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Diabetes - 8/8/2006 11:28:25 PM   
Termyn8or


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Diabetes has a specific cause. I have been looking for a venue where I can get the word out, so if anyone is interested, read on. Later, I will bing in case studies and quotes from credible sources, and you take all of it with the proverbial grain of salt. I did, the thing is, it all fits.

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Our bodies use many hormones to operate, some things are enzymes and others are just fluids. There are major differences in these things which should be understood at least a little bit. My conclusion after years of research is that 90% of ll illness is caused by a mineral deficiency. The causes for these deficiencies will be adressed another time, but rest assured they exist.

This particular text deals with diabetes, and right now I am not going to stray into the other deficiencies that cause gray hair or hair loss, impotence or restless foot symdrome. None of that, this is about diabetes.

If you took human insulin to a lab and ordered a full report on it you would find there a two things in it (among other things), chromium and vanadium. Your hormone/enzyme/whatever named insulin is injected continuously into your bloodstream by the pancreas, that is if your pancreas works properly. When the pancreas is signaled by the endocrine systen or whatever that more insulin is needed it produces it, and it is a factor in converting sugars as well as starches that you have injested to energy.

Starches are carbs and they become sugars in the bloodstream, that is a pariah for a diabetic, but they don't tell you. They don't tell a diabetic that their food pyramid is slightly skewed. Life is beautiful, especially for them when you are in a wheelchair after they charge you thousands of dollars to cut your legs off. I have seen this happen and I write this post so maybe even one person will do their own reading and not accept the slow death sentence handed out by these quacks.

If you have a prolonged deficiency of either chomium or vanadium or both, YOU WILL BECOME DIABETIC. There is no question about it. If you are borderline now that means your pancreas is not getting enough of those two minerals. Don't wait until it starts 'digesting' itself. You see, organs are built with the express purpose of serving the body, as such it will digest itself to save the body, but then you are permanently diabetic.

This is why alot of diabetics would not respond to the proper supplements. Now don't go running down to GNC, they don't have what you need. They will talk you into something else and you'll swipe the credit card for nothing. Vitamin is a misnomer now.

From the roots of the word we find vita which means life, and min which means from the Earth. You see, a mineral cannot be manufactured nor created with our technology. Minerals come from the Earth and there is only so much of each to go around.

Now exactly what to eat to get these minerals is not within the scope of this text, that is a whole nother thing. I know, but I want to know if anyone is interested out there.

I will give you this much right now. When humans become diabetic they must BUY a substance called insulin. The insulin they BUY is produced by pigs' pancreas'. The pigs are selected genetically for this purpose and they are of course given healthy doses of mineral supplements, especially chromium and vanadium.

Pigs pancreas' are kept alive on heart lung machines, sort of, and stimulated to produce the maximum amount of insulin. This PRODUCT IS THEN SOLD TO PEOPLE WHO WILL DIE WITHOUT IT. Nice racket eh ?

Now they have a synthetic insulin which works I guess.

Does anyone wonder why I started this ? I'll tell you. No, we don't have any diabetics in the family, nor have I lost anyone to diabetes. So why am I here ? Well, they came for the Jews and we all shut up, then they came for the Polacks and they all shut up. Then there was one guy left and they came for him, there was nobody there to stand with him.

I have seriously misquoted that, but I think the idea is clear. Even if I don't exercise the same rights as you do I must stand up, maybe even die for them. I expect the same from you when and if you are able. Your rights begin where mine end. We need this solidarity to keep ANY of our rights, as we know them, even today.

Why would I concern myself with diabetics when none of my family or friends are affected ? In my quest for knowledge I ran across some pretty convincing evidence. But why do I spend the time to type (typo lol) it out ?

Why ? One fucking person is all it takes. If one person benefits from me sitting her typing it is not in vain. If ONE PERSON realizes that things are not always as 'they' tell you and finds out for themselves how to heal themselves and be better, it was worth it. If ONE PERSON is helped a little bit by what I typed it is something. Something is better than nothing, and one day I might have to look my maker in the eye and explain myself, so to speak.

Basically if you haven't been diabetic long there is hope. This involves some very specific dietary requirements as well as some limitations, each of which must be complied with to the letter. There are no exceptions. Youu must comply completely if you want to regain your health. I actually cured the arthritis in my knees with diet alone.

