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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 1:27:21 PM   
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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 1:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't go and see it, I'd be worried I was being entertained by something that is soul-destroyingly painful for victims families.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 1:48:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I plan on seeing it at some point
The movie will focus on two Police Officers- it is telling of their story, and all the other heros that day. If this movie is good enough with those two men  who had to relive it to tell it (or do you think they only told it for the money?) I want to see it for them and for every other person affected that day. God Bless each and everyone of them




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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 2:13:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling
If this movie is good enough with those two men  who had to relive it to tell it (or do you think they only told it for the money?) I want to see it for them and for every other person affected that day. God Bless each and everyone of them


I doubt it's for the money. They have a good chance of not living long enough to enjoy any of it.

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Too many of the 40,000 people who served after 9/11 are sick now, and too many are at risk of more serious illnesses, and too many face even a chance of death to allow for further inaction. Even basic steps could save lives.
Chief among them: seeing to it that everyone who labored amid the pulverized remains of the Twin Towers has their lungs checked - and finding the money to test people who aren't covered by health insurance. The procedure is simple - little more than breathing in and out of a hand-held tube - and at $150, relatively inexpensive. It measures how well lungs are functioning and, repeated over time, will signal whether they're deteriorating. Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/441421p-371810c.html

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 4:53:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I plan on seeing it; both of the men that the main characters are based on seem to have no problem with the film, so I don't see why I should have.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 4:56:06 PM   
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amayos, could you explain further?


What, about the movie or my penchant for conspiracy theories?


LOL Amayos.
 
There was no conspiracy.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 5:20:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wont be seeing it.  I lived in NYC during the time of the attacks. Aside from losing a lot of friends, I came very close to being under the towers when they came down. The train I took to work EVERY morning was one that was destroyed under the collapse. I had forgotten something at home, and watched my train pull out of the station as I ran up the stairs.  We saw the collision from the platform, while I was cursing my luck at missing my train.  I was worried about being late for work, and once I got back home and learned what had hapened, I realized that I should have been under there.  My traveling companion, who met me 2 stops up every morning on that same train, wasnt as lucky as I was. His name is on many of the memorial boards that were (at least when I left there) posted all over the subways.
It hitsa little too close to home for me to see any of the movies they have made.  While I admire the strength it takes to tell the stories, reliving that is to much for me.
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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 5:25:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		DV, I hope you find peace. I can barely imagine how horrible it must have been to be there.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 5:39:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		As an aside in refernece to something said elsewhere.  The lung checks were recommended to any of us that helped around te site. They also suggested psycological help to learn to deal. The things I saw when I helped out after the fact will stay with me forever. I am one of the lucky healthy ones. I went back to work shortly after, teaching kids who went to school in Manhattan and many of which who lost people. Try explaining to a 5 year old why a teacher wont be coming back to school after something like this. Their parents either couldnt or wouldnt deal with it with them and so that fell on us. It was a difficult year before I left the city.

And trust me, if they went through more than I went through... no amount of money in the wrld would be enough to relive and retell all of it.  It is most definately their way of giving the proper respect to those who were involved. We all tried to do our parts afterwards, some did more some did less. Telling their stories is how they pay their homage, and I respect them greatly for it.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 5:42:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		       I'm undecided.  Stone is a brilliant filmaker.  Both my Vietnam Veteran uncles raved about "Platoon," and I loved the social commentary of "Natural Born Killers."

       I was as fooled by the Towers coming down as I was by the moon landing, so if I hear the movie is a bunch of tin-foil hat crap, I'll pass.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 5:50:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just my two cents worth but there is no way I will go see that movie. One reason being that I think pretty much everybody has seen those images of the planes hitting the WTC enough times that its ingrained into our memories, we dont need to be reminded of it yet again.

Another reason is that 9/11 was a tragedy where too many innocent people lost their lives and families lost loved ones, to make a movie off of that tragedy and make money off it is just plain wrong from my point of view. If the proceeds were going towards a memorial where the WTC once was or to some kind of organization having to do with 9/11 i might consider it. But when movie makers are trying to make money off of a tragedy so they can get richer is not something I will support.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 5:57:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who cries over sappy toilet paper and coffee commercials, i'm gonna have to pass on this one.  There are very few movies i've really liked, but my taste runs more to "sound of music", judy garland, etc. 

Also, i live very close to DC, worked in DC until my office moved to Bethesda this last winter..and that was enough realism for me.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 6:33:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hollywood has no shame. It will find a way to turn a buck no matter who or what they must exploit.

That being said, I must say that I find it interesting that there is so much resistance to seeing this movie. I won't see it personally because I do not go very often into a theater to see movies and only if I feel the film to be worthwhile. There wasn't outrage over Saving Private Ryan but that was exploitation of those soldiers that gave their lives in the name of destroying Nazi Germany. Schindler's List was a story that also exploited the tale of 6,000,000 Jews and other ethnicity's and religious people that were exterminated, yet there was no one that was indignant at that film.

