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Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 7:15:23 AM   
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Hello to the masters!

I have this nagging question. . .wanted to ask it a while back but didn't want to come off. . .well. . here it is anyways.

I'm a tightlacer and I've looked r/t for a waist trainer (because I want to reduce quite a bit more) and found that it has been a VERY difficult task. . .HOWEVER when I see profiles of male doms on collarme.com, MANY MANY MANY have "corset training" listed as one of thier skills. The numbers of those claiming online that they have this skill. . .and those that I meet out in r/t don't seem to add up. My question is, for those that do have that as a "skill," what type of training is it that they give? Or is it really not "training per se and they just like to see a woman in a corset? In your mind, what *is* corset training?

Just to clear it up, I don't view waist training as a "submissive" thing. For me, it is a case of body modification and a BIG time fetish of mine.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 9:26:05 AM   
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Jules,

I'll admit I "know nothink" about corset training. So, I went searching for good stuff on the web (yeah, good stuff really does exist!). I foung these rather interesting articles.

This gentleman is a maker of corsets. He makes them for women, men and children. Interesting read.
http://www.petticoated.com/letter0801.htm

This one has links to other cool stuff, like lacing a corset by yourself (although, that article would be easier to figure out for me if it had pictures).
http://www.staylace.com/thomaslierse/@ealol.htm

Decorative ribbon corsets, mainly to go OVER clothing.
http://www.staylace.com/retail/cands/c&s_ribl.htm

A more journal-like entry of a Fem Dom who loves to be in corsets:
http://www.secretmag.com/Members/Mistresses/MistressesView.asp?title=CORSETRY%20by%20Mistress%20Xandria

A place where you can enroll in a training program (looks like $300 for 3 months, $100 each additional month.)
http://www.romantasy.com/index.html?BodyURL=ZXQ/cyboutique/Workshops/WaistTraining.shtml

Hope these help!

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 9:36:15 AM   
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Hallo Fire,

I've seen some of those sites but I really don't need to know the hows of tightlacing. I already do that. I was more curious as to what the people who list "corset training" as a skill *actually* consider corset training. . .since I have experienced much difficulty finding one r/t. It's kinda like looking for a personal trainer. Sure, there are plenty of websites dedicated to dieting and working out. . .but some of us bratty ones prefer the ~personal~ touch. Of course if there is a waist trainer local to me, I'd be willing to pay for the service.

Jules.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 9:58:22 AM   
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I wondered about this too.

I'm and avid corset lover, just getting into official waist training, and I wondered how so many people have the knowledge and skill it's taken me considerable time to amass. (Knowledge, not skill. I'm not there yet)

Interested in the answers here.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 10:03:02 AM   
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This is exactly why I posted this thread Perverse. . . so MANY people have it listed as a skill, yet when it comes to seeing them "out there in the world". . .they seem scarce. It would kinda be akin to 40% of the people on the boards saying that they are astronauts. . .but how likely are you to meet one r/t?

I'm sure some out out there and know how to acheive reduction. I've got my eyes set on 19"

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 10:10:53 AM   
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quote:

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I'm sure some out out there and know how to acheive reduction. I've got my eyes set on 19"

Jules


Wowza. I'd love to hear progress.

Granted, I'm a whole bunch bigger than you, but my first peice is going for a 4inch reduction. We'll have to see how squishy I am.


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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 12:55:27 PM   
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Here's a relevent thread:

why do you like corsets?

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 1:05:56 PM   
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Proud,

I've actually read and participated in that thread. . .but it is mostly about *why* people like corsets and not about waist training or those dominants that list corset training as a skill. That's what I'm really curious about. Why type of corset training do they do and/or what is their knowledge on waist reduction/corsetry.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 1:13:04 PM   
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i am so glad that You asked this question. i have been curious as to what it exactly consists of.

Thanks so much,
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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 1:46:32 PM   
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Although I don't list this as a skill, I have received the same training as most of the gents who do list it -- I closely studied the technique of Mammy as she laced up Missy Scarlett in Gone With The Wind.

By the way, I also trained as an astronaut by watching I Dream of Jeannie

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 5:27:24 PM   
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quote:

I have received the same training as most of the gents who do list it -- I closely studied the technique of Mammy as she laced up Missy Scarlett in Gone With The Wind.


LOL!!! That made me laugh. I guess you could be on to something because I don't see any of the "corset training" experts coming forward.

And Jill. . .I guess we are totally feeling each other. . .but I don't think this thread will clear up that mystery.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/17/2004 6:11:13 PM   
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quote:

And Jill. . .I guess we are totally feeling each other.


Now this made me laugh. I hope you are enjoying each other.

I put the link for the other thread thinking it might have some good info for some on corsets. I know it didn't directly apply to your original question.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/18/2004 6:25:49 AM   
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Jules,
lmao i guess we will have to get trained in this to clear up the mystery.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/18/2004 4:41:30 PM   
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Goddess, I too have had the same problem. I have not met one Dominant who was knowledgable about corset training. I've had no choice to just train myself lol.

