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Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smo... - 8/7/2006 4:48:16 AM   
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I have been following the second hand smoke thread (17 pages so far) and decided to do a little research this morning.
 
All the anti smokers are touting death and disease as the number one reason smoking should be banned so i went to the CDC and found some interesting facts that i posted after the article from the Daily Health Journal.

Daily Health Policy Report

Coverage & Access | Obesity Quickly Becoming No. 1 Preventable Cause of Death, Study Says

     Poor eating habits and physical inactivity rank as the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States behind smoking, and if current trends continue, obesity could become the leading cause by next year, according to a CDC study published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson said, "Americans need to understand that overweight and obesity are literally killing us," adding, "To know that poor eating habits and inactivity are on the verge of surpassing tobacco use as the leading cause of preventable death in America should motivate all Americans to take action to protect their health." Potentially fatal obesity-related health problems include heart disease, diabetes and cancer. Ali Mokdad, chief of the behavioral surveillance branch at CDC, and colleagues examined U.S. mortality data for 2000. They then reviewed studies on the role that lifestyle factors have on the development of conditions such as diabetes or stroke to estimate how many of the deaths could be attributed to lifestyle. Finally, they compared their data with a similar study conducted using 1990 U.S. mortality data. Researchers found that about 50% of all U.S. deaths in 2000 were generally preventable. Of preventable deaths, an estimated 400,000 people died from causes related to poor eating habits and sedentary lifestyles -- 33% more than in 1990, when obesity caused 300,000 deaths. In comparison, 435,000 people died from smoking or exposure to tobacco in 2000, up from 400,000 in 1990. Tobacco's share as the cause of total U.S. deaths dropped from 19% to 18.1% between 1990 and 2000. Researchers found that 16.6% of 2000's preventable deaths could be attributed to poor diet and physical inactivity, up from 14% in 1990.
Other Results
The incidence of overweight and obese U.S. residents has increased from about 60% of adults in 1990 -- including 20% who were obese -- to 64% in 2000, including about 30% who were obese. In addition, nine million children are overweight or obese. Obesity rates have increased among both men and women in all age groups, ethnic groups and educational levels. "Physical inactivity and poor diet is still on the rise. So the mortality will still go up. That's the alarming part -- the behavior is still going in the wrong direction," Mokdad said. Obesity is expected to become the leading cause of death by next year, surpassing 500,000 deaths annually to rival the number of annual deaths from cancer. Meanwhile, the toll of every other leading cause of preventable death, including alcohol, infections, accidents, guns and drugs, steadily decreased across the 10-year period, according to Mokdad.

From the CDC:
Nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults are overweight (BMI > 25, which includes those who are obese). 

Nearly one-third of U.S. adults are obese (BMI > 30)

Less than half of U.S. adults have a healthy weight (BMI > 18.5 to < 25).[8]

The total of overweight and obesity: $117 billion, Direct cost: $61 billion,* Indirect cost: $56 billion (comparable to the economic costs of cigarette smoking)

Cost of heart disease related to overweight and obesity:
Direct cost: $8.8 billion (17 percent of the total direct cost of heart disease, independent of stroke)

Cost of osteoarthritis related to overweight and obesity:
Total cost: $21.2 billion, Direct cost: $5.3 billion, Indirect cost: $15.9 billion

Cost of hypertension (high blood pressure) related to overweight and obesity:
Direct cost: $4.1 billion (17 percent of the total cost of hypertension)

Cost of gallbladder disease related to overweight and obesity:
Total cost: $3.4 billion, Direct cost: $3.2 billion, Indirect cost: $187 million

Cost of cancer related to overweight and obesity:
Breast cancer: Total cost: $2.9 billion, Direct cost: $1.1 billion, Indirect cost: $1.8 billion

Endometrial cancer: Total cost: $933 million, Direct cost: $310 million, Indirect cost: $623 million

Colon cancer: Total cost: $3.5 billion, Direct cost: $1.3 billion, Indirect cost: $2.2 billion

Economic and social costs of a disease:
Cost attributable to obesity is approximately $100 billion. A 1998 study estimated the direct medical costs at $51.64 billion. Virtually all cost studies report only a fraction of the total costs of obesity.

Cost of lost productivity related to obesity:
The cost of lost productivity related to obesity (BMI > 30) among Americans ages 17–64 is $3.9 billion. This value considers the following annual numbers (for 1994):

Workdays lost related to obesity: 39.3 million
Physician office visits related to obesity: 62.7 million
Restricted activity days related to obesity: 239.0 million
Bed-days related to obesity: 89.5 million

TopNumber of deaths caused by a disease.
Poor diet and sedentary lifestyle, contributing factors of obesity, are responsible for between 300,00 and 587,000 deaths per year, making it the second leading cause of preventable death after smoking.

