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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 9:24:26 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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What Erin and Oside said.

I find it also quite interesting and telling that he didn't just come out and tell alla bout the event you were going to.  His actions show a consistent pattern of "lying by withholding" and hoping you'll be passive enough to just let it slide long enough to let him get what he wants.

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 9:48:07 AM   
Kirei


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  First off I would have to ask during your year of talking, meeting for dinner you never discussed other things each of you likes to do in life?  I find that hard to believe that after a year you sound as though you know so little about them.  I like to find out more than just lifestyle stuff from potentials, if I want to go to some convention and then maybe hit an amusment park....I need to know they will be ok with both, because I am bringing them into my life and making them a part of it.
Second I never use the so called "collar of consideration", I think they are very confusing for many people, including other dominants.  I use a "token of the house", which means your still free (you can still do what you want), but you have achieved a point in training with me to where you are under my consideration for a real collar, if you continue to follow the rules and philosophy of the house.  For me there is only one collar and when you have it and accept it you know it and what it means.  I feel this keeps the collar to the standard of what it should be.

Koneko

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 10:16:04 AM   
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subbieshe4 girl,
 
The advice so far has been great...You know he left out the truth.  You KNOW he fucks others. You seem to KNOW what you want and what you NEED.  You have armed yourself with some knowledge and good words from the folks here.  Now the question for you is, how much do you value yourself to do the right thing for yourself in the long run? Also,how strong are you to not be ruled by your emotions which you know are always fleeting and temporal, and never a good element to build a solid foundation upon?  Listen to your gut, your inner instincts, and have the courage to trust in what your body tells you.  One thing you can count on, is that your body will never lie to you, only the mind is good at that part. i wish you well.
 
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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 10:28:45 AM   
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My impression is that his interest in swinging implies an indifference to relationships having power dynamics. If that's the case, he just uses terms like master, slave, poly and collar of consideration as a superficial act of being dominant in his quest to find more cunts so he can have no-strings-attached sex.

So I'm inclined to answer "yes" to the question: "have i been brainwashed into believing in my Master?" based on the bit of information I have here. Perhaps it is better to ask what you think of him as a dominant, and how he compares to others you have known? If you feel that you are being dominated then great! Otherwise, it is likely you are just being played.

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 10:44:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: submissiveshe4

So, the question/questions are these, 1)  As my Master's slave, i feel that i must learn to accept His decisions and His choices regardless of what they are or ask for my release correct?  2)  How do other Dominants view the swinging lifestyle and can/should they co-exist? and 3) have i been brainwashed into believing in my Master and wanting to accept and understand His choices of lifestyle?
Again, i apologize for the length and i anxiously await any and all advise. 


Dear Submissiveshe4

While it's smart to get advice from
all these experienced folks here..............

and I hope your network of friends and family
will talk with you too...........

Only you, your consciousness, your experience,
and your intuiton can answer these questions.....

It it was me,
I would pray for guidance
from all that was spiritual and holy in the world...
........... and slowly but resolutely make a strong decision
to either love the life that is unfolding there for you,
or to find/create/discover  another life you can and will live with passion.

The worst choice, in my opinion,
is reluctant, half-assed, semi-acceptance of your life.

Say yes.
Or say no.

But don't fuckin' wobble on the essentials of your life.

DD

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 11:08:46 AM   
Evanesce


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I only have this to say...
 
My understanding of these "collars of consideration," is that it goes both ways.  HE's considering whether he wants you (the OP) to be his slave, and YOU're considering whether you want to be his slave.  If he's a swinger and you don't want to live that lifestyle, then consider leaving him. 

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 11:35:44 AM   
Homestead


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My question would have to be, just how many velcro collars is he passing out?

The answer will answer intent.

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 11:52:04 AM   
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He's a SCRUB!!

