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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Jesus turned water into wine. Jesus and his diciples drank wine. Many beers, spirits, and whisky brands originated from monks and monistaries. So how did alcohol end up becoming an evil brew that should not be drank. What makes the self rightous feel the proabition and dry counties are nesecery when the bibles main point about alcohol/wine is not to over endulge in it?

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ORIGINAL: ShreveportMaster

Tal and greetings,
Nowhere in scripture are those who are Believers commanded not to drink. We are commanded repeatedly to not get DRUNK, big difference. Now, if a person has the type of metabolic make-up that requires no more than a single glass of wine to get sloshed, that particular person should not drink. If someone is genetically predisposed to alcoholism, and knows it runs in their family, they also should not drink. I personally do not drink because I do not like the taste of alcohol. That being said, I will use wines and liquors in cooking.
And I hate to burst some folks (tiny) bubbles, but the wine that Jesus made at the wedding feast was indeed the alcohlic fermented wine we know today. Wine, in Biblical Greek is only represented by two words. Oinos = Alcoholic fermented wine, and Glucos = unfermented fresh fruit juice. The word used in every description of the wedding feast at Gallilee is Oinos. You can verify this with any concordance, one need not be a Greek scholar to use such a reference tool. Also let it be said, I am about as far to the Right as you can get. Personal preference is one thing, but do not make the mistake of assuming God endorses your prejudices. Read the Book (Don't wait for the movie!)

                                                         I wish you well,
                                                                                   Shreve

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ORIGINAL: ShreveportMasterAnd I hate to burst some folks (tiny) bubbles, but the wine that Jesus made at the wedding feast was indeed the alcohlic fermented wine we know today. Wine, in Biblical Greek is only represented by two words. Oinos = Alcoholic fermented wine, and Glucos = unfermented fresh fruit juice. The word used in every description of the wedding feast at Gallilee is Oinos. You can verify this with any concordance, one need not be a Greek scholar to use such a reference tool.

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Jesus actually did not turn water into the type of wine we know and enjoy today. That is a bit of a misconception.

Nonetheless, I am a believer of the school of thought of "everything in moderation and nothing in excess". I believe it is the excess that God frowns upon.



War in excess, often over religion, seems to be ok in God's book though.

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Not to get too pedantic because this is a offshoot of a post that was less than optimally couched in the first place.........

(and this is fast reply......not pointed at Kenin or anyone else for that matter) but after the days of the flood Noah planted a vinyard (canucks and americans as well as the rest of the hemisphere and sphere as well) would seem to indicate that this consisted of grapes, from there these daughters of Noah had made a strong drink (lets try to find out if this was welches or oceanspray) but he got drunk and passed out. They each in turn went in and knew him. This is how the world was repopulated after the little imbriglio of the flood which was a method god used to wipe out original sin....saving the righteous from destruction, a theme that is recurrent, sodom and gemorrah and so on............"But Lord, what if ten righteous men are found within?" ............anyways the incest nor the drunkeness was looked upon in bad light.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Fangs, look.  The Assembly of God Baptists are fundamentalist right wingers.  That is just the way it is.

I hate to say it, though, but stef and dark are right.  You do not know what you are talking about.  Neither does the Assembly of God Baptists.

The Bible does not forbid the drinking of wine.  Nowhere in the Bible does it teach you that you can not drink.  Perhaps they twist Proverbs 23:29-35 out of shape to fit their own needs.  In Ephesians 5:18 is our biggest clue.  It tells us "do not get DRUNK on wine".  It does not say "do not DRINK it".

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

We have christains amongst us that are anti alcohol based on there religion. They have pushed for prohabition in the past and won for atleast a short period. Even though the selling and drinking of alcohol is legal today, it's still being preached against as an evil brew.

How much more clear can I be? I'm only asking how can people use christianity to promote that alcohol is evil when Jesus and his diciples partook in it themselves? There have also been other leaders of the bible who christians look up to who also drank.

So forget about alcohol, let's talk about long hair. I remember watching a Petra performance on TV. My religious grandfather walks in and comments how it's not very christian like to have hair that long. However, I pointed to the big picture of Jesus on the wall bringing up the realization that Jesus had long hair. Also, let's not forget about the story of Sampson.
So if Jesus had long hair, how can it be considered today as inapropriate by someone of the christian faith for a guy to have long hair?

Forget about hair, let's talk about clothes. For some reason, it has considered wrong for a woman to wear blue jeans. It's based on biblical scripture saying that women should not dress like men. However, the scripture was being written back when it was the men who wore the skirts and blue jeans had not been invented.

I'm making this as simple as it can get. How can one use christain faith to get there way when there's nothing in the bible to support there belief on how things have to be? Not only does the bible not only support the persons idea but also contradicts it.

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

hahaha.  Fangs... the more you talk, the deeper you dig yourself.  You do not have the first CLUE what you are talking about.

First, instead of asking us why the extremists believe the way they do, just to hear yourself talk, why do you not go ask them.  They would be the ones to answer your question.  We can not answer for them.

Secondly, how do you know that Jesus had long hair?  You do not.  Nobody does.  The picture you see of Jesus with long hair is a Turkish representation.  It is drawn with predominantly Turkish features.  Jews of the day looked nothing like that picture.  And, on top of that, considering that Jesus had Jewish and Egyptian features, it is even less likely that he looked like that picture.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Not to get too pedantic because this is a offshoot of a post that was less than optimally couched in the first place.........

(and this is fast reply......not pointed at Kenin or anyone else for that matter) but after the days of the flood Noah planted a vinyard (canucks and americans as well as the rest of the hemisphere and sphere as well) would seem to indicate that this  consisted of grapes, from there these daughters of Noah had  made a strong drink (lets  try to find out if this was welches or oceanspray) but he got drunk and passed out.  They each in turn went in and  knew him.  This is  how the world was repopulated  after the little imbriglio of the  flood  which was a method god used to wipe out original sin....saving the righteous from destruction, a theme that is recurrent, sodom and gemorrah and so on............"But Lord, what if ten righteous men are found within?" ............anyways the incest nor the drunkeness was looked upon in bad light.

Ron

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Stopping now to have a cup of coffee and enjoy the day.

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ORIGINAL: bandit25

Although I am sure that I am beating my head against a brick wall...why would you find that odd?  People fight wars in the name of a loving God...don't you find that odd?  Blue eyed, blond haired people followed a short, brown eyed, dark haired man...don't you find that odd?  How about anteaters?  Aren't they odd?  The fact of the matter is that just about anyone can cite just about anything as justification for anything they want. 

Edited to add:  Spellcheck is your friend.