There is an great line from the Don Henley song Dirty Laundry. It says, "It's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry." In a nutshell he wraps up that little morsel and tells us that is what people in general want to see. The evening news kicks off with stories of death and mayhem... why? Because people want to know. It doesn't make it right, it does make it a sad reality though.

When 9-11 happened, one of the first things I said after getting over the shock and horror of it all was that I wondered when people would begin to make films about it. I guess that time is now and I do hope the subject is treated with the respect it deserves. Real people lost lives that day and people all around the world watched it happen. The dead deserve dignity. The dead deserve respect. Their families deserve to have their loved ones remembered with honor.

Let's hope that this film does all of that.


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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 6:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been skimming through a number of reviews of World Trade Center, and they seem uniformly good, from Rolling Stone magazine to Fox News pundit Cal Thomas. One common thread is that Stone avoided the conspiracy nuttiness of some of his other work, and that he has tried to make a film concentrating on the two officers, John McLaughlin and Will Jimeno. A portion of the films first few days of receipts will be given to four 9/11 charities.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 6:47:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		A dear friend I cared for died in the towers.  For two days I knew he'd probably been there but I couldn't get through on the 800 number to find out his status.  He was married and I dont think he wanted his family to know.  He loved them very much but was convinced they wouldn't understand or would take it to be something sexual (when it wasn't).  He didn't want to hurt them and for me, regardless of how I might have handled that situation for myself, I did not feel like I could honor his wishes and call them just to relieve my own concern.  Can you imagine being a wife and picking up a phone to "I am his domme" or a woman trying not to say "I am his domme"?  I'm self centered but I'm not selfish.  I sent an email that was never opened.  So, I kept trying the 800 number, going about my business and searching every article on any media to catch a snippet.  Thursday evening at 6:15 I got through on the 800 to find out he was listed as missing.  I went home, laid on the couch and for the first time since the events of 9/11 I cried.  I couldn't stop crying for a long time.  It was very difficult but also very cathartic.

Later that night my phone started ringing.  Some of the first responders that I knew were getting home for the first time since the towers fell and were alone with their thoughts.  Some of them needed to talk and I listened.  It was graphic and heart breaking and horrible but it helped me get my head around the whole thing a bit more.  For weeks I watched the news, listened to the news, scanned ALL the papers, looked for anything I could find on the net about my friend.  I've got a few things squirreled away that I wouldn't have had I not done so, and doing so helped me feel less powerless.  Turns out he was one of the ones going up when the towers started coming down.  He was like that.

A large contingent of his kinky brethren went to his funeral.  There were so many people there that we couldn't get near the church, only stand outside and listen.  There was no way our presence would have been called obvious.  We were lost in the crowd.  Afterwards we went to a pub and gave him an "irish wake" that was hard, but it helped me feel not so alone. 

I've only told you about the way it transpired for me personally.  I haven't told you about the stories I heard from those down there, during and after.  I haven't told you about the incredible and wonderous outpouring of love and caring for each other that I saw, or the tales of the unsung heros I heard about.  There was a lot of that going on in the middle of all that ugly.

I'll go to see it because mulling it over to some degree helps me accept it and look for the good in it.  It's hard to think something so horrible could have any good at all, but the good was in the way we treated each other afterwards and there was a lot of it there.  I'm hopeful that the movie will focus on the relationships of the characters because that's the real story; and it's really what I want to be reminded of.

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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/7/2006 8:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had seen the trailer for this movie back in June and made some comments on it then
http://www.collarchat.com/m_444047/tm.htm

Since that time, I've had a chance to hear a few of the men speak, that the characters are based on, and now I have a more positive view of the idea of the making of the movie.  Still, I personally won't be going to see WTC.  I know the movie will be emotionally draining and I have no desire to place unecessary stresses upon myself at this time.  I respect what the people in the film suffered through, but, as someone mentioned, some of us don't have a desire to keep reliving it in our minds.  

The pictures of that day may be out of sight, but 9/11, the lives lost and the many brave souls of that time, won't ever be forgotten by me.  I do hope for those that see the film it brings them some sense of peace.


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RE: World Trade Center Movie - 8/8/2006 3:18:29 AM   
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Another reason is that 9/11 was a tragedy where too many innocent people lost their lives and families lost loved ones,

absolutely right
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One reason being that I think pretty much everybody has seen those images of the planes hitting the WTC

This is going to be a movie about the People who risked their lives to help, the main foucs is the two police officers- not the planes -they want their ( and every other man and woman who went in there with no regard for their own safety only to help and find people) story told- or they wouldnt have told it.
I think  those people desreve my attention also.
Again any one who can't see it for personal  reasons . I feel for you I truly do. As Level said I hope you find peace.

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