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Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 12:28:13 PM

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We are going to see some funny shows on The Daily Show in the coming weeks as they compare and contrast Fox News coverage of the Palestinians and Cuban exiles.

Palestinians shouldn't have any right to return to the land they once owned.

Cubans should have every right to return to the land they once owned.

Knowing Fox, they will probably say both without the slightest explanation and simply count on the gullibility and stupidity of their target audience not to notice any sort of cognitive dissonance in those two concepts.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 2:31:40 PM

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As far as I know, the cuban exiles have not started a suicide bombing campaign in Havana...that makes all the difference that needs making.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 2:38:46 PM

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We can only hope that the evil dictator (note: Castro is a real dictator, not George Bush, for those who can't understand the difference) who has profitted off the backs of the poor people there, will die a miserable death very soon.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 2:51:11 PM

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Tune in to Fox and watch for yourself. And while you are laughing because you think people who fled a dictatorship and failed in an invasion are morally equivalent to people who celebrate the death of civilians, you might also see the clip of the ranking Dem in the House refusing to condemn Hezbollah........

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 2:56:30 PM

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If terrorism discredits a cause, how do you feel about Manachem Begin?

Or Moshe Dayan?

". . . Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
We should demand his blood not from the [Palestinian] Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves. . . . Let us make our reckoning today. We are a generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and gun barrel, we shall not be able to plant a tree or build a house. . . . Let us not be afraid to see the hatred that accompanies and consumes the lives of hundreds of thousands of [Palestinian] Arabs who sit all around us and wait for the moment when their hands will be able to reach our blood." (Iron Wall, p. 101)

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 3:21:03 PM

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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I will give you that. You fight with what you have.

I look at the goals and tactics. The Palestinians DON"T want their land most, they want Israel to not exist. The King David Hotel was British Headquarters, a pizza parlor is the target of cowards.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 3:34:08 PM

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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. I will give you that. You fight with what you have.

Sorta like when we funded the "Freedom Fighters" agaisnt Russia in the 1980's.

I look at the goals and tactics. The Palestinians DON"T want their land most, they want Israel to not exist. The King David Hotel was British Headquarters, a pizza parlor is the target of cowards.

The PLO is quite different from a Palestinian. Not all of them are in the PLO nor are they terrorists.
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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 3:47:56 PM

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I seem to remember hearing that the pizza parlor was a Hamas attack.... Didn't the Palestinians vote them in to run the show??? Weren't the Palestinians the ones running into the streets to celebrate 9/11 until someone told them it was bad PR???

I've lost my sympathy for them and their cause and over the years, a lot of respect for those who will apologize for them.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 3:56:12 PM

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I seem to remember hearing that the pizza parlor was a Hamas attack.... Didn't the Palestinians vote them in to run the show??? Weren't the Palestinians the ones running into the streets to celebrate 9/11 until someone told them it was bad PR???

I've lost my sympathy for them and their cause and over the years, a lot of respect for those who will apologize for them.

So, if I'm understanding you correctly...you're saying that anyone who is Palestinian was running around celebrating 911--although you saw it on the News. I remember the clip. T'was about 30 or so men dancing in the streets. So this defines everyone in that region?

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 3:58:18 PM

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Rich,

I simply predicted there would be those who riducule the Palestinians desire to have their stolen homes returned and yet see no problem with Cubans demanding the same.

So lets flip your argument, are you admitting that if the palestinians hadn't resorted to violence they would have had legitimate claims that Israel illegally stole their land?

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:00:09 PM

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Perhaps I've traveled too much and met many people from other nations, religions, and backgrounds?

I've found that we Americans pigeon-hole other groups and cultures and "by God...them folks over there sure nuff is a bunch a terriers" or "bunch of commies..." or "they all worship cows"....frightening the things I've heard...