Degree of disability produced by a disease.
Obesity is associated with about 30 diseases or conditions, many of which are incapacitating. Severe obesity often produces musculoskeletal, cardiovascular, peripheral vascular and pulmonary complications that preclude gainful employment.

Degree to which a disease cuts short a normal, productive, comfortable life.
The rate of death and illness from obesity increases in proportion to excess weight. Obesity is a chronic condition that can worsen other medical conditions or disabilities.

Overweight and obesity are known risk factors for diabetes, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, gallbladder disease, osteoarthritis,sleep apnea and other breathing problems, and some forms of cancer (uterine, breast, colorectal, kidney, and gallbladder).

Obesity is associated withhigh blood cholsesterol, complications of pregnancy, menstrual irregularities, hirsutism,  stress incontinence (urine leakage caused by weak pelvic-floor muscles), psychological disorders such as depression, and increased surgical risk. 


It seems that beginning next year we are going to have to institute government controlled eating.
That's right, i said it. Big Brother is going to have to ban overweight folks from restaurants, buffets, parties, the ice cream, candy, soda, cake and cookie isles in the supermarkets.

Why? Because it is BAD for you. Seems that the CDC estimates that in the next year or two obesity is going to over take smoking as the number one cause of death and disease in the US. Not to mention all the tax money that is going to be coming out of my pockets to cover obesity related health care costs.

With the extreme rise in obesity in children the government may also have to start prosecuting parents of overweight children for child abuse.

After all it is our government's job to look out for those citizens who fail to look out for themselves, after all as one poster put it:

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Laws are created like this because people apparently do need to be told such things... and now some of these laws are being abused. If parents want to smoke.. fine, but don't make your kids suffer.
 


Only now it will have to read" If parents want to over eat... fine, but don't make your kids suffer".

 


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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 5:59:29 AM   
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Heh.  I wish I had that information about a week ago when the women in the BDSM forum were bragging about how comfortable they were with being fat (not chubby, but fat) and how smoking killed more people (they were trying to justify it).  We even had "expert" testimony from a nurse or doctor or something like that how smoking killed more people.

Interesting post.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 6:37:02 AM   
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Thats right, ban fat-asses!! But you have to do it progressively. First, you ban them from state and federal buildings. Then from being near (50') state and federal buildings. Next, you ban them from restaurants and public eateries. Soon you make it so that they can only be fat in their own homes. Then you just make being fat illegal all together. There you have. How to get the rest of the nation in shape in five easy steps.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 6:52:23 AM   
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quote:

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Thats right, ban fat-asses!! But you have to do it progressively. First, you ban them from state and federal buildings. Then from being near (50') state and federal buildings. Next, you ban them from restaurants and public eateries. Soon you make it so that they can only be fat in their own homes. Then you just make being fat illegal all together. There you have. How to get the rest of the nation in shape in five easy steps.


Lol, very tongue in check but the truth is right now everybody whines about how smoking is bad for your health, what it costs, does to the children etc and are perfectly willing to give up their freedom and legislate my freedom to smoke away. What will they do when the good old government legislates away their right to go to Baskin Robbins or unwrap a Twinkie in public?

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 6:59:29 AM   
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Hell, I'm the first guy to support additional taxes on smokes to cover obesity costs, too.  Great idea, Twice.  Thanks!

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:05:26 AM   
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Gawds....now I am in a real pickle....everyone knows that you gain weight when you quit smoking. So when smoking becomes illegal....and fat becomes illegal........

Well I guess I could always just shoot myself...provided of course that guns are still legal by that time.......

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:24:52 AM   
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quote:

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Hell, I'm the first guy to support additional taxes on smokes to cover obesity costs, too.  Great idea, Twice.  Thanks!


Actually pup the taxes would be on fattening foods and food service industrys that produced or distributed fattening foods.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:33:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Hell, I'm the first guy to support additional taxes on smokes to cover obesity costs, too.  Great idea, Twice.  Thanks!



Actually pup the taxes would be on fattening foods and food service industrys that produced or distributed fattening foods.