That being said, if you dun like scrubs, yer forever gonna be miserable.  Fuck the Master/slave shit.  Gawd.  What it comes down to is you.  Does it MAKE U HAPPY?  Yes?  Yer fine.  No?  Which, um it seems not too.. then say "fuck this bullshit"

Its not a minor thing, u know.  Its not that he wears pink shirts or something.  Its not something u can turn a blind eye too.  Really, i've tried.  Dun work.  Just makes u fucking miserable in the long run.  Hey, maybe you'll be successful and change how you feel about it.  You really think so?

Or hey, maybe you'll change him and make him miserable in the long run. 

So if you can honestly says to yerself.  "YES! i want him out fucking tons of other ppl"  Because you know that calling himself a swinger gives him cause to do so. 

Oh and dun forget the little white lie!  So he's forgetful.  Make sure he dun forget to tell you when he catches herpes.  Wouldnt that suck?  "oh yeaaaaah, i forgot to tell you, my B, i got x,y and z"

And if you dun mind being lied to.. well thats yer business.  Just remember.  One lie, leads to another and to another and before you know it, yer in a web of em.  Dun get caught by the spider ^ ^

So...... suppose it comes down to.. whats important to you?  What makes u happy.  Cos you are who you are and i doubts yer gonna change.  Not basic shit like "i dun want a disease, i enjoy honesty, and i dun like you fucking other ppl"

You sound like me AGES ago!  hahahahhaha.  Good luck!  Have fun!  And drink lots of pepsi, you'll need it.

or.. yeah.. stick it out.. you might end up having the fairy tale you always wanted.  Bullshit might majically disapear and you'll just majically be "ok" with everything!




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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 12:54:19 PM   
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It sounds as though you have feelings for him and ~ want ~ to believe him with all your heart. Your head, however, is telling you a different story. Although we have to use both to make large decisions, emotions and thoughts together, life is too short to lead a heartbreaking life. There is a Master out there who will respect and love you.

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 1:26:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: onestandingstill
Hello There,
For me you seem to have presented two separate issues here.
To answer the first one. If you are his REAL FULL BDSM SLAVE your only choice is to comply with his desires or get out. Slaves should have no outside agendas. Your first rule you accepted is 1-To be pleasing to your Master at all times.
To be a slave means this is only HIS SHOW. What you want is to be only considered after his wants. If his wants are not in tune enough naturally with your needs you need to consider maybe you are more a sub than a slave, or maybe you need to find a Dom that shares your view to be with so you don't top your Master from below into giving you your way instead of his.

The second issue is if you get past issue one and feel you are a real slave and can accept your slave's station fully in his house regardless of his choice & lack of divulging his thoughts to you then you have to decide if you can be with a Dom who chooses to be open. You need to search your heart and decide if you think you're secure enough in your relationship that the others will not poison your relationship with him & cause you great insecurity on fundamental levels within yourself.


Respectfully suzanne...but that is horse puckey. But then again I think most posts that define "REAL FULL BDSM SLAVERY" are horse puckey. I would assume from your post that you are quite new yourself.

She is not topping from the bottom and she has every right in the world to expect him to be exactly what it is that he presented himself as....poly....not a swinger. Once a "Master" goes outside of the parameters that were agreed to, it makes any agreement between the two null and void. Relationships that don't fulfill the needs of both usually don't last. While the "HIS SHOW ONLY" mentality sounds hot on CastleRealm....it doesn't work well when applied to a real-time long term relationship....unless of course the "s" party has mental issues and feels they aren't a deserving enough human being to have their needs met.

