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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 5:56:09 PM   
Sinergy


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I tend to dislike Rap, although the punk remake of "Boyz In The Hood" to an uplifting and sweet reggae arrangement leaves me rolling on the floor laughing every time I hear it.

That having been said, I am one of those people who thinks that the "artist" holds a mirror up to society so society can view how it is perceived by others.

I dont think police should be killed, I would be the first to jump to the defense of a woman being grabbed by her nappy-ass weed, but Im not sure paintings like Guernica and The Scream were painted to make people feel good about themselves.  Or books like Slaughterhouse 5 and Jarhead were written for that purpose.  The artist sees something about their existence and uses a medium to communicate this feeling to other people.

I personally think that while I generally view people ruining their hearing listening to rap at top possible volume as being certifiably insane, I also know that this is just me and I could be wrong.  So I actually support some gangsta thug's right to murder the King's English.

Just me, yadda yadda yadda, bling bling, yo dog.

Sinergy

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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 6:02:18 PM   
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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 6:25:20 PM   
fullofgrace


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Status: offline 		i love hip hop, but the crap that the music industry is producing these days is not hip hop.

that said, i find anyone who's never actually lived in the ghetto who feels the need to comment on the state of hip hop (good or bad) or to emulate their favorite new rap artist (who probably sucks) to be pathetically amusing. but that's just me.


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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 6:30:00 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		I like rap because I like the music not because of any of your weird reasons. Just like any other type of music there are some really bad songs and some really good ones.

I found the whole tone of your post really snobby and offensive.

yuck

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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 7:19:52 PM   
MmakeMme


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Status: offline 		I got pulled over not too long ago for a sound ordinace violation. At the time, the song was Cypress Hill's most famous tune. As the nice young policeman was writing the ticket, the cd switched to NiN's "Hey Pig".

I thanked the officer for writing such a legible ticket and then asked for another. I had it coming.

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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 7:46:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MmakeMme

I got pulled over not too long ago for a sound ordinace violation. At the time, the song was Cypress Hill's most famous tune. As the nice young policeman was writing the ticket, the cd switched to NiN's "Hey Pig".

I thanked the officer for writing such a legible ticket and then asked for another. I had it coming.


What came on next, NWA's "Fuck tha Police", or Body Count's "Cop Killer"?
 
I'm not too happy with some of the message's rap puts out, but I enjoy some Cypress Hill and Dr Dre, and groups like Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, Arrested Development, and Pharcyde made some good music without pandering to our more fucked up instincts.

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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 10:52:26 PM   
Kedikat


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Status: offline 		Aside from any socio economic issues, I just find it lame and annoying. And at this point of repeating the same things over again to ripped off music, it has lost any edge it might have had. It seemed stagnant almost from birth.
Some better writers and actual original music and musicians need to take it on.

Same goes for bimbo of the month and boyband pop crap too.


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RE: Rap - 8/12/2006 11:27:31 PM   
Dauric


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Status: offline 		Not a big Rap/Hip-Hop fan, but there have been a few exceptions. Unfortunately I don't rightly recall what they are, and I don't feel like wading through all the stuff I don't care for to find the one or two gems that really tickle my fancy. I'm more in to Pink Floyd, Thomas Dolby, Daft Punk, and They Might Be Giants... when I'm not listening to classical or celtic traditional.

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Art is a wonderful thing regardless of its medium. On one side is that artist with some sort of message or story that they desire to tell. On the other side is an audience who brings their own values, and perceptions to the piece in question. While the struggle between message and the perception of a message is present in all communication, when dealing with painting, sculpture, music, literature, that struggle is purposefully enhanced. Playgrounds of the mind.

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Music and movie industries are all farked up. They're so wound-up about music piracy that they fail to see the larger picture: People don't place the value on their music that the industry wants. Unlike "True Artists" companies associated with the RIAA are all about making something popular, and in the corporate mindset if Item A is popular, then the company should make Item B as close to Item A as they can to increase sales. Unfortunately in that rarified form of Art where the artst actually has ssomething to say in their own way; repeating the same message, especially someone else's message, just cheapens both.

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I could go on lengthy tirades about music and media in general (Don't even think of getting me started on computer games, like al these.......<five days later>....AND another thing....)

But as always it's just my own $0.02 and that won't even buy you a minute-long DVD.

Dauric.

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 1:08:31 AM   
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Well, I live around the corner from where they shot Hustle and Flow, and man, let me tell you...it's haaaard for a pimp in the city.


Heh... That was a great movie if you ask me.

Brothers and Vatos made up some of my closest and lifelong friends during high school and far beyond {played sports, drank, and joined the Marines together}....  So I grew up with Sugar Hill and Whodini { ''Friends'' was always one of my favorites} Man... I love Funk, R&B and older Rap.