The specifics of that diet will be here if anyone shows interest.

Yes, I do have to ask because I've found that even among intelligent people, interest in their health is sorely lacking. Talk all you want and they just pull into the next McDonald's.

Wasted keystrokes disturb alot of electrons. The health system doesn't work. I don't care if youy are a sub, slut, cum burping sex slave, your health is your responsibility. Concern yourself with which pair of shoes to wear tomorrow and I'm sure we shall inherit the Earth. I just want to know if anyone is interested, if not I won't waste my time. For what I said about diabetes I have the documentation, cites and case histories. Other things may only be partially substantiated. The question is, do you care ?

T
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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 12:51:12 AM   
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Type 2 diabetes is one of the most serious medical problems in Australia kids today and it is increasing hand in hand with chronic lack of excersize (other than computer games and TV) as well as junk food resulting in a generation of obese unhealthy kids..... 

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 12:55:42 AM   
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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 2:10:26 AM   
Termyn8or


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Rayne; having it that long the pancreas has been dead for a long time. There is no coming back, but there is a bit of hope. With most diabetics, abnormalities in the blood cause problems, gangrene, blindness etc. Even a stone cold diabetic can benefit from a strong intake of chromium and vanadium. The pancreas was never the only place in the body those minerals ever went.

In what I call a stone diabetic, meaning an individual who's pancreas has died, there are still benefits to be had from strong chromium and vanadium supplements. They need to watch their PH though, and make sure they don't get acidic. Strangely, being too acidic can be neutralized by ingestion of vinegar or pickle juice, things like that. In much the same way that certain people need to drink more water to get rid of their water retention, this is the same. Sometiime the cure is the opposite of what you think.

For example, mercury poisoning causes autism, infants are given innoculants containing about 2,000 times the safe level of mercury. One Man, a doctor discovered that mercury couldn't be the problem because hair samples from his autistic kids had little or no mercury, whereas the normal kids had tons on mercury in their hair. He had reached the wrong conclusion.

People with a certain type of body chemistry keep these toxins in the bloodstream for emitting through the hair or whatever, but in others it is absorbed into the cells, the cells of the organs and such. The latter are much worse off. This type of shit has led to countless wrong diagnoses and cost countless lives, but the 'doctor' still gets paid.

It goes much deeper and farther than this. See the manipulation begins in the universities. If Dow chemical had built a new arena at your alma-mater, freon was a good thing. Even though it was invented by accident, indeed a slip of the pen, it belonged to them.

There is so much more, I must stop now. True reasons for wars, and alot of other things, it weighs heavy sometimes.

Be well, and don't think I am crazy yet, allow me to prove it to you, but fact is still fact. Maybe someday you be crazy too.

T

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 6:42:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
This is why alot of diabetics would not respond to the proper supplements. Now don't go running down to GNC, they don't have what you need. They will talk you into something else and you'll swipe the credit card for nothing. Vitamin is a misnomer now.

From the roots of the word we find vita which means life, and min which means from the Earth. You see, a mineral cannot be manufactured nor created with our technology. Minerals come from the Earth and there is only so much of each to go around.

Now exactly what to eat to get these minerals is not within the scope of this text, that is a whole nother thing. I know, but I want to know if anyone is interested out there.

I will give you this much right now. When humans become diabetic they must BUY a substance called insulin. The insulin they BUY is produced by pigs' pancreas'. The pigs are selected genetically for this purpose and they are of course given healthy doses of mineral supplements, especially chromium and vanadium.


Ok....if we can't buy the proper supplements....and those supplements can't even be manufactured or created with our technology...what technology are they using to manufacture the healthy doses of supplements being given to the pigs......and why don't we just take those?



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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 6:47:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
In what I call a stone diabetic, meaning an individual who's pancreas has died, there are still benefits to be had from strong chromium and vanadium supplements.


Again....if our technology makes it impossible to manufacture these supplements....then where are they supposed to get them....and if they don't exist because we can't manufacture them....how do you know they work?

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 6:52:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Be well, and don't think I am crazy yet, allow me to prove it to you, but fact is still fact. Maybe someday you be crazy too.

T


I don't wish to be dismissive out of hand. This summary appears simplistic (diabetes has literally dozens of different root causes and two primary forms, which is not reconciled with a single mineral deficiency cause) and inconsistent with my knowledge; however, I want to take an open mind. If you can provide citations for the things you're saying, I would enjoy the chance to pull those articles or call those researchers and educate myself.

