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twicehappy -> Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 4:51:51 AM)
Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? Why? Is it because most males who ride think that being a submissive denotes a lack of that manly appeal or strength? That it is a show of weakness? Does anyone understand how much personal inner strength it requires to subsume your will and desires to another? I will tell you why i ask; My Mistress is looking for a male sub or slave, preferably but necessarily a biker or biker type. At least someone who would fit into a rather eclectic household that is open to trying motorcycles. Yet it seems there are few who fit this bill. Recently we attended a huge bike rally in Indiana and saw a few who were obviously subs (walking around nude except for chaps and a cock ring gave us our first clue) and spoke with one who was in a relationship. So we know you are out there. The question is why is it so hard for you males to come out and admit what you are and what you seek? (Note on why i say eclectic: We are not only bikers, we have interests in everything from antique books to gardening and the ballet.)

RavenMuse -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 5:11:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? Biker is something you do, you ride, you mix with other bikers. Submissive is something you ARE (I know some bikers who would argue that riding is in the blood and biker is something they are, but thats about the relationship with the machine, not with a partner) I see no contradiction there.

twicehappy -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 5:19:16 AM)
Good morning to you my second favorite BAD MAN (of course Scooter is first). I think the contradiction i see is that to most bikers being a biker is something you are, like being a submissive. I am most definitely a biker (of the female variety) as well as a slave. But for the women there is no contradiction, i would say about 80% of biker women could slip into being a sub or slave with very few issues. But the male biker image is very tied into being macho; being strong, wild, free and having women fall at you feet. Not that are not a few who have no issues with being both a biker and a submissive, i recall one who was 6'2, 225 pounds and a black belt, he was also gorgeous and taken.

pqwinny -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 5:41:29 AM)
Stereotypes are alive in well in and out of the world of BDSM. i'm a mom, an executive, a rider, like rock, classical and country, hate spinach love brussel sprouts, sailing and cats...that's a very short list of things that are true about me and none of strengthens or weakens my submissiveness. To quote a famous cartoon character...i am what i am. And at 44 i'm finally o.k. with all of it. Becoming comfortable with who you are takes some people a long time, some not so long and some never get there.

twicehappy -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 5:47:52 AM)
Pulled your profile up and....Wow nice ride!

Lordandmaster -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 5:49:19 AM)
The submissive bikers I've known have been female. I'd guess that male bikers who have a hard time coming out as subs don't want to be, shall we say, fucked in the ass by their buddies if they were to find out.

pqwinny -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 6:00:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy Wow nice ride! Thanks [:)]

mistoferin -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 6:04:47 AM)
I've not known many submissive male bikers. I have often wondered though when watching a probie or prospect. [;)]

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 6:38:55 AM)
From what I know of biker culture, WITHIN the culture at least, it's the norm for the females to be generally submissive to the males, however unlike mainstream culture, submissive hardly denotes weak or unable to hold her own. I'd understand someone from an OUTSIDE perspective being confused if they believe that strong/not traditionally feminine somehow conflicts with being a submissive. However, most of us realize that this connection is false.

spoilt26981 -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 6:40:26 AM)
I know many males biker subs but the are all over here in the uk, so it not much help but just wanted to let you know they are out there

LaTigresse -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 6:50:53 AM)
2X, I know a guy that likes bikes. He has a Napoleon complex but is a pushover underneath! It might take some work (that electric zapper thing etc ) however I am sure Jewel is up to the challenge. P.S. I get to keep the bike.

Lashra -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:00:34 AM)
I'm a Dominant female biker and I've known some submale bikers. They tend to keep it quiet as they risk ridicule by their fellow bikers. Unfortnately in society being submissive and male can be viewed by SOME as being weak, nothing could be further from the truth. The submales that I've known have been very strong and macho men, a very sexy mix I may add.[;)] ~Lashra

twicehappy -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:13:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross From what I know of biker culture, WITHIN the culture at least, it's the norm for the females to be generally submissive to the males, however unlike mainstream culture, submissive hardly denotes weak or unable to hold her own. quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster The submissive bikers I've known have been female. I'd guess that male bikers who have a hard time coming out as subs don't want to be, shall we say, fucked in the ass by their buddies if they were to find out. These two comments really do state pretty much exactly how the biker culture is. Though being fucked in the ass would not be a concern as the fucker would then be gay, a fate worse than death for most male bikers i know. quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse 2X, I know a guy that likes bikes. He has a Napoleon complex but is a pushover underneath! It might take some work (that electric zapper thing etc ) however I am sure Jewel is up to the challenge.P.S. I get to keep the bike. Then ship him UPS already! quote: ORIGINAL: Lashra Unfortnately in society being submissive and male can be viewed by SOME as being weak, nothing could be further from the truth. The submales that I've known have been very strong and macho men, a very sexy mix I may add.[;)] So true, lol, ok you can UPS us a few as well.

LaTigresse -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:14:54 AM)
I might need a big strong biker to help shove him in the box.

twicehappy -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:16:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I might need a big strong biker to help shove him in the box. On our way.......... ps; can we have some of your home canned applesauce to bring home when we come?

KnightofMists -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:19:34 AM)
only if you believe a biker can't be a subbie... or a politician be honest. It may not be common occurence... but it does happen.

LaTigresse -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:26:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I might need a big strong biker to help shove him in the box. On our way.......... ps; can we have some of your home canned applesauce to bring home when we come? Yes, I will send a whole flat full of jars of it. He will prolly need fed once in awhile.

twicehappy -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:27:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists only if you believe a biker can't be a subbie... or a politician be honest. It may not be common occurence... but it does happen. I have met a few biker subbies so i know it is possible, if you can get them to admit it. Being a sub or a slave does not mean you are weak although many perceive it that way. As to honest politicians, well i have not met one yet but then again i know a lot more bikers than politicians, lol. Say hello to your lovelies for me, smiles......

twicehappy -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:28:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Yes, I will send a whole flat full of jars of it. He will prolly need fed once in awhile. You are toooo sweet, the applesauce is for Scooter and i, though we will share. Does he like fried chicken?

LaTigresse -> RE: Is biker subbie a contradiction in terms like honest politician? (8/9/2006 7:33:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Yes, I will send a whole flat full of jars of it. He will prolly need fed once in awhile. You are toooo sweet, the applesauce is for Scooter and i, though we will share. Does he like fried chicken? Yes, fried chicken works just fine. AND, he is a unreformable cigarette mooch. He likes to say he quit. I say, he just quit BUYING them!

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