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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 4:14:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there is a misconception about the consent in BDSM. In boxing, there are two men or women who are there because they choose to be. I think many people don't get the concept of people actually consenting to be hurt BDSM. They can't believe that there isn't some type of coercion going on.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 4:44:53 PM   
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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 7:25:25 PM   
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When someone can make a million dollars for a 1 hour scene, and the advertisers can make several more million selling their products on tv then it will be ok.


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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 7:35:51 PM   
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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 7:40:52 PM   
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Hello All,
I have been wondering how many people in BDSM feel what they do is wrong due to the notion they like to give/get intense painful stimulation. For me personally it's like running a marathon, boxing, wrestling, or martial arts. In all these things you force your body into extremely uncomfortable growth. Society's view that intensity is OK and mentally healthy in those ventures & our extreme play is sick & twisted is just plain unfair in my mind.
Why do you feel society frowns so severely on S&M contact & can accept the other intense activities?
Suzanne


Hello A/all,

I personally think "society" tends to frown on it for the same reason that some people in the lifestyle who consider themself "X" and become angry when somebody implies they are "Y," get all tense.

While I could prattle on about Victorian sexual mores and Apostle Paul's misogyny and abhorrence of the sex act.  My own personal opinion is more that S&M types are considered to be afflicted with some sort of horrible, contagious disease.  What makes it so frightening to the unenlightened and uneducated masses is the intense curiousity and subconscious desire to involve themselves in WIITWD.

Accordingly, people who are ignorant about it fear that they might somehow be tempted and convert to the dark side of repeated orgasms, perverting Home Depot, endorphin highs, and spending their hard earned money on enemas, wurtenberg wheels, and floggers.

As usual, this is just me and I could be wrong.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 7:43:36 PM   
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If you were to take those same boxer, wrestlers and martial arts athletes and put them in sexual positions,


If I were to do that I would be forced to plug my ears with both fingers and run away screaming going LA LA LA LA LA LA LA.

Then I would put my therapist on hazard pay.

But then, Im not really into group sex.

Just me, could be wrong, etc.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 7:46:31 PM   
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cause ... Boxing has Rules! lol


Try and explain to an aficionado of Ultimate Fighting that it really is NOT fighting because it has actual rules.  See how far you get.

Now semi-pro hockey, not a game goes by when at least one player doesnt McSorley an opponent.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 8:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK....not to derail an interesting thread, but UFC is a sport which prohibits** several techniques, mandates rest periods and so on...what definition of 'really fighting' has such rules?

Unless you mean that such logic is lost on the couch potato posse, who are also impervious to arguments that the WWF isn't 'real'?

** http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=LearnUFC.Rules


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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 9:04:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: onestandingstill

Hello All,
I have been wondering how many people in BDSM feel what they do is wrong due to the notion they like to give/get intense painful stimulation. For me personally it's like running a marathon, boxing, wrestling, or martial arts. In all these things you force your body into extremely uncomfortable growth. Society's view that intensity is OK and mentally healthy in those ventures & our extreme play is sick & twisted is just plain unfair in my mind.
Why do you feel society frowns so severely on S&M contact & can accept the other intense activities?
Suzanne

Ha - i think because BDSM represents an area that "society" whatever that is - not only cannot control, but that snubs its nose at the very things society dictates. Where is society anyway? Just want to know so i can tell my travel agent to avoid it. LOL



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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/8/2006 9:40:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because even Jacob wrangled with the angel, but kinky sex is a sin.  That means boxing is wholesome, but tying people up and fucking them isn't.

Society tends to view things through a Christian lens, even if most people aren't hard-core Christians.

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Why do you feel society frowns so severely on S&M contact & can accept the other intense activities?

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/9/2006 12:50:02 AM   
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Consensus seems to be that it's not "okay in the mainstream" because of the sexual element. So. What, exactly, is bad about keeping sexual things private? Does anyone honestly feel discriminated against because their kink isn't televised on pay-per-view? And if it's not readily available on teh glorious internetz as an alternative, then I'm really curious.

