I've decided to never get that way. There have been times where people have seen me yelling at chocolate chip cookies "NO! I will not eat you. You will mold and rott long before you enter my mouth you fattening vermon!" As for the athletes foot, it's a never ending battle where I'm constantly having to keep washing my feet, apply antifungal creams, and place antifungal powder in my socks. Less than a week of not sticking to my routine leaves me back to square one of dry cracking feet.

Termyn8or -> RE: chronic pain discovery (7/31/2006 11:20:24 PM)
Fangs; All you have to do is wipe your feet down with kerosene a couple of times a day. And take your shoes off whenever possible. Guaranteed. T

twicehappy -> RE: chronic pain discovery (8/1/2006 9:21:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Im so sorry to hear about your RA. i do know what pain is- as in chronic physical pain. unless one lives it- i wont hold my breath either. i wish the lawmakers had to LIVE the pain real time for weeks on end- before criminalizing codeine. it friken sucks! I appreciate your hugs and well wishes. I have lived with RA since i was 17 and i have yet to let it stop me. I race motorcycles(harescrambles and iceracing), have for 22 years, and i will admit that if i flare up during the season i will take drugs so i can race, not a lot but enough to bring it down to a dull roar. Since i have RA though my doctor is very good about prescribing whatever for me, but then again he knows how rarely i will resort to them. I am a masochist and there is a huge difference between pain that is unceasing and gives you no rest and WIITWD. i too wish you well and send you sympathy, any kind of chronic pain sucks. quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear Well said! I agree with you entirely. I watch my wife (Neets) at times crying at night trying to deal with her pain - chronic pain. We both are prescribed morphine sulphate (slow release) for use when the pain is too much to deal with. Our culture here is one of fear of addiction and thus both officialdom and medicos are happy to allow people to live in pain rather than risk their addiction unless they are terminal. I’m view of those who poo poo pain and the use of morphine and similar drugs to allow a better level of living is to want them to live 3 months with the level of pain I live 24/7. IB, i've seen you write of this before and you both have my sympathy, in the USA the feelings run the same way concerning addictions. I am fortunate with my choice of doctors as my rheumatologist has RA and has had it since he was seven years old. So your comment on having the folks who poo poo chronic pain is a good one. My youngest daughter has RA also, has since she was fourteen and there was a 2 year stretch nothing would halt the flare so she was on oxycontin, percoset and morphine injections if she needed them. When i expressed my concern over addiction his response(we have the same doc)was"let me get the flare stopped and we will worry about addiction then, no one should live in this much pain". True to his word when the flare was over he took her through gradual withdrawal of all the narcotics, he did it so slowly and gently she never once felt any ill effects. Too bad most lawmakers or doctors do not consider any of the factors her doctor did when deciding her care.

pahunkboy -> RE: chronic pain discovery (8/1/2006 9:43:07 AM)
one thing i found...i THOUGHT i knew what chronic pain was. until i got it. they teach pain patients to never aggererate their pain- in Quebec and in Austrailia- i think 7.5 mg of codeine mixed with what have you is over the counter. not so in teh usa. one can never really know how awful another persons pain levels are.. i wont get into my own personal war stories... lets just say- that modern medicine could do more then it now does.

FangsNfeet -> RE: chronic pain discovery (8/1/2006 7:44:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Fangs; All you have to do is wipe your feet down with kerosene a couple of times a day. And take your shoes off whenever possible. Guaranteed. T If it was that easy, I wouldn't be having to go through an almost ritualistic routine in keeping my feet fungal free. Unfortuantly, your suggestion is only one of many practices I have to do. Anyhow, atleast I don't have hemroids. I hear they can be a chronic pain in the arse.

IronBear -> RE: chronic pain discovery (8/1/2006 8:41:53 PM)
Fast non medical but very invasive method to be rid of hemroids is to insert a piece of suitable cheese uo the Kyber Pass and squat over a mouse hole..... No medical expences either for the opperation but you may get a Vet bill for the treatment of the mouse....

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