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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 9:50:41 PM   
Homestead


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We need the death penalty. It cuts down on having to build so many prisons/institutions.


Cool............and maybe then the U.S. can start it's own selective breeding, low-income sterilization, and eugenics program to cut down on low-income housing and welfare!!!!!!!

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Indeed, let's make sterilization of welfare recipents mandatory. Then the 'baby factories' will shut down,and republicans can quit whining about them. After all,none of them will ever amount to anything-better they just not be born.
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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 9:55:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		     So we should just let the scum of the earth control our lives because it might be hard to catch them???

    The kind of people we are talking about would find the execution you described 'cool' as long as they got to wear the mask and swing the ax.  That's why cops get to park in the handicapped space.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 9:59:36 PM   
Homestead


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I laughed my ass off when they caned that stupid american brat child in singapore.

We should be doing that to the little wannabe gang bangers here. There would be a lot less drive by shootings.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 10:00:49 PM   
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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 10:05:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are times that I question the death penalty, but then there are times that it is a given. A case here in FL a lil over 3 years ago. A group of four men went into a home of six and bashed them all to death with base ball bats. It was cruel and inhuman. There was no reason for it. Is there any doubt that these animals truly need to be gone. That the prestilance needs to be gotten rid of. I have yet to hear if the four were given the death penalty, but I truly dont believe that they need 15 years of appeals either. In cases such as this, I almost wonder if they should get to die as thier victims did. Sometimes trying to be so damn civilized is not neccisarily a good thing. IMO.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 10:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		1.  Most people around here are happy when new prisons are built.  It means jobs.
2.  It costs the taxpayer more money to sentence someone to death than to sentence him to life without parole.  Those nasty appeals are expensive, you know.  And beside the point, anyway.  How many death sentences are actually overturned through those appeals?  So, really, they are just there to make everyone feel good about the sentence being "just."
3.  One innocent person being put to death in the name of justice is one too many.
4.  Typically people don't feel better when the offender has been put to death.  Rather than healing they have focused all of their hate on this person.  Now the object of their hate is gone, but the hate remains.
5.  If one of my loved ones were to be a victim, I wouldn't want the offender sentenced to death.  Not out of mercy for him, but for myself.  I wouldn't want to lower myself in that way and I sure wouldn't want to carry around that much hatred for the rest of my life.
6.  If it were really such a deterrent, why are violent crimes in the States so much higher than in Canada?

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 10:10:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let's ask this guy what he thinks of capital punishment.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 10:11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		     I had Thanksgiving dinner with some of my fundy relatives a few years ago and everyone around the table had to thank God for something before we could eat.  My turn was 'the statute of limitations.'

     There are very bad people on this planet and society must have a means of protecting itself.  Yes, DNA has stopped horrible miscarriages of justice but it also gives MORE credibility to the cases sent to death row now. 

     I'm sure it was awful to be on the crew that performed the execution in the OP link, but I bet his victim cried and begged too.  Let the mercy they gave their victims determine what mercy they recieve.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 10:21:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have actually had a family member killed in a violent fashion. Granted he was only imprisoned for vehical manslaughter, but the witnesses that saw the accident said that he was aiming for my uncle. The man only served 15 years. The only reason his sentence was so long was because my uncle was split and drug over 200ft. Needless to say he didnt die instantly. So maybe I do come from a harder stance, but senseless violence is just that senseless. Someone that is robbing a store and gets scared or freaks and fires is totally different from someone purposelly and maliciouly, mutilating and killing another.

That is my two cents.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/4/2006 11:38:13 PM   
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Let's ask this guy what he thinks of capital punishment.


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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 1:21:16 AM   
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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 1:51:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not a case of treating violent criminals as victims as one poster put it.

It boils down to whether or not you believe society has a responsibility to all citizens. This will be dictated by your view on how we are shaped i.e. are we a product of the society in which we live or are people determined by genetics.

My own opinion is we are a product of the society in which we live. We are shaped by what goes on around us and it follows that we all have an impact on each other's lives in many ways - from the types of Government we elect to interaction during schooling to the levels of social justice we create in our societies.

Thus, although not obvious, we all have a role in creating crime as a result of the societies we construct. It follows we have a duty to rehabilitate criminals rather than hang them or lock them up and throw away the key.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 1:53:32 AM   
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It's not a case of treating violent criminals as victims as one poster put it.

It boils down to whether or not you believe society has a responsibility to all citizens. This will be dictated by your view on how we are shaped i.e. are we a product of the society in which we live or are people determined by genetics.

My own opinion is we are a product of the society in which we live. We are shaped by what goes on around us and it follows that we all have an impact on each other's lives in many ways - from the types of Government we elect to interaction during schooling to the levels of social justice we create in our societies.

Thus, although not obvious, we all have a role in creating crime as a result of the societies we construct. It follows we have a duty to rehabilitate criminals rather than hang them or lock them up and throw away the key.

Regards.




        *TreSwank stands up and applauds.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 6:06:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		"2.  It costs the taxpayer more money to sentence someone to death than to sentence him to life without parole.  Those nasty appeals are expensive, you know.  And beside the point, anyway.  How many death sentences are actually overturned through those appeals?  So, really, they are just there to make everyone feel good about the sentence being "just." "

The cost is the fault of society. Before we had expensive gas chambers and chemical injections, we had bullets, axes, bonfires, and rope that cheaply exicuted people effectively.  


