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Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:35:13 AM

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The question was posed during a news cast this morning:

Should Mel Gibson be forgiven his remarks because of his alcoholism?

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Should we consider the "a drunken mouth speaks a sober mind" premise and ostracize him?

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:43:27 AM

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Drunken mouth always speaks a sober mind.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:47:12 AM

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I don't believe he should be ostracized.....and I also don't believe that the words or actions of anyone should be forgiven "because of their alcoholism"....it's not a viable excuse.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:48:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

The question was posed during a news cast this morning:

Should Mel Gibson be forgiven his remarks because of his alcoholism?

or

Should we consider the "a drunken mouth speaks a sober mind" premise and ostracize him?

He should be forgiven if he is sincere in his apology. The drinking is irrelevant to me.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:54:07 AM

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I think his anti-Semitism is unforgivable, drunk or not.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:57:40 AM

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What 'truth' of Mel Gibson were we seeing? My thought is that a little bit of the button-pushing, half-crazed characters he plays so well lives within him. The anti-semitic remarks were simply the tool selected for the outburst. After "The Passion of the Christ," Mel knows the nose.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 7:58:55 AM

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Mel Gibson has drifted toward the Michael Jackson category. Since the Jesus Chainsaw Massacre film, I have found him unnerving and creepy. Most of the things I've heard about him since then have confirmed that.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:06:12 AM

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Mel, you had a slight fall out of the mainstream popularity of celebrities so you bring up a topic to get the cameras back on you again. Big whooptido. What's there to forgive? There's nothing wrong with bringing up a shocking statement to raise a little controversy.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:10:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

The question was posed during a news cast this morning:

Should Mel Gibson be forgiven his remarks because of his alcoholism?

or

Should we consider the "a drunken mouth speaks a sober mind" premise and ostracize him?

I am wondering what Mel Gibson's remarks were now.....

...but as for the *drunken mouth*.....Sometimes, when a tad enebriated people will say things that they would not when sober; they may be speaking their true thoughts and voicing their true feelings, with the usual inhibitions removed. They may be left wishing they hadn't SAID the words, but they nevertheless are still true and they can acknowledge that, despite regretting having said them.

.......but there's also a line where total irrationality creeps in and the most utter CRAP can leave your lips......you may be left wishing you hadn't said the words because they were nothing but irrational, idiotic ramblings that do not reflect what you actually think or feel and you wonder where the HELL it all CAME from.

There are thoughts that run through my mind( not nice or rational or even ASKED for, or consciously held views)......if they were given rein when I was in a drunken stupor, I'd be mortified.

I'm probably the type of person that prefers to see how things look in the morning after some sobering up.

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PS....What DID Mel say that was so awful?

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:36:18 AM

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We should make him utter his apology in Aramaic, hang him on a cross for a couple of days, then tell him go forth and drink no more.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:41:22 AM

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Deaqr agirl:

I Googled "Mel Gibson anti-semetic tirade" and got this as the first listing..thre are others- but her is a starter:

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:44:40 AM

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I don't beleive any one here has not at some point in their lifetime Never said an awful thing about another person/race or religion.

Do I like what he said? No
Is it ok he was driving drunk? No
Should he be ostracized? No

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:48:10 AM

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I personally don't really have an opinion. As a society, and especially in this country we place our celebrities on pedestals. When we agree with their behaviour we idolize them and almost worship them as gods and goddesses. When they screw up and prove that they are like all of the rest of us only human we treat them as though they are the scum of the earth. To Mel I am nothing, no friend, relative, or business contact. I do not know the man on any personal level. I have no right to forgive or not. I have to right to place judgement on him. He is what he is and will deal with the repercussions of his actions like all of the rest of us. Granted yes, he has put himself out there and has given himself a platform of sorts that the public has bought into. Now he has screwed up. It does not really mean anything to me one way or another. Millions of people say stupid things, that is their problem not mine.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:48:39 AM

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I think a hard session with Mistress Golda Weisenstein of Tel Aviv is in order

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 8:58:49 AM

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Had Mel Gibson drunkenly screamed ''Santa Claus owns everything... the wars going on right now are Santa's fault''... would he require either of your two options?

Looks alot like anti-semitephobic head hunting... since when can't a person get drunk, arrested for DUI and not show their ass???

Now there is post DUI etiquitte... so who wrote the book?

Why couldn't he just have been a good Nick Nolte type drunk, eh?

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 9:08:11 AM

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I think we've all heard bigoted jokes before (and have probably told one or two at some time in our lives) so let's not p.c. ourselves crazy. Those in the public eye should expect to be judged more harshly than Joe Down The Street, but in the end we're all just trying to get by regardless of status, wealth, power, or lack thereof.

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 9:08:38 AM

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As others have said, I don't think drinking had anything to do with it, other than allow thoughts to come out that he wouldn't have expressed through his publicist. So... do I think he is an anti-Semitic SOB? Of course - who else who use those as their insults? Neither do I think his apology can be accepted as sincere, since clearly his fame and fortune are at risk here - of course he will say what he sees in his self-interest. I am sure he's sorry that he said that alright - but only because of how the result affected *him*.

Furthermore, the practice of a 50-something driving almost 90mph in a 45mph zone while he's shitfaced - what would you think about that, if it were the guy across the street?

As far as to whether or not he should be "ostracized", I don't think that's a societal decision. First of all, it's not like society has Mel Gibson as a neighbor, so the relevant question is, should one continue to see his movies?

I am not someone who looks up to actors - they are generally very nice looking, but not real bright, and have a lot of fame and cash due to the industry machine. So my personal opinion of the actor has very little to do with why I go to see a movie they may be in. This revelation won't affect whether I see a movie that Mel Gibson may be in - he would have to do something truely heinous (rather than just reveal himself to be a garden variety bigot/SOB), say, like if luck weren't with him that night, and he killed a bunch of people with his driving... for me to avoid seeing a movie he's in "on principle". Mad Max XIV?

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 9:19:06 AM

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once a road warrior always a road warrior its up to the pc thugs i guess or higer power look up its where its at except near high rises hope You all have a great day me an clone may go fishing

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 9:47:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Deaqr agirl:

I Googled "Mel Gibson anti-semetic tirade" and got this as the first listing..thre are others- but her is a starter:

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

Hello Lotus,

Thanks for the link. I had a quick read through the text.

As for *forgiving*...Not a matter for anyone except those he thinks he's offended....If he thinks he's fucked up, then it's up to him to sort it out in whatever way he knows or thinks best.

I think *forgiveness* is a funny thing......I rarely ever ask for it........if I've done a *naughty thing* then I've done it. If I think I owe an opolgy then I give it. I don't expect forgiveness, nor do I want it. It doesn't change anything.

agirl

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RE: Mel and Forgivness - 8/5/2006 10:04:55 AM

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quote:

The question was posed during a news cast this morning:

Should Mel Gibson be forgiven his remarks because of his alcoholism?

or

Should we consider the "a drunken mouth speaks a sober mind" premise and ostracize him?

i dun know and i dun care. Had this convo too the other day. i like what, what the fuck her name is said. Something about she DOESNT WANT to know. She doesnt want em human.

And

who gives a fuck if he got drunk and drove. i think everyone has atleast tried it once in der life. Good god. Yall are some judgemental ppl!

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