Sorry, don't buy into the Fox News or CNN interpretion of the world.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:06:18 PM

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By no means do I define each individual who identifies as Palestinian by the suicide bombers. I wouldn't define every German individual in 1937 Germany by the Nazis. But yes. I DO identify their culture/state/national identity by a gang of murdering scum. And they aren't trying very hard to change my mind....

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:18:02 PM

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Rich,

I simply predicted there would be those who riducule the Palestinians desire to have their stolen homes returned and yet see no problem with Cubans demanding the same.

So lets flip your argument, are you admitting that if the palestinians hadn't resorted to violence they would have had legitimate claims that Israel illegally stole their land?

       It was the UN that gave Israel that first little piece of land and Israel didn't start any of the wars that gave them more. I reject the assertion of 'stolen land' as propaganda.

       Where would you get the idea that I'm opposed to violence? My issue is with the how and where the violence is applied and to what purpose.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:27:33 PM

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Perhaps I've traveled too much and met many people from other nations, religions, and backgrounds?

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What a nifty way to call someone a backward, narrowminded, Xenophobe.........

Perhaps because I've lived in other cultures long enough to be more than a tourist and encountered so many diverse philosophies from inside and outside I have come to see that trash comes in all colors, creeds and branches of faith and that when the trash takes control, it must be taken out.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:31:52 PM

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Rich,

Your grasp of history seems to be unique. While I believe that Israel was justified in going to war, they did start the '56 and '67 wars. As for the UN, if they decided America had to give back Alaska to Russia or California to Mexico, I assume then you would support that decision? In fact, I bet you support the UN strongly and are opposed to Bolton right? I mean to do otherwise would be greatly hypocritical.

As for propoganda, do you know who Mosha Dayan was? Do you think Palestine was vacant prior to 1948? I mean, even if you side with Isreal, have some respect for reality.

As for the other question you tried to slide by, either say you don't want to answer it, or answer honestly.

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:39:02 PM

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As for the UN, if they decided America had to give back Alaska to Russia or California to Mexico, I assume then you would support that decision? In fact, I bet you support the UN strongly and are opposed to Bolton right? I mean to do otherwise would be greatly hypocritical.

CD,
These were land purchases. Cash in the case of Alaska, and compensation in the case of California. In both cases the transfer was done by treaty signed by the prevailing government's of both countries at the time.

Since you are so fixated on who was the original deed holder of Israel:

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Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous! Source:http://www.masada2000.org/

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 4:39:33 PM

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Yeah, I'm afraid that an intellectually honest view of the world, interpreted within strongly held views of morality is pretty unique.

Which question were you referring to?

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 5:14:49 PM

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As to who started the two below mentioned wars, here's some links to thoughts on that:

Article on the Sinai campaign of 1956

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_sinai_backgd.php

Article on the Six Day War of 1967

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_sixday_whostarted.php

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761570433/Six-Day_War.html

http://www.arabmediawatch.com/amw/CountryBackgrounds/Palestine/MediaMyths/TheArabsStartedthe1967War/tabid/248/Default.aspx

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 5:31:32 PM

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I am amazed that there are those who even disregard or in complete ignorance side with Israel's shameful behavior of attacking other nations. How can some of you deny that Palestinians were kicked out of their lands because they were not Jews or accepted as citizens of that new country? What about the terrorist activities carried out by Hagganah when it was a "Palestine" and administered as a British mandate? soemthing to think about....

in terms of the difference its quite simple...Cuban exiles are exiles of a country that has been kept hostage by a thuggish communist tyrant and by a communist system. They have a country. Palestinians do not have a country, and Israel mocks them daily...
Why are some Americans so zionist? They act as if protecting Israel equals protecting the US....

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RE: Cuban exiles vs. Palestinians? - 8/1/2006 5:50:38 PM

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Why are some Americans so zionist?

       It's a great evening, the chicken is grilling nicely and that alarm clock goes off damn early

       Munich. 1972. I remember. I will support Israel getting a lot more aggressive than they are now.

       I reject people who hate like that.

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