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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 4:45:26 AM   
Mavis


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Mandy..

hey.  Don't feel too bad about the strangeness in calling someone Master.  i heard of a slave that every time she tried to say it, it sounded to her like Igor slurring  "yeth Maaathter" and it completely broke her mind-space.  i think she calls Him Poppi now, and it's what works for T/them. 

My hubby detested the use of the word Sir, because in /his work dynamic, it was for officers, and the enlisted reaction to it was an honorary that meant "desk jocky, overpaid".  Even though Some officers were respected, they had other ways to show that.

This typing convention thing is not something to worry over. Most don't use it. i have to because it's how my Master wishes me to do it, but you'll note my handle is capped, as a proper name usually is.  Regular type is most common and easiest to read. this slash/caps thing is usually used when a Dominant has a training or mindset process going for their sub/slave.

the pride thing!  ah.  Now the real stuff.  i have constant and repeated issues with pride, as in the deadly sin type, not the healthy assurance type of pride. That is good for you, and your relationships.  The bad pride is destructive because it gets between you and your long term objectives.

IF the pride thing that keeps you from being able to confortably say "Master" is REALLY causing you conflict with your long term objectives, then you are in control of that.  i suspect you're used to managing things yourself just fine.  But if it's just a word, choose your battles, even within yourself.  Some things are worth subjecting yourself to self correction to achieve, and some just... aren't. 

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 6:04:39 AM   
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Ther is nothing with having pride and you should not beat yourself up over it.  I have pride in my scoolwork, pride in my neices and nephews but i have to say the most pride i have in in the service i give to Master.  Mandy did you ever think you may be a bedroom submissive?  Good luck in you self discovery journey.

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 7:09:13 AM   
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It really doesn't matter if you call him master or boyfriend, or dork. What matters is what he wants you to call him.

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 7:22:39 AM   
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I see no conflict in having a dominant personality and pride and being a sexually submissive personality to one.

Would be good to learn to reconcile and channel those 3 traits in service to him, though.

And being a feminist, why not? Outside the relationship you still have a life.

Just my opinion.




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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 7:57:46 AM   
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Hello Mandy,

I shouldn't worry too much, you are made up the way you're made up. If you find it hard to say *Master* it's not a big deal. If your chap wants you to say it or use it, then your *pride* will take a bashing for a while. I have the same problem with using *Sir*. I have to say it sometimes but it's taken me a bit of time, carrot and stick to do so.

The big picture of submitting is easier in theory and fantasy..... the reality is that some things are damn hard to do. There may not even be a decent rational reason to find some things more difficult than others.

I've found that not fretting about some *ideal* helps. The only person that has to find you acceptable is your chap.

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 8:12:08 AM   
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Think of it this way, Mandy....

If you were mine, I would allow you to say things like, "Hey you fuckin' asshole!!!! I told you to take out the garbage three days ago...."

'Cause how you gonna take out the garbage naked, in collar and cuffs when it is 40 below zero?

I just require that you say it with awe and respect, is all..............

Ron 


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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 8:21:25 AM   
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LOL.......... that's a simple enough request...... but I've just had a little *try out* and nope, no matter how I say * You fucking asshole* ....it doesn't come out with * awe and respect*.

agirl

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 8:35:27 AM   
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Try; 'Bleedin' Guv'ner' then...........  I guess this is gonna be a personal thing, something we have to try out between us, much as the OP and her 'boyfriend' will have to do........it comes down to inter-personal relations, not so?

LOL,
Ron 

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 3:48:17 PM   
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Oh Mandy, well you came and you gave without taking... (hehe)

I will stick up for you.  I'm tired of hearing people proclaim that if you have struggles with power you cannot be submissive.  Take it up a level...then, what would be the point? 

(My opinion) as a sub ... I still have a personality and opinions, thoughts and desires.  My Dom likes this (most of the time). ;)

I don't think you are failing.  Quite the opposite - you both are exploring.  There have been so many comments here that express - being sub to someone DOES NOT equal lossing yourself or being a doormat. 

For me, it's a state of mind, only possible by my trust and love for my Dom, that I care not to be in-charge, in-control, etc.  I WISH to give this power to HIM...due to trust. 









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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/4/2006 5:06:56 PM   
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Somehow you are under the impression that your failure to call Him "Master" all of the time says that you are not submissive.  You yourself said that you have only been in the scene a few months, that's really not very long to try to change your mentality about what you call someone or even how you feel about the situation as a whole.  I'll give you a great example:

I am not allowed, ever, to open a door (car, restaurant, house, whathaveyou) when I am with Sir.  He opens the door, pulls out my chair, escorts me everywhere we go, etc etc.  I *love* this, don't get me wrong, but sometimes I slip up and accidentally open the car door, or the restaurant door, mostly just because it's habit and sometimes because it's more convenient for *Him*.  However, I get punished everytime I slip up even when I say that I am sorry, I remembered, etc.  Now, the other night I slipped up.  I accidentally opened the car door and Sir caught me.  I didn't ask not to be punished, but for some odd reason I felt like an idiot the entire night.  My ego was at an all time low, and I am truly very proud of being submissive and owned by Him.  He punished me, and I was a wreck the rest of the night for no apparent reason.  Even now I am not sure why I was so messed up. 

My point being two things: 1) give yourself slack on the learning curve as far as what you call Him; 2) sometimes, as women of the modern world, we have to evaluate and reevaluate our feelings about being submissive to a man.  I see that as COMPLETELY normal.  We are often so brainwashed by societal norms about what a woman should and should not be that we lose ourselves in what society has told us is proper.  You have said yourself that you are a strong woman.  So am I.  I have pride in my accomplishments.  That doesn't mean that my pride gets in the way of my submission, but it does mean that occasionally I have to reevaluate my feelings about the situation and come to terms with myself over various scenarios.  I think this is something that many women do in our situation and in our society.

That being said as far as what you call yourself online: you can call yourself whatever as long as your Master approves of it.  If he has no preference, then he should grant you permission to do what you would like.  In my case, I capitalize to show my respect for Sir, but He really doesn't care one way or the other.

Good Luck to you.

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RE: Pride Issues Common? - 8/5/2006 6:48:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Try; 'Bleedin' Guv'ner' then...........  I guess this is gonna be a personal thing, something we have to try out between us, much as the OP and her 'boyfriend' will have to do........it comes down to inter-personal relations, not so?

LOL,
Ron 


LOL........Bleedin' Guv'ner, yep, that worked a little better.......I'm almost sure that a little respect oozed through with that, though not a lot of awe......

agirl

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