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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 7:42:33 AM   
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It's not a case of treating violent criminals as victims as one poster put it.

It boils down to whether or not you believe society has a responsibility to all citizens. This will be dictated by your view on how we are shaped i.e. are we a product of the society in which we live or are people determined by genetics.

My own opinion is we are a product of the society in which we live. We are shaped by what goes on around us and it follows that we all have an impact on each other's lives in many ways - from the types of Government we elect to interaction during schooling to the levels of social justice we create in our societies.

Thus, although not obvious, we all have a role in creating crime as a result of the societies we construct. It follows we have a duty to rehabilitate criminals rather than hang them or lock them up and throw away the key.

Regards.





    Nanny-State socialist crapola!  You tell us it's not about treating them like victims and then tell us that they are.

     We are products of the choices we make.  Environment and yes, genetics, play a role but it comes down to free will and the individual.

      Society has a responsibility to protect the citizens from those who have chosen to live outside the established framework.  Rehabilitation is sometimes possible and should be given a chance but there also have to be sanctions imposed, including the ultimate one.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 8:56:08 AM   
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They want to kill people because it's a revenge system, not a rehabilitation one.

I think it was Ghandi who said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

It also has the side-effect of making people think twice about gouging your eye in the first place. The cold war would be a prime example. Nuke us, we Nuke you. No one walked away blind, because people value there vision or life in the case of nukes. So don't poke in the first place.

Mutually assured destruction (eye for an eye) works pretty good really. The problem with the death penalty is that no one sees the thing. There is no "reality" attached to the concept. So, it plays little in ones decision processes. Thus making it's impact meaningless.




Indeed, we really do need to bring back more draconian execution methods. Just like the good old days. load them into a cart, dressed in filthy torn rags, gaunt from months of starvation in gaol.  Let the populace have a go at punching and spitting on them as they trundle by....

Then we get to the good part. Some torture with lead weighted floggers, maybe a heavy caning. Then strip them and manacle thier hands behind, and slow hang them over fire, but not enough to kill them. Watch them choking, while thier kicking feet blacken and blister....

Then the piece de resistance, take them down and slice out thier gentials. Rip them up the middle and disembowel them..... and chop off the head,  just before they bleed unconcsious......Justice is served, and potential criminals, horrified!

So much so,that they refuse to be taken alive.  And would rather die taking out a law enforcment officer-than face such harsh justice.




Sweet, LOL.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 9:45:42 AM   
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Are you kidding??? It is the only absolute guarantee against repeat offenses and 100% effective.

I don't have much patience with people who want to treat violent criminals like victims. I find them incredibly naive.


HA i'm a violent criminal!  Cept i suck at it as i've NEVA hurt anyone.  Terrible isnt it?

ooooooos i believe in the dealth penalty!!! 

Its called population control!!  So many different ways to control the population explosion.. and still so many ppl yet to die...

i thinks - we should STOP having cows about all the dead and dying.  Let em die!  Saves the planet earth in the long run!  Gawd, if we save everyones life.. den der would be like MILLIONS of ppl running around... oh wait.. there already is..

Mother nature has been working her butt off lately.  Tsuami's, AIDS, ect ect.  Think we should help her.  I dun think she likes the STRAIN all of us CREATINS put on her.  i mean we run around screwing up the natural balance, using up all her resources, polluting her to high heaven...

we're kind of like taking over and destroying.. this great planet.. and

yeah.... i think we needs to worry about a few ppl dying and NOT at all about how we're gonna just eventually kill ALL of us off with the way we're going.

The end of Earth is going to happen, cos the only way to save it, is to get ever mutherfucker on this planet together to SAVE it..

cept that wont happen, cos der isnt any money involved.. and ppls are too self centered.  So we're all gonna die anyways.  Doh!  Why worry about a few when in the long run ders a possiblity to save billions? 

Kill em all!  The less ppl there are running around fucking up our planet.. the longer our planet will last = ) 

Woot Woot!

i for ONE and up for population control. 

yessssssssssss!!!!  i Knows!  i'm wicked!




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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 9:49:14 AM   
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As a punishment it is quite ineffective.


     Are you kidding???   It is the only absolute guarantee against repeat offenses and 100% effective.

      I don't have much patience with people who want to treat violent criminals like victims.  I find them incredibly naive.

I agree wholeheartedly. If they are guility get rid of them, particulary child molesters, rapists and other such disgusting crimes. They can't be repeat offenders if they are dead.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 10:22:25 AM   
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Go down to the ghetto, watch how these kids are raised, learn what they learn and when they end up being "scum" as adults.. i say JUDGE.  Though, not like any of u fookers would know what some ppl go through in this world to MAKE them scum.


      Do you have any idea how offensive that remark is to people who grew up in poverty or came out of horribly abused backgrounds and have never spent a single day in jail?

       The scummiest person I have ever known grew up in the best part of town, in a loving home.  Choices make people who they are.

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RE: Sanitized Execution - 8/5/2006 10:29:25 AM   
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http://hometown.aol.com/thejman99/dpen.html

        Jeff Rassoul is the publisher of an indepedent zine called "The J-Man Times", and manages to put a hard-core evangelical spin on everything, while still sounding credible.  Imagine that!!


Well, that was a fun read.

I wonder if the needle was sterilized?

I think that scenario, if witnessed, would haunt me to my own grave regardless of any views I might hold.

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