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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 12:35:20 AM   
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Oh yes, question authority, but blindly believe some dope with an agenda, or some horrible movie like V for Vendetta.
As if the US had never existed, then all these Islamic fascists would be farmers and live in peace and love with all their neighbors? Please.
I wonder what terrorists were doing in Canada? Do you remember the ones who were caught a few months ago? Gee, Canada isn't fighting Al Queada terrorists? Why in the world would they be infiltrating Canada? Maybe because Canada is part of the West, and not Muslim, and hence an enemy in their eyes.  


Have you ever looked into all the elected governments that the US has overthrown through the years? Do you lookup how the US destroys economies to make it easier for US business to take over? The ways the US has financed and trained local or mercenary groups to slaughter people?
It isn't just the US that does these things. But blowback is a commonly used variable in the equations of screwing with other peoples lives in covert and overt operations. In a not so round about way 9/11 was calculated collateral damage at home. Blowback from intentionally screwing with other people.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 12:48:17 AM   
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I love it when the hard core rightwingers bring up saving the world from Hitler, or the left being like Hitler and Nazis.

It was sheep blindly following jingoist patriotism and fear and hatred directed against furtive enemies that made Hitler.



  Here's a quote from Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's chief propaganda minister :


''The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principal is born in mind….constantly. It must confine itself to a few points…and repeat them over and over and over…..''


Terrorist -- Terrorist -- Terrorist – Terrorist – Terrorist – Terrorist - Terrorist

The war on terror -- The war on terror  -- The war on terror – The war on terror –


      Terrorism -- Terrorism --Terrorism -- Terrorism -- Terrorism -- Terrorism


Here’s a quote from Hitler himself:


''How fortunate for governments that the people they administer….don’t think''



 - R

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 12:53:28 AM   
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Oh yes, question authority, but blindly believe some dope with an agenda, or some horrible movie like V for Vendetta.
As if the US had never existed, then all these Islamic fascists would be farmers and live in peace and love with all their neighbors? Please.
I wonder what terrorists were doing in Canada? Do you remember the ones who were caught a few months ago? Gee, Canada isn't fighting Al Queada terrorists? Why in the world would they be infiltrating Canada? Maybe because Canada is part of the West, and not Muslim, and hence an enemy in their eyes.  


Have you ever looked into all the elected governments that the US has overthrown through the years? Do you lookup how the US destroys economies to make it easier for US business to take over? The ways the US has financed and trained local or mercenary groups to slaughter people?
It isn't just the US that does these things. But blowback is a commonly used variable in the equations of screwing with other peoples lives in covert and overt operations. In a not so round about way 9/11 was calculated collateral damage at home. Blowback from intentionally screwing with other people.



That still doesn't explain Canada. Why would these terrorists who are only responding to US imperialism, be interested in attacking Canada? I don't see how that fits into your blame the US for everything theory.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 12:56:35 AM   
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I love it when the hard core rightwingers bring up saving the world from Hitler, or the left being like Hitler and Nazis.

It was sheep blindly following jingoist patriotism and fear and hatred directed against furtive enemies that made Hitler.



  Here's a quote from Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's chief propaganda minister :


''The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principal is born in mind….constantly. It must confine itself to a few points…and repeat them over and over and over…..''


Terrorist -- Terrorist -- Terrorist – Terrorist – Terrorist – Terrorist - Terrorist

The war on terror -- The war on terror  -- The war on terror – The war on terror –


     Terrorism -- Terrorism --Terrorism -- Terrorism -- Terrorism -- Terrorism


Here’s a quote from Hitler himself:


''How fortunate for governments that the people they administer….don’t think''



- R


There's two people that I would use to back up my theories too. They were so wise and had such great ideas about the ways of the world. Didn't Attila The Hun have any thoughts worth repeating?

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:12:28 AM   
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Oh yes, question authority, but blindly believe some dope with an agenda, or some horrible movie like V for Vendetta.
As if the US had never existed, then all these Islamic fascists would be farmers and live in peace and love with all their neighbors? Please.
I wonder what terrorists were doing in Canada? Do you remember the ones who were caught a few months ago? Gee, Canada isn't fighting Al Queada terrorists? Why in the world would they be infiltrating Canada? Maybe because Canada is part of the West, and not Muslim, and hence an enemy in their eyes.  