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 8:09:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are two thoughts I would comment here about. Firstly one of the errors which is often made is that those medications and suplements are not always available in countries outside the USA. Secondly, diet is a major area in controling type 2 diabetes. As I have often said in debates with medical people that it takes a better than middle income level to afford a "correct" diet and at times the afflicted must choose between medication and good food (sometimes food at all) where it is mostly impossible to budget for suplements here where such things are oft expensive. Similarly, podietry is vital to the T2 Diabetic and here there is no healthcare coverage for these visits outside a Diabetic Cliic run by a pulic hospital where if you are lucky you may see a podietrist twice a year.. Certainly here if you are a diabetic and do ot earn a substantial income specialist treatmentis out of reach and will cotinue to be so with a federal Government who deliberately turns a blind eye to those of low income hoping that their sick will die and save the cost or public treatment.

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 12:14:19 PM   
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For example, mercury poisoning causes autism, infants are given innoculants containing about 2,000 times the safe level of mercury.


  

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 4:22:51 PM   
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There are two thoughts I would comment here about. Firstly one of the errors which is often made is that those medications and suplements are not always available in countries outside the USA. Secondly, diet is a major area in controling type 2 diabetes. As I have often said in debates with medical people that it takes a better than middle income level to afford a "correct" diet and at times the afflicted must choose between medication and good food (sometimes food at all) where it is mostly impossible to budget for suplements here where such things are oft expensive. Similarly, podietry is vital to the T2 Diabetic and here there is no healthcare coverage for these visits outside a Diabetic Cliic run by a pulic hospital where if you are lucky you may see a podietrist twice a year.. Certainly here if you are a diabetic and do ot earn a substantial income specialist treatmentis out of reach and will cotinue to be so with a federal Government who deliberately turns a blind eye to those of low income hoping that their sick will die and save the cost or public treatment.


Or the clinics are cancelled because the doctor has "resigned unexpectedly" and you are directed to a clinic outside the hospital which you then discover is run by the same doctor who "resigned" You then have to find $80 to PAY this doctor who you saw for free at the clinic before he "resigned" You can only claim part of this back from Medicare too

Termyn8or Master takes so many meds now that any more He would be rattling. His tummy is delicate too so I wonder what high doses of heavy metals would do to His insides He is on dialysis so fluid intake is severely restricted (1.5 litres a day at the most which includes milk on cereal and water to take meds). He urinates once a day at most, and does not sweat much. I am concerned that these minerals would build up in the body in toxic amounts

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 4:36:44 PM   
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Wombat: Hairy marsupial who lives in burrows >> Eats roots, shoots and leaves (Think about this!!!!)

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 4:49:37 PM   
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I'm planning on becomming a Bionic Wombat..... I shall live forever and hound the bloody Government Beaurocrats

Wombat: Hairy marsupial who lives in burrows >> Eats roots, shoots and leaves (Think about this!!!!)


Ah but they say that about Kiwis too......

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 7:48:35 PM   
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I actually cured the arthritis in my knees with diet alone.

The specifics of that diet will be here if anyone shows interest.


Yes please.

I have read in many places that cinnamon helps prevent diabetes. Also eating whole grains and eliminating sugar and white grains can help One reason i follow the South Beach plan is to help prevent diabetes.

I was curious about vanadium so i just looked it up and the first article i found on a diabetes site says it can be toxic and harmful:
http://www.diabetesnet.com/vanad.php



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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 8:19:47 PM   
Termyn8or


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Rayne, sorry to hear that it has gone so far. Fluid problems are usually caused by a sodium problem, or believe it or not a lack of sodium. The sodium in table salt is not absorbed correctly because of the anti-clumping agent. I would like to help if possible, but I am a realist. Sometimes once the damage is done all the supplements in the world can't fix it, but it can stop further damage.

I realize the problems with getting the right supplements or foods. I will address that a bit later, but I do want to say this much, these problems are not insurmountable. How many times have you heard that with arthritis once the cartilage is gone it is gone. This is a lie, and I am WALKING proof of it. I'll go into that later, but one must realize what they need to eat, and more importantly whay not to eat.