I think when they post it on their sites they either mean that they like to see a corset on their sub.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/18/2004 7:42:26 PM   
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Before I start I want you to know that I"ve worn coresets in the past.


first off to have and use the perfect corset you must make sure that it's custom made.

Easiest way to get the parttern is to make it with duct tape.

You can either place a gabage bag over yourself or where an old TShirt.
Either way you wrap the Tape around your chest and waiste as over and over again as tightly as possible. then you use Scissors to cut a line in the back. take off what ya got and there's your perfect corset pattern.

So you make the corset with god knows what. Leather, cloth, yada yada yada. Now you want to use it for training.

Well corsets more or less work as like a restraint. Squeezing you and molding your figure as well as controlling how much air you can get in your lungs. So in the term of "corset training" I'm molding your body and figure to my will. It goes hand in hand with breath controll as well. I can make your boobs, waits, and such show out the way I want them to. As I sqeeze your waist I make your hips and ass a little more yummie As for the top part, it brings a whole new meaning to "Release the Hounds" I train you how to wear it, how to deal with it. and just when you're getting use to it, I make things a little more tighter



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RE: Corset Training? - 12/18/2004 8:36:58 PM   
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Thanks for your reply Fangs.

I do have corsets that I have bought. . .rubber corsets are just too hard to make yourself. However, I do make my own corsets not because they cost $300 - $500 a piece when I buy them. . .but because they fit a lot better when I make them myself.

I've gotten some results as far as reduction, but I have no idea if it is good/bad/slow/right on target etc because I'm not someone versed in "corset training." As far as other aspects of "training". . .I'd think that the trainer would know about certain excersises to do because of weakened muscles, how often one should do it, how long one should wear a corset per day, what type of corset to wear, how much boning the said corset should have, when someone is relying on costal (upper thoracic breathing) only and what could be done to alleviate problems from that, diet, and objectively be able to keep track of permanent bodily changes.

Sure, I've met a lot of men that admire the female form in a corset. . .but besides rudimentary knowledge that would be considered common sense, well, they didn't seem to have more than that. That is why I asked the question initially. What "knowledge" do they have to be able to say that they are "corset trainers?"

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/18/2004 9:57:06 PM   
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holly molly you really are testing my skills in Corset Training. Make me earn that Specialty Title why don't you.

well let me answswer one question at a time.

1. "I have no idea if it is good/bad/slow/right on target etc because I'm not someone versed in "corset training." As far as other aspects of "training". "

well if the person you are putting the corset on isn't blue in the face, sqeeking signs of Safe Words, or turning violently on you then it can't be bad.


2. "I'd think that the trainer would know about certain excersises to do because of weakened muscles, how often one should do it?"

Cruches, side latereral bends, and placeing a pole on your shoulders to swing side to side shoud do the trick. don't forget about streching the abdomianal and back muscles as well. Other than that a coulpe of upper body flys and Dumbell Bench press are never bad as it helps prevent sagging of the breast. So hit the gym atleast 3 times a week

3. "how often one should do it, how long one should wear a corset per day, "

There's a big difference in should and can. As being one who has worn corsetts It's my personal belief that they should never be worn. Hell after tricker treating with some kids dressed in Drag for 6 hrs, I then went to a party and passed out drunk still wearing the damn thing. To get back on track, if the idea is to train the body to have a certain form, then I'd recomend wearing a corset for a minimum of 4 hrs per day. As to a maximum time limit, take it off before passing out or going to sleep.

4. "what type of corset to wear"
My my wouldn't everyone just love to wear spandex? But we don't. Instead we look at leather , sued , and as for the other materials (cotton, poly, rayon, etc) it dosn't matter because the inner face keeps the materal from stretching. That's why I suggested using the duct tape pattern. About that I forgot to mention to make sure the person as sucked in as much gut as possible and blew out all there air to make the pattern really work. Anyways, just make sure your corset as plenty of gromets for the cording. That's your most important part in making it tight.

5. "how much boning the said corset should have"

I remember growing up to this song "Too Much is Not Enough"
Hell how about making it in a 4 piece outfit where you need gromets on both sides, in the middle, and the back. More grommets and lacing means you can make it tighter. Excellent for trainging if your person looses weight. So yeah leather and rubber do end up being your best materials to use for that streching appeal to adjust to ones figure.

6. "when someone is relying on costal (upper thoracic breathing) only and what could be done to alleviate problems from that"

that's apart of the training. AFter all it's nearly impossible to take good full deep breaths with a corset. So the bearer must learn to take in short and midium paced breaths. Though this can be tricky, try having the corset made to where it can come off quickly if fainting happens. I just have a pair of sheers on hand myself. On a side note think about the persons medical history ie asthma, smokeing, bronchitis, having a cold, etc... Also think before you make the person do something that can make the huff and puff. Have a "Be Prepared" attitude as well as a phone to call 911.

7. "diet, and objectively be able to keep track of permanent bodily changes."