Have you ever looked into all the elected governments that the US has overthrown through the years? Do you lookup how the US destroys economies to make it easier for US business to take over? The ways the US has financed and trained local or mercenary groups to slaughter people?
It isn't just the US that does these things. But blowback is a commonly used variable in the equations of screwing with other peoples lives in covert and overt operations. In a not so round about way 9/11 was calculated collateral damage at home. Blowback from intentionally screwing with other people.



That still doesn't explain Canada. Why would these terrorists who are only responding to US imperialism, be interested in attacking Canada? I don't see how that fits into your blame the US for everything theory.


A few of the " terrorists " are already out on bail. I guess they weren't all that dangerous.
I am still looking for more details on this sting. As stings can be self fulfilling. The RCMP and CSIS actually went out of their way to ensure the bomb making ingredients were delivered. It seems some of the terrorists were punks mouthing off. Like we do on here. In the documentary mentioned there is a good example of desperately scaring up some terrorists. It is hilarious if it weren't for the fact that the kids tagged might be in jail without trial right now.

You can look at a whole bunch of White Power web sites that talk about and forum about violent overthrow of the government. Murdering races.

I have some suspicion that the Canadian terroist bust may be an almost total bust. We have tax revolters that have said the same things.

It is dangerous to mouth off right now. Especially if you happen to be a certain race or religion. What another race or religion or ideal would just be taken for as venting.

I am waiting for more hard information of the Canadian terorist bust and what led up to it. There are a lot of people in jail with almost no evidence, no trial or even acknowledgement that they are in jail. The disappeared. A term coined by those under tyranical regimes without rights.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:14:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kedikat

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ORIGINAL: Estring

Oh yes, question authority, but blindly believe some dope with an agenda, or some horrible movie like V for Vendetta.
As if the US had never existed, then all these Islamic fascists would be farmers and live in peace and love with all their neighbors? Please.
I wonder what terrorists were doing in Canada? Do you remember the ones who were caught a few months ago? Gee, Canada isn't fighting Al Queada terrorists? Why in the world would they be infiltrating Canada? Maybe because Canada is part of the West, and not Muslim, and hence an enemy in their eyes.  


Have you ever looked into all the elected governments that the US has overthrown through the years? Do you lookup how the US destroys economies to make it easier for US business to take over? The ways the US has financed and trained local or mercenary groups to slaughter people?
It isn't just the US that does these things. But blowback is a commonly used variable in the equations of screwing with other peoples lives in covert and overt operations. In a not so round about way 9/11 was calculated collateral damage at home. Blowback from intentionally screwing with other people.



That still doesn't explain Canada. Why would these terrorists who are only responding to US imperialism, be interested in attacking Canada? I don't see how that fits into your blame the US for everything theory.


We have not been attacked yet. Except in those places we joined in to clean up US messes. The more we start supporting the US methods and messes, the more we will be a target. But that will be our fault, not the US's. It's our choice.


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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:15:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

Oh yes, question authority, but blindly believe some dope with an agenda, or some horrible movie like V for Vendetta.
As if the US had never existed, then all these Islamic fascists would be farmers and live in peace and love with all their neighbors? Please.
I wonder what terrorists were doing in Canada? Do you remember the ones who were caught a few months ago? Gee, Canada isn't fighting Al Queada terrorists? Why in the world would they be infiltrating Canada? Maybe because Canada is part of the West, and not Muslim, and hence an enemy in their eyes.  


Have you ever looked into all the elected governments that the US has overthrown through the years? Do you lookup how the US destroys economies to make it easier for US business to take over? The ways the US has financed and trained local or mercenary groups to slaughter people?
It isn't just the US that does these things. But blowback is a commonly used variable in the equations of screwing with other peoples lives in covert and overt operations. In a not so round about way 9/11 was calculated collateral damage at home. Blowback from intentionally screwing with other people.



That still doesn't explain Canada. Why would these terrorists who are only responding to US imperialism, be interested in attacking Canada? I don't see how that fits into your blame the US for everything theory.


Are you talking about the guys who were recently caught.... have you bothered to look at their dossiers? Brother.... those dudes were the kids in the classroom that the teacher made sit in a corner and wear pointed ''Dunce'' caps - In America I think we call them dupes.... and they woulda had a hard time crafting a pipe bomb.