Table salt, refined sugar and anything hydrogenated. Olestra is a killer. That means this fat free stuff is no good. The list goes on. If you need to use salt use unrefined sea salt. If you need sweet use dark brown sugar or even better, honey. Right now I am about to get busy, but later I'll bring more comprehensive info.

I'll get some excerpts from a book that was a pretty major influence. It gives details about the case studies the author(s) used to reach their conclusions. These were at major, and some not so major universities around the world. It was called Vitamins Etc. and I downloaded the whole mineral portion from them, actually got it from the internet cache. Basically I stole it sort of, but it is way too important to worry about that. The website is gone, there is nobody out there to sue me so I am not worried about it.

Other than avoiding those things that inhibit my ability to absorb minerals listed earlier, I use a colloidal mineral supplement. This is the Dr Powers brand but there are others. Note that it carries a warning that it may increase insulin sensitivty in diabetics. I also use unrefined sea salt exclusively, and it clumps. In fact on hot humid days water appears in the shaker. I use a mortar and pistle and grind it as needed. Don't even bother cleaning the spice grinder after putting this stuff in it, it eats everything even stainless steel. Don't let that rattle you though, you are putting it in a stomach full of hydrochloric acid.

Salt was used effectively for health and preservation reasons in ancient/biblical times. When mankind stopped being nomadic, salt was actually used as money. Salary means a portion, or dole of salt. The saying that a Man is worth his salt also has it's roots in the practice. When mankind settled down and kept planting on the same soils again and again the land was said to be played out and the people could move on, or find a way to fertilize it.

Recently flooded land (by the sea) became very lush, and they realized what had happened. It is said that wrs and arrainged marriages were planned to gain control of such lands. This is, however, not one of the things I am prepared to substantiate. I'm just saying it fits. It was told to me in anecdotal form.

Other than the near miraculous rebuilding of my knee joints, with this regimen one of my teeth actually capped itself. If you don't believe me I understand. I have never heard of this happening ever. I wish I had the Xrays from when I got shot. This would be the only way to substantiate that, by comparing the old Xray with a new one. I was shot in the face so they did enough that the dentes should show. If I could locate the old Xrays I would gladly go in and get a new one. Any ideas ? IIRC Xray film is recycled. Could there be a permanent microfiche record or something ? I swear to you this is true and I would love to prove it.

When I get back I intend to focus more on things that are provable, or at least have some supporting evidence.

One poster did say that they did not believe that disease is caused by mineral deficiency. I don't have the exact words in front of me, but to clarify : Some diseases are not caused by mineral deficiencies, but, if you have either mineral deficiencies or an abnormal condition causing malabsorption of these minerals, you WILL get a disease.In other words, although mineral deficiencies do not cause every disease, if left unchecked they always will cause disease. That is my point, and my attitude about the medical profession since they don't tell you about it is not very positive. I will not malign them anymore than is warranted. I really do believe that alot of doctors really want to help, but the problem is the education somehow. Perhaps it is the drug companies giving grants or something.

I'll be baaack.

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RE: Diabetes - 8/9/2006 10:44:51 PM   
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This is from a book called Vitamins Etc. I think. It used to available from Bookman Press.

There is a wide geographical variation in chromium levels and population studies suggest that the incidence of diabetes and heart disease is lower in areas where chromium intakes are relatively high.

Additionally.

Chromium is essential for normal sugar metabolism. It is a component of a compound called glucose tolerance factor (GTF) which works with insulin to move glucose into cells where it can be used to generate energy. Optimal chromium intake appears to decrease the amount of insulin needed to maintain normal blood sugar.

They go on.

Symptoms of chromium deficiency include high blood fat and cholesterol levels and diabetes-like symptoms of glucose intolerance, weakness, depression, confusion, weight loss, thirst, hunger and frequent urination.

Chromium deficiency is relatively common in patients with Type II diabetes and may impair the function of GTF, causing the uptake of glucose into cells to become less efficient. Impaired chromium metabolism may also play a role in diabetes of pregnancy.1617 High insulin levels also seem to increase chromium excretion. Chromium deficiency may also lead to hypoglycemia or low blood sugar.
 
Now.

Good sources of chromium include liver, egg yolk, brewer's yeast, certain spices such as black pepper and thyme, beef, poultry, broccoli, whole grain cereals, bran, wheatgerm and oysters. The chromium content of food varies with the location in which the food is grown.

Once again.

