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scottjk -> RE: Doms and whores. (8/10/2006 11:09:46 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Lashra
Actually in the animal kingdom the male has to compete/fight for the right to mate with the Alpha female, at least in most species. It is not something that is a given, the Alpha female can reject the male and no mating between the pair will take place.
Sorry, Lashra, I just HAVE to step in here at this point. I hate to qualify some statements because it just causes a different argument that really isn't needed but animal kingdom analogies tend to get me a bit wound up. So, with all respect here's the qualification.
The Alpha female can reject the male only because said female has the size and/or strength to do so. This is especially true if there is no pair bonding evident. However, where the male is the larger and/or the stronger of the pairing, the female has little to say about the topic. :)
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In humans though this is nothing but conditioning. Most females have been conditioned to believe that they need a male to be the provider and that they as women need to stay home and take care of home and children. Therefore women are taught to use their good looks(sexuality), submissiveness(feigned or natural) and good cooking will get you that mate.
In looking at analogies between species, as you have done, conditioning wouldn't be quite true, although some conditioning may be present. Since males are typically bigger and stronger of the human species, it would stand to reason that females would look towards the larger and stronger of the males (not to mention more intelligent) for protection, shelter, food and genetic stock. Of course in this day and age, this is LESS a need then it was back then, however, the genetic predisposition to look for these traits are very strong in us as humans, since you can't undo millions of years of evolution in just a few thousand years. (Genetics and emotions are very closely tied together)
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While males are taught that they have to be Dominant (even if by nature they aren't) so they can get a good job, attract a suitable mate, bare young and look good for society.
See my argument above, however I should point out that some submissive males are such because of 'pecking' orders. Some males are disposed to NOT be alphas in a group, and would rather just go along. These traits can be considered selected for in evolution. While they can be taught to be dominant, those that are disposed to be submissive tend to fail to achieve alpha status and will often settle for a lower strata in prestige. This is also true for females.
In regards to conditioning, you're partly right. I'm seeing a lot of it going on, but differently. In the drive to achieve equality among the sexes, those that are naturally dominant are being taught to be more submissive, and those that are submissive are being taught to be more dominant AGAINST thier own dispostions in order to 'level' the playing field. The result is that you get ball busting bitches and momma's boys. :) Let's not forget all the dis-ease that this seems to create. Psychological issues seem to be on the rise in the population, as well as many other health issues. (Mind/body interface is more closely tied together than most realize)
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Do I think its right? Hell no I say let people be THEMSELVES without a bunch of conditioning to train them to be something they aren't. Alot of women aren't submissive and some don't want to be wives and mothers. Alot of men aren't Dominant and dont' want to be CEO's, husbands and fathers. I think people should be allowed to become what they wish to be.
I agree, a lot of things we do to each other isn't right. It's downright criminal in what we are doing to each other, and we're supposed to be the enlightened species. As humans, we are more cruel to each other than any other species out there.
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