 - R



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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:16:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see, so now Canada is almost as bad as The US. Do you live in a bomb shelter by any chance? I have never seen so many conspiracy theories in my life.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:19:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

Oh yes, question authority, but blindly believe some dope with an agenda, or some horrible movie like V for Vendetta.
As if the US had never existed, then all these Islamic fascists would be farmers and live in peace and love with all their neighbors? Please.
I wonder what terrorists were doing in Canada? Do you remember the ones who were caught a few months ago? Gee, Canada isn't fighting Al Queada terrorists? Why in the world would they be infiltrating Canada? Maybe because Canada is part of the West, and not Muslim, and hence an enemy in their eyes.  


Have you ever looked into all the elected governments that the US has overthrown through the years? Do you lookup how the US destroys economies to make it easier for US business to take over? The ways the US has financed and trained local or mercenary groups to slaughter people?
It isn't just the US that does these things. But blowback is a commonly used variable in the equations of screwing with other peoples lives in covert and overt operations. In a not so round about way 9/11 was calculated collateral damage at home. Blowback from intentionally screwing with other people.



That still doesn't explain Canada. Why would these terrorists who are only responding to US imperialism, be interested in attacking Canada? I don't see how that fits into your blame the US for everything theory.


Are you talking about the guys who were recently caught.... have you bothered to look at their dossiers? Brother.... those dudes were the kids in the classroom that the teacher made sit in a corner and wear pointed ''Dunce'' caps - In America I think we call them dupes.... and they woulda had a hard time crafting a pipe bomb.



- R




You are actually talking about the ones that were arrested in Florida. So, I guess we should just wait until they get their act together before we do something? Oh wait, isn't that what we did before 9/11?

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:36:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Clearly preposterous to equate the Liberal Left with Nazism....but the Left definately have authoritarian tendencies which are so ingrained that they are totally unaware of them. They seek to control people for their ( the controlee's) own good. Trivial Health and Safety issues , Overweight propaganda........
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With regard to militant  Islamic fundamentalism it strikes me that it is so dangerous I am rather surprised anyone can think otherwise. It needs to be confronted. HARD.
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I must say though that *A* major driving force for fundamentalists, the Arab/Israeli dispute ,  I believe the Arab case, NOT THE EXTIRMINATION OF ISRAEL, but the return of land stolen from them, is sound. Will never happen though. Maybe at the periphery.
Likewise the West's presence in the Middle East due to oil upsets the fundos.
Both problems are insoluble in my opinion.  Therefore expect some exciting? times.

Just thought about the siege in the UK where "terrorists" took over the Iranian embassy in London. Only survivor was quoted as saying they chose London because they thought the Brits would do nothing. lol

The other side of Liberalism ie the droopy drawed forgive everybody everything view doesn't work either.


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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 1:45:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just thought about the siege in the UK where "terrorists" took over the Iranian embassy in London. Only survivor was quoted as saying they chose London because they thought the Brits would do nothing. lol

They should have chosen France instead. France has mastered appeasement.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 2:12:47 AM   
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I see, so now Canada is almost as bad as The US. Do you live in a bomb shelter by any chance? I have never seen so many conspiracy theories in my life.


Huh?
That's a great example of pointless but inflammatory nothingness in reply.
What conspiracy theories do you refer to?
It's typical that you spout just platitudes and factless retorts. Parroting the party line.
There are many actual links to information posted on the forums to back up what we say.
But in any link you ask us once again to pony up facts. We have. You ignore them, or say they are conspiracy theories or false.
So pony up.
Post some links to pictures of the discovered weapons of mass destruction.
Point us to the facts of how things are progressing so well.
A documentary of the great success in Iraq, Afghanistan. All the great things being done by homeland security. How things are so much better now than 10 years ago.
All the wonderful benifits of the tax breaks that you personally got.
The statistics of decreased terrorism worldwide.

What are you cheerleading for? Where are the great success stories? What makes your side so great?

Maybe some of the increased tax dollars going to religion can go back in our pockets. Or the tax dollars that we have to make up for to give ultra rich more money.
Maybe the american oil companies could have outbid the french and russians to get Iraq oil, instead of tax payers and soldiers paying for it.