The chromium content of food varies with the location in which the food is grown.

Then they cite :

1 Davies S; McLaren Howard J; Hunnisett A; Howard M. Age-related decreases in chromium levels in 51,665 hair, sweat, and serum samples from 40,872 patients-implications for the prevention of cardiovascular disease and type II diabetes mellitus. Metabolism, 1997 May, 46:5, 469-73
2 Aharoni A; Tesler B; Paltieli Y; Tal J; Dori Z; Sharf M Hair chromium content of women with gestational diabetes compared with nondiabetic pregnant women. Am J Clin Nutr, 1992 Jan, 55:1, 104-7
3 Stearns DM; Wise JP Sr; Patierno SR; Wetterhahn KE. Chromium(III) picolinate produces chromosome damage in Chinese hamster ovary cells. FASEB J, 1995 Dec, 9:15, 1643-8
4 Anderson RA Nutritional factors influencing the glucose/insulin system: chromium. J Am Coll Nutr, 1997 Oct, 16:5, 404-10
5 Anderson RA; Cheng N; Bryden NA; Polansky MM; Cheng N; Chi J; Feng J. Elevated intakes of supplemental chromium improve glucose and insulin variables in individuals with type 2 diabetes. Diabetes, 1997 Nov, 46:11, 1786-91
6 Lee NA; Reasner CA Beneficial effect of chromium supplementation on serum triglyceride levels in NIDDM. Diabetes Care, 1994 Dec, 17:12, 1449-52
7 Clausen J Chromium induced clinical improvement in symptomatic hypoglycemia. Biol Trace Elem Res, 1988 Sep-Dec, 17:, 229-36
8 Thomas VL; Gropper SS. Effect of chromium nicotinic acid supplementation on selected cardiovascular disease risk factors. Biol Trace Elem Res, 1996 Dec, 55:3, 297-305
9 Bahadori B; Wallner S; Schneider H; Wascher TC; Toplak H. Effect of chromium yeast and chromium picolinate on body composition of obese, non-diabetic patients during and after a formula diet. Acta Med Austriaca, 1997, 24:5, 185-7
10 Grant KE; Chandler RM; Castle AL; Ivy JL. Chromium and exercise training: effect on obese women. Med Sci Sports Exerc, 1997 Aug, 29:8, 992-8
11 McCarty MF Anabolic effects of insulin on bone suggest a role for chromium picolinate in preservation of bone density. Med Hypotheses, 1995 Sep, 45:3, 241-6
12 McCarty M. High-chromium yeast for acne? Med Hypotheses, 1984 Jul, 14:3, 307-10

Now not all these cites are gospel of course, but someone has done a bit of homework.

Dr. Joel Wallach was one of my earlier influences. What he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but he does have some good information. See he was in animal husbandry (a vet for farms) and then later became an MD. He raises some very interesting points, but I do not draw all the same conclusions as he.

One thing though, it has been joked about and I’ve said it seriously too, if I got sick I would rather be treated by a vet than a doctor. I mean that, and he doesn’t get paid if I die. Yup.

This is not all in vain, later proper sources will be discussed. I have a significant database gleaned from our own FDA that has a few things to say. As long as you all keep an open mind I will prove most of my points. Or at least provide something in the way of cites, published studies and so forth. I did not ‘fall’ for this hook, line and sinker, I scrutinized everything. Eventually we get into what to eat and what not to eat, and more importanly, why.

The reason you need to know why is so you can make a judgement, think on your feet as it were. You will look at an offering and either think "YES, this is something I want to put into my body", or "NO, thank you for the offer but I can’t accept". You don’t think of the flavor of the food, you think about what is in it. Just like doing a diet that really works, YOUR attitude changes. If you start talking like a chemist or a scientist your friends will just have to understand.
I can get more info on chromium if anyone needs anything specific, but we are moving on to vanadium.

T

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RE: Diabetes - 8/10/2006 12:15:17 AM   
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Bear with me here a bit, this does not direcly link vanadium deficiency, it is just part of it.

Vanadium is a trace mineral which has been considered essential for humans since the 1970s. The average adult body contains about 100 mcg of vanadium and it is found in the blood, organ tissues and bones.

The pancreas is an organ.