Thanks for expressing your view is different than mine. That's what these boards are for. I guess since I've been in BDSM about 1-1/2 years in your opinion I may be too new to have my own opinion and have it be right for me,  I doubt I'm inexperienced enough to not have my opinion to be counted as valid. Besides opinions are like a**holes everyone's is a little different than someone else's even when they are similar.
These using titles without really trying to live it in reality is part of my biggest frustrations in the public community. It's like the vanilla guy who appoints himself the title of Master without really being one to me. Too many people take the title without the commitment in real life that it brings with it. There's nothing wrong with her deciding she's submissive and not a slave after all, but to say she's a slave & try to tell him what he needs to do is not in my mind good slave behavior or a lesson that in my opinion is acceptable to teach to people who are aspiring to be full slaves. I'm not saying she has no choices, I said if she still thinks what she wants should be the direction her Master chooses when it's not what will make him happy than she IS in my opinion not fully behaving like a slave. Slaves have no rights except to basic physical needs unless they are just pretending to be one. Being a real slave is not a weekend adventure type of deal in my eyes, nor is it something you can turn on and off. Their Master making them happy is why they should be careful to choose someone who thinks like them, so they don't indeed feel violated when his wants ride over hers.
Respectfully,
suzanne

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 1:38:12 PM   
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IMO collared or not IF you have been decieved,it negates the contract.
That means your free to go as far as I am concerned.

No one can give you the answer only options to consider and O/our own points of view.

You have to do some serious thinking and decide if its really what you want.

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 1:42:09 PM   
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You are correct in the fact that every person has different views on things.   Here's mine.
Whoever told you that slaves have "no" rights was/is full of shit.  I'm not going to even get into the whole "being a real slave" issue.

Happy Thursday...

~smilezz~

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 2:43:10 PM   
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Fast Reply:
 
A collar of consideration is just that.  Both of you are considering continuance of the relationship.  IMO, good that you found out now, before you accepted a permanent collar.  However, had you been permanently collared and uncovered a lie, even a lie of omission, regarding an aspect of him that you find unacceptable (example: he's married) or you are unable to live with (example: he's a swinger) the collar means nothing as it was based on lies and deceit and you have no obligation to beg release. 

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 7:56:41 PM   
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He lied right to your face right from the git go.
I'm thinking WHAT ELSE hasn't he told you?
If it were me and something like this happened out the fuckin' door she'd go!
How do you live with a liar?

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 9:50:34 PM   
SavageEu


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Just to answer nephandi's question. Generally swingers just have sex with more than one person usually with 'no strings attached'. Poly, though, is more than one relationship at once and, once again in general, you don't have sex with people outside the relationships you are in. 

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/3/2006 10:55:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DoctorDubious
The worst choice, in my opinion,
is reluctant, half-assed, semi-acceptance of your life.

Say yes.
Or say no.


It's a nice idea.  But sometimes you get dealt what you get dealt in life, and all the saying 'no' in the world won't make it go away.  And however hard you try to say 'yes' to it you know it's not what you really want.  Surely in these situations saying yes and saying no just amounts to saying yes-no-yes-no-yes... and the wobbling that you deplore.

Some things just seem to be there to be endured...and a certain amount of reluctant, half-assed, semi-acceptance is a way to get through.  Not very idealistic I'm afraid and hence probably not popular here where all relationships are either completely wonderfully perfect or we should all be 'out of here' and off to find some other perfect One...

Sorry, I think my cynicism is shining through this morning...better get myself reluctantly, half-assedly, semi-acceptingly off to work...

Laura

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/4/2006 3:32:07 AM   
Mavis


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WOw.  So many mis-perceptions of how swinging is practiced..  it's not half as scarey as it sounds.  Remember what you thought when you first heard people hit each other for kicks,..  compared to what you know of BDSM lifestlye now .. or what you thought of when you heard "slave"  yet now you want to be one.  suspend the what you think you know for long enough to find out how He attends these things.

First,  the assumption that swingers just fuck others willy-nilly is silly.  while there are a percentage of those who enjoy sex with near-strangers, MOST don't share a partner with someone they don't know WELL.   Doms and Masters loan out their subs and slaves for others to top with less consideration sometimes.  

Disease:   we DO use condoms.  please. Even if nobody else does, you can. 

Most people have regular play partners, take months to get comfy with each other, and some never go beyond flirting andkissing.  Just like BDSM, we all have lines, and each couple has their own operating rules.  These are discussed between couples, usually the ladies handle those negotiations, and often, over weeks of making friends.