Wake up. Or stop trying to put us to sleep.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 2:16:10 AM   
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Just thought about the siege in the UK where "terrorists" took over the Iranian embassy in London. Only survivor was quoted as saying they chose London because they thought the Brits would do nothing. lol

They should have chosen France instead. France has mastered appeasement.


So did the US before Pearl.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 2:20:32 AM   
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Rich,

If conservatives weren't so busy acting like sheep while the religious right hijacked our government, I would be one.  Oh and the little matter of how busy they are looking into our bedrooms and any other place they can stick their noses.

The real issue for me is how quickly they abandoned the fight against terrorism and went off into an ill thought out occupation of Iraq.  All of America supported invading Afghanistan, all of America wanted to see Osama's head on a pike.

I can't remember the name, but a recent president mentioned that he didn't think much about Osama anymore, can you think of who I mean?


You are one of those that keeps harping about the religious right hijacking our government. I have asked you and others with your outlook, what rights specifically have been taken away from you? You still don't have any examples. But smoking bans, speech codes,  political correctness which are all contributions of the Left don't seem to bother you? Who exactly are the sheep here?
And President Bush said he doesn't think of Osama, because in the big scheme, getting Osama wasn't as important as defeating Islamic terrorism. Taking things out of context doesn't help your cause. 


Banning dildoes. Banning abortions. Trying to ban evolution or coercing it with ID. Banning morning after pill. Information about condoms being removed from government funded info sites. Religious groups being funded to replace nonreligious government agencies to help the desparate ( fertile recruiting grounds ). Trying to ban sites such as this.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 3:51:03 AM   
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I realize we have guys on different sides of the border disputing the issues here, but dudes - what passes for politically left and right in the U.S. and Canada is so close together that it's hardly worth it to try and point out the differences. Sorry to be a redundant SOB, but I call it middle and right because there is no real left - just the left and the extreme right. Sure, there are still differences - but if a real left doesn't materialize our countries may never recover from the lack of more significant alternatives. "Overwrought small size" and "overwrought large size" isn't much of a choice.

While we worry the definitions of what side we are on - not that it even matters; the members of the "lootocracy" just keeps stuffing their pockets with taxpayer monies. Maybe it's more "us against them" rather than "us against ourselves."

Estring: C'mon - what the fuck are you even talking about? Give us one citation, one URL, something...the guessing game is more of your bullshit moving the goal posts again. You leave it to the rest of us to guess what you mean, so that we can argue against some presumed instance, and then you simply come back and say it's not the case you meant. Time to put up or shut up. Truly. Say what you mean. Are you even capable? I'd like to understand you but you are communicating about as effectively as a person with no tongue and marbles in his mouth.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 4:04:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mr Kedikat...though you posts seem well thought out I fail to understand why you have such a hard time accepting the dangers posed by Militant Muslims.
As for your problems with religious backed right wing policies...well look at the mess Liberal permissiveness has got us into. As Oliver Hardy might have said.
Abortion is a serious moral issue.
Evolution by Natural Selection is almost certainly untrue.
Militant Islam is dangerous.
All notwithstanding ANY failures of US foreign policy.
I speak as a UK believer in the special US/UK relationship.
US tells us what to do. UK kisses US arse. Many top politicos do anyway!

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 9:48:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lashra, you need to think "FUN" when you're approached by religious zealots!
Answer the door naked.
Tell them you run a whore house and after getting some info like which church they're from say; "Oh! Your Pastor is one of my best clients!" "He always pays in $1 Bills!" lol
I had some holy rollers living next to me in N.H.
They'd call the cops on me for any reason, music too loud, cops, cookout with friends, cops, brother's Harley Davidson too loud, cops.
Mr's holy roller was even "preaching" on my front lawn one time so I went out and dropped trou on her and nut flapped her!
Finally I bought a big pink dildo and superglued it to my front porch and they went ballistic! Cops.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 10:14:53 AM   
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Rich,

If conservatives weren't so busy acting like sheep while the religious right hijacked our government, I would be one.  Oh and the little matter of how busy they are looking into our bedrooms and any other place they can stick their noses.