Best diet I can recomend at the top of my hand is the Body for Life challenge. It's great in keeping up with food, exercise, and body mass/changes. To learn more just type in Body for Life in an enternet search. Also take a bi weekly picture so you can start comparing the now and then. 6mths you'll deffinetly start seeing changes.

8. What "knowledge" do they have to be able to say that they are "corset trainers?"

Gee willikers. Well I myself will say that a person has to know how to sew/make them, have past experiences of wearing them, and have good knowledge of breath control. Past those basics make sure you know the other stuff about pain, safe words/ stop mechanisims, and general BDSM eticit. with that basic info it then takes experience of atleast doing this to 10 different ppl with various shapes and sizes. Past that you should be able to consider yourself a corset trainer unless someone died due to your techniques. Also don't forget to research corset history and how it caused many women to undergo certain physical changes. Re read and learn the problems that have been caused. The health relations with eating, breathing, child cariage, poster, and such is important stuff to know.

That's it for now. NEXT Questions?



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RE: Corset Training? - 12/22/2004 12:16:27 PM   
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quote:

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well if the person you are putting the corset on isn't blue in the face, sqeeking signs of Safe Words, or turning violently on you then it can't be bad.


From what I've read this isn't true. Decrecing waist size too fast can squish things in ways they should be squished. I've read that it is a good idea to decrease gradually (though I don't know how gradually) because it gives the organs time to readjust.


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4. "what type of corset to wear"
My my wouldn't everyone just love to wear spandex? But we don't. Instead we look at leather , sued , and as for the other materials (cotton, poly, rayon, etc) it dosn't matter because the inner face keeps the materal from stretching.


Again, based on what I've read, the material matters depending on what you're wearing it for. For a decorative corset, whatever you like is all good. For something you're going to be wearing consistantly and tightlacing in, one wants a highly breathable cotton. Most corsets I see are made of cotton coutil, but the covering fabrics on tightlacing, day in day out corsets are often again highly breathable cotton.

Leather's great for looking good, but if you wear it for too long your skin is going to be very unhappy.



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RE: Corset Training? - 12/22/2004 1:34:19 PM   
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yeah, I always recomend that you decrease gradualy. Think of it as wearing braces on your teeth. It's a gradual process. You don't change over night so I don't recommend trying. The comment "isn't blue in the face, sqeeking signs of Safe Words, or turning violently on you then it can't be bad." is to imply to take things gradual.

As for materials and what not, yeah you gave us the best materials for the skin or for just going out and looking good. But in the end it's all good for training. Also weither it's leather, cotton, or whatever, wearing a corest to long period is going to make your body and skin very unhappy.

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RE: Corset Training? - 12/22/2004 1:38:20 PM   
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Perverse,

You are exactly right about gradual areduction. You aren't going to get any "permanent" reduction with a few sessions wearing a corset. One of my friends who now has a 22" waist has done it for 6 years now. I have a 24" corsetted waist. We both wear our corsets for at *least* 18 hours a day. Yes, I sleep in mine. You state that you don't know at what rate your waist should be reduced. This is where I *thought* a corset trainer would come in handy. At first when you have a lot of squishy stuff, it seems easier to reduce. Once you get to a certain point, I'm thinking that you have pretty much "rearranged" the soft stuff. . .now you are working on reshaping ribs. A person "trained" in this (I'm suspecting) can tell the progression and what not. . . .

Since waist training is an every day ongoing thing, latex and leather would be a bad choice. Cotton drill, coutil and such would be *way* more practical. Hell, even satin brocade would work better than latex or leather. Imagine having to wear something *everyday* for 18 hours a day. I'm assuming those that waist train have more than one corset. . .but I also think that those that actually go thru it would agree that day to day training corsets are one thing and go out and wow people corsets are another.

Fangs said that
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More grommets and lacing means you can make it tighter.

I have to disagree. The cut of the corset and the boning is the most important thing. The corset should be "cut" to pull in the waist. . .this is inherently in the design of the corset. The boning is also very important because this becomes the steel "cage" that remolds the body. The closure can be ribonns, buckles, lace, anything that allows you to tighten.

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Instead we look at leather , sued , and as for the other materials (cotton, poly, rayon, etc) it dosn't matter because the inner face keeps the materal from stretching. That's why I suggested using the duct tape pattern.


I really wouldn't suggest the duct tape pattern methond unless someone has made corsets before in the past. It isn't like you take this "duct tape" pattern and make 4 rectangles that you sew together. Not only that, the inexperienced person would not know about boning placement, how to attach a busk, and little things that come with making a corset. Now, I use about 30 1/2 inch boning per corset. Yes, it looks pretty severe, but it gets the job done.

To me, what Fangs is talking about sounds like a "per session" corset training regiment. Why would the training carry around safety shears for a person who wears a corset EVERY day for most of the day unless you are attached to the hip with them? Plus the "safe word" comment when it came to lacing the person up.

But I will give him credit for being the only dom to address the issue at all. There are *so* many that list it as a skill. . .so I was figuring we'd be bombarded with info.

Jules

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