Usually, this is a female dominated realm.  The ladies tend to decide on play partners, and always hold the stop line.  Also, agreeing to play with certain partners does NOT give blanket permission to pick up a chick at Wal-Mart and proceed as if single.  The primary relationship is better respected in most swing circles i know than in BDSM circles. 

Most likely, there will be no more pressure to get sexual with the others at this gathering than there would be to play at a BDSM play party.   Most of the people that go are also there to get to know people, not to have an orgy.

When there IS an orgy, can bet swingers will advertise it that way.  Any gathering primarily meant for PLAY is always designated as such.  Swingers like to know if they're going to BBQ or get naked. (just the nature of these things, women need to knwo if it's going to be aroud cycle time, the guys might need to know if they need to pack viagra, will there be alcohol served? etc. 

Many "swingers" are also poly. we have levels of open or closed circles, and mostly, bonded relationships that are closed circles last for years. (usually done as a 3 some, where a single gal joins a couple, but is also free to seek/ date/ enjoy single man and look for her lifemate)

Swinging is NOT the same as swapping, which is exclusivly 2 couples that exhange partners for a play session.

Go on along and meet "His friends" and don't feel bad about holding firmly to not being ready to DO anything, nobody there will think any less of you.  From the ladies side, we consider women that willl just jump in to please thier male partner as risky play-friends.  The ladies will respect you more if you wait til you're comfortable.  They tend to distrust women that will "do anything" to please a man, because it could mean you won't observe the womens code.  Any man bringing a date and pressuring her will be given the same lack of respect. So i would say in this case, you have party support for not taking this as a slave-assignment.

Anyway, i'd resist making any huge changes to your relationship til after you've gone to see what he's trying to show you.  THEN you're armed and ready if you don't feel you've been given all His truth.

{edited to fix typos}

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/4/2006 3:45:06 AM   
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My take seems to be a bit different than many here.  Its obvious to me that you are struggling with a lot in this relationship.  You have tried to accept the poly thing and seem to have dealt with that fairly well.  Now you get the swinging thing laid on you as well. 

My advice would be to stop and rethink this situation.  Before you got interested in the lifestyle would you have accepted these things in a relationship with a man?  If the answer is no, and I suspect that it is, then him being a "master" doesn't matter at all.  You need to seek someone whose ideas of "a relationship" is the same as yours. 

It doesn't bode well for anything long term if you keep getting things shoved at you that are not the way you see yourself living your life.   I could not ever picture myself in a room full of naked bodies screwing anyone including my significant other.  To me sex is a private thing between two people. 

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/4/2006 3:12:07 PM   
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Hello Mavis,
   Thanks for the insite on swinging and i have been to several of the events with Him and although there was no swapping that took place, i did have fun and most everyone that i met were great people.  Although the swinging was the first issue of suprise to me, i dealt with it and was open to it, even though i had yet to actually experience it.  The issue that troubles me the most is His desire to continue to meet one on one with a woman that He met through swinging.  ie; taking her to dinner than off to her house to spend the night fucking, taking her sailing today then off to His house for a night of fucking!  
In any regard, after spending my afternoon yesterday cleaning His house, doing His laundry and changing the sheets and blankets on His bed, when He told me of His plans to take (Jennifer) sailing this afternoon, i ended the relationship!  i stated that if (Jennifer) was not a submissive/slave and that He had no intentions of bringing her into our relationship to form a poly (that he promised me in the first place) then she must be strictly for sex.  To this He replied to me "That is correct".  So, i ended it. 

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RE: Please Help...need confirmation of something - 8/4/2006 3:20:54 PM   
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to the OP:

It would seem (from what you have indicated) that he was not completey upfront about the swinging with you.  However, "poly" may be defined in various ways.  Maybe to him having sex with others or "swinging" is poly.   Personally for me, it would refer to a Master/Mistress keeping more than one submissive/slave.  You have to  A. Understand his meaning of it, then B. Decide whether or not you can live with it.  Frankly it doesnt sound like you are comfortable with either definition.

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