The real issue for me is how quickly they abandoned the fight against terrorism and went off into an ill thought out occupation of Iraq.  All of America supported invading Afghanistan, all of America wanted to see Osama's head on a pike.

I can't remember the name, but a recent president mentioned that he didn't think much about Osama anymore, can you think of who I mean?


You are one of those that keeps harping about the religious right hijacking our government. I have asked you and others with your outlook, what rights specifically have been taken away from you? You still don't have any examples. But smoking bans, speech codes,  political correctness which are all contributions of the Left don't seem to bother you? Who exactly are the sheep here?
And President Bush said he doesn't think of Osama, because in the big scheme, getting Osama wasn't as important as defeating Islamic terrorism. Taking things out of context doesn't help your cause. 


Banning dildoes. Banning abortions. Trying to ban evolution or coercing it with ID. Banning morning after pill. Information about condoms being removed from government funded info sites. Religious groups being funded to replace nonreligious government agencies to help the desparate ( fertile recruiting grounds ). Trying to ban sites such as this.


Banning dildoes? Lol. That is the threat that concerns you? I haven't had any trouble purchasing them. And I think the problem with the morning after pill is that there have been women who have died after taking the pill. But it is not been banned because of any religous reason. What more info do you need about condoms? With all the screaming and yelling, these are the rights that you feel are being taken away? First of all, none of them are rights except abortion. And all that will happen if Roe V Wade is rescinded is abortion will go back to being decided by each state. As it should have been from the beginning.
It seems to me that Collarme is doing fine. More and more people sign on every day.
It really seems like you are making mountains out molehills. See, banning smoking, enforcing speech codes, government interference in private business, wiping out any mention of religion in public life, etc. Those are real rights that are being taken away. And the Left is responsible for that. 

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 11:07:07 AM   
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Your quote in your original post:

It's interesting to consider that both the Neocons and Osama Bin Laden find it useful to pretend that Al-Qaeda *DOES* exist in the manner portrayed by the media. The Neocons get their bogeyman and Osama gets the credibility he otherwise lacks.
 
It's the old tried and tested method isn't it. Exactly like the "reds under the bed" scenario. The Soviet Union was only communist in name and not in practice and it suited both parties. The US Government had their bogeymen in the 'reds under the bed' and the Soviet Government was able to portray an image to the Soviet people that they were not the totalitarian fascist regime that their policies betrayed. Rather like the purpose Al-quaeda serves at present.

And, I agree completely with your latter point that we have a duty to monitor our Governments and they are servants to us. Which leads me to my point that we get the Governments we deserve. If they are servants to us then why are we not using our collective power to do something about what our Governments are doing in our name? A simple answer, we do not care enough and we turn a blind eye because we have the extra car and the house worth £200k that is indirectly paid for by the economic colonisation that is taking place in places like Afghanistan and Iraq at the expense of thousands of lives. No point blaming Bush and Blair, it's the get out of jail free card. We elect these people. They represent us.

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RE: Al-Qaeda: A Bogeyman for the U.S. Empire - 8/9/2006 11:43:51 AM   
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Mr Kedikat...though you posts seem well thought out I fail to understand why you have such a hard time accepting the dangers posed by Militant Muslims.
As for your problems with religious backed right wing policies...well look at the mess Liberal permissiveness has got us into. As Oliver Hardy might have said.
Abortion is a serious moral issue.
Evolution by Natural Selection is almost certainly untrue.
Militant Islam is dangerous.
All notwithstanding ANY failures of US foreign policy.
I speak as a UK believer in the special US/UK relationship.
US tells us what to do. UK kisses US arse. Many top politicos do anyway!

It isn't that I don't think any militant group can't be or aren't dangerous. What worries me is the way the fear is being used. The reasons the militants exist. The stupid ways they are being dealt with.
I think that many militants are made by our actions, past and present. The way we are dealing with the problem is creating more militants now and future.
The fear is being used to divert us while certain groups benifit from it.
I'm not sure what mess liberal permissiveness has got us into. It wasn't liberal permissive armies that invade other countries. Or train and finance death squads. Topple other peoples governments.
There are morality police on both ends of the extreme. Most of the time they are just annoying. But left and right go too far.

< Message edited by Kedikat -- 8/9/2006 11:46:20 AM >

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