I'm also not sure why an interest or event that isn't slushed through the eyes of the tube-tied public is given the title of "unacceptable." In my experience, bdsm isn't much of a taboo (unless I want to talk to my boss about it while he's eating...but then, I wouldn't talk about vanilla sex that way either). Not everyone's going to be comfortable with it. Not everyone is comfortable with squeezable ketchup or mechanical staplers or asphalt, even. Most importantly, though, I wonder why anyone would care about being outcast from the homogenous crock pot of media-centric society. Deviation is nectar. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/9/2006 6:34:39 AM   
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it is not so much at bdsm is so bad, but it has not become an acceptable sport,

actually, I think somewhere along the way it became an unacceptable sport. In the good old days, some torturings and executions were public spectacle where you could bring along the whole family for the show. Hell, the point of having someone placed in stocks was so the public could even participate by throwing garbage at them.

Just seeing a nice public flogging in a movie like The Hunchback of Notre Dame makes me wonder how society went astray and eliminated such community activities and then replaced them with contact sports like boxing and football. They really are such poor substitutes for free public torture.



I think there's one little key element that you're missing with that thought...  Public floggings were most likely NOT pleasurable for the person getting flogged.  I very much doubt they were into it before, during, or after.  Those folks weren't playing, they were abusing with the intent to harm.  I doubt the people in the stocks were enjoying themselves either.
 
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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/9/2006 9:20:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the last few fights I've watched on HBO are any indication, there is nothing BDSM like in boxing. The fights were more like dancing where you don't touch each other.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/9/2006 10:34:05 AM   
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cause ... Boxing has Rules! lol


I have rules.


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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/9/2006 11:46:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for all your input so far. This came up as my very best friend of over 22 years does not get my interest or willingness to participate in WIITWD. I tried to use the extreme sport people as an example of sane people pushing their bodies way harder than I push mine & she thinks they are sane. She ask me to create this post so she could see how others into it felt.
I'm going to take this home and show it to her this weekend to let her see what the responses are.
I agree with most of what's been said here. I don't like it, but it makes sense out of why it's so differently viewed.
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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/10/2006 8:22:22 AM   
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cause ... Boxing has Rules! lol


I have rules.



your rules.... that are subjective to your perspectives that are not entirely acceptable for anyone else to follow or adopt.  Boxing rules are adopted and accepted by all the participates.

They play under one set of recognized rules...We do not.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/16/2006 12:19:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		hello Knightto mists
Bdsm has rules except they are called limits, set by both parties,
take care and be safe
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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/16/2006 12:45:11 AM   
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Hello All,
I have been wondering how many people in BDSM feel what they do is wrong due to the notion they like to give/get intense painful stimulation. For me personally it's like running a marathon, boxing, wrestling, or martial arts. In all these things you force your body into extremely uncomfortable growth. Society's view that intensity is OK and mentally healthy in those ventures & our extreme play is sick & twisted is just plain unfair in my mind.
Why do you feel society frowns so severely on S&M contact & can accept the other intense activities?
Suzanne


Yeh excersise is definitely a bad thing. You wouldn't want to become good at anything physical. That would be bad. OMG that's just like having weird sex! YUCK! Judge not (not that I carry that kind of weight or that it exists but it's a good lesson regardless ;-).

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/16/2006 4:54:42 AM   
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hello Knightto mists
Bdsm has rules except they are called limits, set by both parties,
take care and be safe
slave jlb


Within boxing there is not a different set of rules of every single match between the same two people.   All boxers play under the specific rules of the given organization they choose to participate in.

within this lifestyle each and every person has there own set of limits ... requirements... preferences etc.  No match occurs unless the specific individuals come together on the set of rules of engagement for them.... which doesn't apply to any other match between anyother individuals.

This makes the two significant different... one is more of universal set of rules that are abide by all members.  The other is more chaotic and the rules are made on a match to match basis.  Society doesn't function that way... we as a group function together when we have common rules between us that is understood. 

can a person imagine walking out their door and getting stopped by the police.... today you broke this rule.... well yes that wasn't a rule yesterday ... but since this is my road to patrol... I am responsible to make it safe and I decide this rule is needed.  Then take it to court and the judge gives sentence that is based soley on his own individual preference instead of the guidelines and actually defined punishments that are established in many cases.

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RE: Why is S&M intensity so bad, but boxing OK? - 8/16/2006 5:12:03 AM   
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