Vanadium may act as a co-factor for enzymes involved in blood sugar metabolism, lipid and cholesterol metabolism, bone and tooth development, fertility, thyroid function, hormone production and neurotransmitter metabolism

I made a mistake earlier in the thread, that vanadium is required for insulin production. That should’ve read "required for proper sugar metabolism".
Now remember, there is no way to completely avoid sugar(s). Your body needs a certain amount of carbs, and they become sugar once digested. These sugars are not a bad thing, like the sugar in a piece of fruit, whatever, as long as your body handles the chemical process correctly, and for that it needs the raw materials.
These are complex chemical reactions that make you able to run and breathe and see, for quick examples. Modern farmers get paid for weight. They grow and grow and grow plants until the plants will not grow anymore. Then they fertilize with what the plants need.

The plants do not require as complex of a ‘mineral signature’ if I may coin a phrase, to survive and grow. They do not move and breathe and whatever else we do. Therefore they can lack all kinds of minerals and still be just fine. But they forgot one thing.

The plants are on this planet to sustain us, they convert the minerals to forms our bodies can use. Even wild animals can figure this out, why can’t we ?

Vanadium absorption from food may be as low as 5 to 10 per cent. Most is eliminated in the feces. Vanadium is mainly stored in fat and bone.

I don’t know exactly what to do about that.

Vanadium deficiency has not been described in man. Deficiency in animals causes infertility, reduction in red blood cell production leading to anemia; iron metabolism defects; and poor bone, tooth and cartilage formation. It is possible that deficiency in humans may lead to high cholesterol and triglyceride levels and increase susceptibility to heart disease and cancer.
Not described in Man ? They can tell what we ate last Thursday with a snipet of our hair, they can diagnose and cure all these deficiencies in animals, why not humans ? I know why.

There is no RDA for vanadium. A daily intake of 10 to 100 mcg is probably safe and adequate

They erred in that statement, there is indeed a standard of sorts for this essential mineral. For animals. Also bear in mind that all of this is from Austrailia, their government is nowhere as shitty to them as ours is to us.

Animal experiments have shown that vanadium can mimic the effects of insulin and reduce blood sugar levels from high to normal. These benefits are seen with low doses and there have been limited clinical trials with vanadium salts in patients with Type II diabetes, indicating that vanadium may have therapeutic potential in the treatment of diabetes.2425
 

In a study published in 1996, researchers at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York compared the effects of 100 mg/day of oral vanadyl sulfate in moderately obese diabetic and nondiabetic people. The results showed improvements in both liver and skeletal muscle insulin sensitivity in diabetics. Blood fat levels and oxidation were also reduced. Thus vanadium may also be useful in reducing the risk of atherosclerosis in diabetic people.3031
 

Vanadium may be beneficial in treating subnormal thyroid function. Limited animal experiments suggest that vanadium may prevent the occurrence of tumors.3637 Vanadium supplements have been used as performance enhancers by athletes, although there is little research evidence to support their effectiveness.4041
 
Really. Now the cites :

1 Naylor GJ; Corrigan FM; Smith AH; Connelly P; Ward NI Further studies of vanadium in depressive psychosis. Br J Psychiatry, 1987 May, 150:, 656-61
2 Verma S; Cam MC; McNeill JH. Nutritional factors that can favorably influence the glucose/insulin system: vanadium. J Am Coll Nutr, 1998 Feb, 17:1, 11-8
3 Halberstam M; Cohen N; Shlimovich P; Rossetti L; Shamoon H Oral vanadyl sulfate improves insulin sensitivity in NIDDM but not in obese nondiabetic subjects. Diabetes, 1996 May, 45:5, 659-66
4 Hanauske U; Hanauske AR; Marshall MH; Muggia VA; Von Hoff DD. Biphasic effect of vanadium salts on in vitro tumor colony growth. Int J Cell Cloning, 1987 Mar, 5:2, 170-8
5 Fawcett JP; Farquhar SJ; Walker RJ; Thou T; Lowe G; Goulding A. The effect of oral vanadyl sulfate on body composition and performance in weight-training athletes. Int J Sport Nutr, 1996 Dec, 6:4, 382-90

Some of these references are directly searchable in Google. I have found a few, but in no way am I saying I’ve read them all. All in all, that author’s conclusions are much closer to mine that those of Dr Wallach. They seem to try not to draw conclusions, which is refreshing actually.