If you're gonna smoke near me, you may as well pay for my fat ass......  LOL

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:37:47 AM   
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quote:

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If you're gonna smoke near me, you may as well pay for my fat ass......  LOL


Actually if your ass was fat you would not be allowed to eat in public places except those that only sold low calorie health food so my smoking would not bother you a bit.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:39:18 AM   
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HEY!  I have the RIGHT to be bothered by your smoking, no matter how irrational.  Got it?

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:41:15 AM   
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Aw, poor pup, i never said you did not. What i am poking at is the governments right to decide for me and those who think they should because us poor dumb folks are too dumb to decide for themselves.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:45:58 AM   
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quote:

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What will they do when the good old government legislates away their right to go to Baskin Robbins or unwrap a Twinkie in public?

They can do that right after they prove the detrimental health effects from second-hand calories

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 7:53:22 AM   
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Twice - I was kidding.

Stef - I have seen some people in restaurants who would make good examples of the dangers of second hand calories, usually resulting from a choice of clothing and/or lack of table manners.

The only bare rolls I want to see are made of bread.  And chew with your mouth closed.  And try not to sound like a cow while chewing.  And don't just shove it all in there.  It's not a race.  Use both your hands.  Don't push with your fingers, that's what the knife is for.  Burping is not all that attractive.  If your hands get dirty, use a napkin.  I could go on, but I have a lunch here I just spoiled my appetite for.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:19:13 AM   
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quote:

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Stef - I have seen some people in restaurants who would make good examples of the dangers of second hand calories, usually resulting from a choice of clothing and/or lack of table manners.

The only bare rolls I want to see are made of bread.  And chew with your mouth closed.  And try not to sound like a cow while chewing.  And don't just shove it all in there.  It's not a race.  Use both your hands.  Don't push with your fingers, that's what the knife is for.  Burping is not all that attractive.  If your hands get dirty, use a napkin.  I could go on, but I have a lunch here I just spoiled my appetite for.

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Oh benji, no kidding!! Add to that for me, going to a nice restaurant and having children running around, flinging food and or screaming and you have my list of bad icky public restaurant manners. Along with strong perfume or cologne.

AND I want all of my calories first hand dammit!!! Eaten in a nice sedate ladylike manner of course............


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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:20:44 AM   
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So children running around screaming is a no no too...  I don't want to be exposed to second hand sex!

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:25:53 AM   
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Why tax the smokers for people's fat asses? Tax the fat gobblers!

And I definitley don't want to be exposed to second- or first-hand Political Correctness!!!! GAK!

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:27:58 AM   
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I don't want to be exposed to second hand sex!

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First hand is definately preferable I agree.


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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:30:49 AM   
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Not with some of the people I see!  Fat, balding, smelly men! 

Really, I don't mind fat, balding, or smelly, it's the man part I don't like......

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:36:15 AM   
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I wonder if it will go so far as to force people to stop breeding based on genetic pre-dispositions based on race and background.

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RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping... - 8/7/2006 8:49:03 AM   
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Twice,

Very nice thread... I am replying here rather than the smoking thread. 

I have never disputed that obesity isn't a problem, or that it isn't responsible for an abundance of illnesses or deaths.  My posts in the smoking thread  began by stating that smokers  who want to smoke in public are directly harming others who want to breath healthy air. That is why smoking in a restaurant is not the same as a fat person eating in one.  Eating a greasy meal does not  transfer harmful airborne toxins from one booth to the next.

Regarding children....  Pediatricians do place children on "diets", telling parents that their child is overweight, and instructing what foods to avoid, etc.  It's common practice.  Doctors plot a height and weight chart every check-up so the parent knows just how much more overweight a child is than the rest of children. Parents are made aware that obesity can harm a child, and are encouraged to help their children maintain proper health.

In my post you highlighted, is it wrong to say that if parents want to weigh 300 pounds fine... but don't make your child suffer the same 300 pounds until they are old enough to make such decisions themselves?  Doctors certainly do have something to say about that.

I think it's a problem that smokers, instead of saying ... yeah I could be harming my child, why don't I walk outside and smoke, instead say, yeah, but look what other parents are doing to their kids... like it somehow justifies the harm they are causing their own children.

My child's doctors have been plotting my daughter's weight since birth, yet have never asked me once if I smoke.  The doctor expects every parent to keep their kids active and feed them right.... but I can imagine what would happen in the pediatrician offices across the US, if pediatrician's also expected parents to quit smoking before their child began to display smoking-related problems.

As a parent, why not do all you can to keep your child healthy.... kids depend on their parents for everything, and have very little voice in what happens to their bodies, or in their lives.

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