 - R

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 2:36:50 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Status: offline 		I agree with Ron, that Rap has a history beyond gangstah, and wanted to share part of some lyrics I like:
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/141/boogie_down_productions..edutainment..loves_gonna_getcha_material_love.html.
quote:

ya know a lot of people believe that that word Love is real soft, but
when
you use it in your vocabulary like your addicted to it it sneaks right
up
and takes you right out. out. out. out. out.
So, for future reference remember it's alright to like or want a
material
item, but when you fall in love with it and you start scheming and
carrying
on for it, just remember, it's gonna get'cha
Preaching against falling in love with material things actually.
There are many others I like, admittedly most rp representing positive/negative but valid social commentary is older. 
http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/885/queen_latifah..unknown..unity.html
quote:

U.n.i.t.y., love a black woman from (you got to let him know)
Infinity to infinity (you ain't a bitch or a ho)
    M

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 3:02:42 AM   
MmakeMme


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ORIGINAL: Kedikat

Aside from any socio economic issues, I just find it lame and annoying. And at this point of repeating the same things over again to ripped off music, it has lost any edge it might have had. It seemed stagnant almost from birth.
Some better writers and actual original music and musicians need to take it on.

Same goes for bimbo of the month and boyband pop crap too.



~ chuckle ~

Coming from a background in professional music I highly recommend Nellyville. The BEST part is the way it was laid down in the studio - the layering is spectacular (but this could be my music geek coming out so it might not hit your ears like it does mine). I don't know much about any other rap, other than thinking a song here and there is fun.

As for bimbos and bimboys ... ugh. Fifteen minutes of fame is far too long for them.

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 4:42:37 AM   
NakisisaX


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Status: offline 		i must agree with this post. rap is really annoying, especially when i grew up during its beginnings when the rappers were saying something. hiphop in general has become a nuisance because record companies love to pay big bucks for rappers in hip-hop to disgrace themselves. its pretty sad to hear nothing but junk from these guys, but its even sadder that the true talents of rap are banned from airplay, not because they curse, but because they tend to inspire positive self esteem and social awareness.

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 7:00:28 AM   
TreSwank


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ORIGINAL: kisshou

I like rap because I like the music not because of any of your weird reasons. Just like any other type of music there are some really bad songs and some really good ones.

I found the whole tone of your post really snobby and offensive.

yuck


HI!!!  My name is kisshou, and I'm probably the most BLAND person on my block.  Around my neighborhood, I have gained local renown for making super-perceptive comments, such as "there are some really bad songs, and some really good ones."  I'm 32 years old, currently reside in Florida, and the entirety of my profile reads "owned totally and completely by P*******".  I think that my trenchant, gritty wit and enormous creative spirit was what initially attracted my sexy, sexy Dom. It's not everyday that you find a submissive diamond in the rough, like myself, who tells her therapist that she just sees a blob of ink on every Rorshchach flash card. 

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 7:14:27 AM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		TreSwank,

I said I found the tone of your post (this post, not all your posts) snobby and offensive.

I am sorry my post hurt you feelings , I was commenting on your post not you personally.

Many other respondants stated the same thing about good and bad songs just using different words.

I am kinda bland and uncreative but I am owned and I am happy :)

Oh and I really like rap music alot!

kisshou

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 7:14:37 AM   
TreSwank


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Status: offline 		The nerve of some people!!!!


Imagine this picture on a CollarMe profile, with  the message "Fun-loving, midwestern BDSM couple seeks "sister" subbie for "service based" slavery.  Animal husbandry skills a plus. ALL MESSAGES FROM MEN WILL BE DELETED!"

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 7:55:26 AM   
MmakeMme


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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 8:09:36 AM   
puella


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I will not take a position for or against a means of communication.  Some rap is positive (think Public Enemy and Mellie Mel) and some is very disparaging  (too long a list to get into).

I do not know if you ever interface on anything other than a superficial level with urban black youth.  I do.  I do not think that most of the rap that we hear represents the actuality of their life, though some certainly does.   There is a lot of misogynistic and cultural dis-empowerment in many of the lyrics.  There is also a lot of self aggrandizement.  I mentor young black girl in our 'ghetto'.  Sadly she has a lot of identity issues that I don't think I have much power to help change, but she told me once that she doesn't like when her brothers listen to their music because they "start acting like 'gangstas' and treat me bad and call me bad names and it makes me feel sad and scared." 

To think that music (and the arts in general) do not have any effect on a people and they way they internalize ideas and behaviors of those whom they glamorize in that industry, is silly.

Rap is neither good nor bad, it is a musical form. The way an artist uses the power generated by the popularity of their stardom can be good or bad, and the themes and ideas they choose to espouse and put out for the community they communicate to can be good or bad.

It's all about choices and responsibility.

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 8:30:33 AM   
TreSwank


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Status: offline 		          I can appreciate the fact that you are taking the well-being of these children seriously enough to sacrifice your time and energy into making things better for urban black kids.

             I'll even agree with the oft-repeated phrase that "some rap is good, while some is disparaging," but, my point is still as valid as it was at the beginning of this thread.  I dislike rap a great deal, but I DO NOT have the right to object to it on ideological grounds, because, as a person birthed by another subculture, my ideals really aren't the same as a poor black boy's.  I never claimed that rap music was a representation of reality.........................it's the representation of an ideal, and that's why so many youngsters are drawn in by the false charm.

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 8:49:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		....is rap that new an art form? i seem to remember stories of a bloke called Thespis doing more or less the same thing way back in 5th or 6th century BC Greece ....................

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RE: Rap - 8/13/2006 10:41:39 AM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		If you put rap and hip-hop in a shuffle with other types of music, it plays a lot better.

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