T

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RE: Diabetes - 8/10/2006 8:00:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now friends, what would you think is the best fed animal on Earth ? Among humans Tibetan monks may be fed the best, but among animals in captivity. Discounting lions, tigers etc. , the animals that humans feed.

What you think ? giraffes, chimps, whales,, I almost feel like not revealing it, to get your guesses, I would really like to do that, but that is a waste of time. The answer is lab rats.

The reason is that lab rats are routinely fed insane amounts of toxins to test sensitivity. To get any kind of meaningful data the test animals must be free of any other weakness. In fact many raw test data specifically do include the exact diet given to the animals.

I have decided now, not to tell you certan things at this time, but a lab rat's diet might have around 30 mineral supplements. Puppy or kitten food, the better ones might have 8 or 12.

How many minerals do you think are supplemented in Enfamil or Similac ?

I am talking minerals, without minerals nothing happens. The word vitamin is indeed derived from the roots vita which means life, and min which is the base of the word minerals.

The fact that the word 'salary' actually means one's allotment in salt, usually payment for goods or services surprises some. This is because of the times in which we live. The reason that people have a hard time reasoning things out is twofold. One, there is an information overload, and two there is very little in the way of empirical science these days. Labs are paid to produce the desired result. Yes "Find out if our product causes cancer". What did you think was going to happen ?

It's been said "follow the money". We pay more for drugs than any civilized country, they say that WE have to pay all the research costs, not those overseas. Anybody want to give me a good fucking reason for that ? Other than the obvious that is, it is a money game.

Aammaa tell you something about  money game like the, it doesn't last forever. The bulk of the wealth controlled by fewer and fewer people, like a game of Monopoly. Let it go, because monopoly money will soon be worth almost as much as 'legal tender'.

But that is for another thread. Minerals folks. You get enough carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, you need the rest of it. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. I am not religious, but that sounds right.

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RE: Diabetes - 8/10/2006 8:31:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just an interesting comment here which I deated about posting. However I have many people who use the Herbalife programs to good effect. I have read the documentation from a number of them where the correct program had either greatly reduced and in come cases eliminated the osteoarthritis from knees and others who have their tytpe 2 diabeties virtually in remission. I will add that the reports I have been reading includes reports from various reputable medical folk who have been involved in the treatment of each of these people. In some cases I have discussed this with the medical people who wrote various reports.... I know from personal experience that the Herbalife programs worked for me in other areas pre diabetes and osteoarthritis, but then I also could afford it too. I will be back into the programs before the end of the year....

Some believe it it others do not for what ever reason but as always I take in all the information I can and make my own decisions.... Personally in over 90% of any injuries or ailments I have sustained over the years I have found that natural medicines including massage and accupuncture has worked the best for me. When my late Sensai was alive he used to treat me for most things..


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RE: Diabetes - 8/10/2006 9:03:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Herbs, which are pretty close to spices probably have a high mineral content, if their soil does. A Sensai might know this and who knows, or the guy that does his growing. Whatever.

However, what I gleaned from the USDA database indicates that spices are very high in minerals. One could reasonably think the same of herbs. I believe that unique flavors do attract animals that need what the plant contains. Koala bears and their eucalyptus for example.

I am attracted to cheyenne pepper. I like it in a vinegry sauce, not sweet.

The USDA database only reports on about 11 minerals, but it is enough to see that per unit, spices have the highest concentration of minerals, with nuts being next, then green leafies, then bland stuff. This suggests that there may be a natural process going on here, and that trans-generational conditioning has made it so that the perfect diet for one individual is not the perfect diet for another. Setting all that aside for now I firmly believe that we all have a diet that is not perfect for anyone.

There are several factors.

I need to jump in the tub, see ya either later or tomorrow. Hmm, tomorrow is in ten minutes here.

Next I intend to pull up some of my USDA files. This, along with what I've gleaned from other sources including Vitamins Etc. has shaped my diet. I am not going to simply give a menu though, people need to develop a sort of instinct about it.

I'll be baaaack.

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RE: Diabetes - 8/10/2006 10:47:07 PM   
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quote:

I am attracted to cheyenne pepper.


Intersting side not here. We had been putting cayenne pepper in our garbage to keep the bears away. Well apparently it has the opposite effect according to the wildlife agent that talked with us after we reported bear problem. They finally relocated the mother bear and her 2 cubs that were hanging around.

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