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RE: Please Help.. - 8/12/2006 7:59:11 PM   
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Oh great, something I do love...broccoli and celery...

I was just sitting here writing a list of foods to buy when I go shopping tomorrow.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/12/2006 8:52:53 PM   
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Julia's right about that fast walking.
And if you're tired after work how about getting up an hour earlier and doing fast walking in the morning?

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/12/2006 10:41:41 PM   
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As much as this sucks, it helps to get up earlier in the morning and get your exercise in then.  Instead of trying to exercise at the end of the day, when you're already exhausted from work, give it a go in the morning.  No matter whether it's at the end or beginning of the day, though, it takes serious willpower.

Another suggestion is to keep yourself busy with small things you can do at your desk.  For example, take hand weights with you to work and use them, alternating arms, while you're on the phone or doing something that only requires one hand.  Another suggestion would be ankle weights, which tape around your ankle, and do leg lifts while you're sitting at the computer.  In fact, most exercises can be adapted to sitting.  All you need is a free limb or two and some creativity.  I would google "office exercises" or some such query and see what you get.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/12/2006 11:54:10 PM   
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Hey Sassy,

I did freelance web-design work, frequently pulling 16 hour days from my home office, I know exactly what you are going through, I quit that routine but I'm still dealing with the health problems.

Your worst enemy is depression. When pulling that 16 hour day crap I didn't have a lot of time to have a life and watching my diet just wasn't helping anything; frequently the diet food left me feeling hungry so I needed to eat more to stop my stomach growling, or I had become so disgusted with it that I wouldn't eat until I was ravenously hungry. The latter a really bad idea because it trips your body's starvation response to hoard calories to get through times of little or no food.

Now that I have time to myself, I've been getting out of the house and making a point to be away from work, hanging out with some good friends I made about a year and a half ago. I don't do much of the diet stuff except get plenty of water and I have a glass of milk with every meal.* I eat whatever I feel like (Big point there, what I feel like, no more, no less.) and I just don't obsess about it. Most importantly I make sure that I get out with other people and have fun, definately find a crowd that doesn't make you feel self-consious, the important thing is while you're with them you -don't- think about your weight. A couple of weeks ago I noticed that I've been slowly tightening my belt without being aware of it. I will probably have to punch a new hole in my belt sometime soon lest I end up losing my pants in public.

*There's a few studies that say 2% milk actually can help boost yor metabolism. Be dipped if I can find them right now though.

I've got a long way to go and progress is slow (best way to lose weight is slowly, or else you end up yo-yoing), but I'm feeling a lot better about my outlook in general and I've not felt this physically good in a long, long time.

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All that's just my experiences though, I offer them in the hopes that they help you in some way. The best generic advice I have to give is: "Find what works for you." Ther'es a lot of diet advice, and even when you find what works people will tell you how their own pet diet/suppliment/excercise regieme will give you so much better results than what you're doing. Go ahead and try it if you want, but don't be afraid to say "Thanks, but I'm not you, and that doesn't work for me."

Good luck with it all, I hope my $0.02 adds value to your mental piggy-bank.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/13/2006 6:06:04 AM   
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A three day fast. I mean one, I'm not saying do it all the time. After a fast, you learn to be satisfied with less food.

Most humans' appetites fail to follow their development, that is if you eat like a growing child after you're full grown you get fat, unless you have one hell of a physical job, like construction or something.

Settling into a sedentary lifestyle, you would be surprised to find out just how little food is required to keep the body working, the trick is to make it the right food. Quality not quantity. Forget the food pyramid unless you want to look like the food pyramid. It s absurd for them to put out guidelines like that, because one size does not fit all. They would have you believe that an accountant and a bricklayer have the same dietary requirements, poppycock.

When I fast I drink water, coffee and beer, and sometimes milk. The trick here is no solid food. When you come off the fast, eat very slowly, and not alot, DO NOT BINGE. Satisfy yourself slowly and carefully, just enough.

To lay it down once and for all : Fat people got a fast metabolism connected to a slow body. Either speed up the body or slow down the innerds.

The quality of the food is of prime importance, forget potatoes and stuff like that. Pasta is even more devoid of nutrients. I went low carb to the point that my digestion was irregular and brought back just the right amount of carbs, in the form of rice mainly. Don't ever eat a potato chip, get a can of nuts. The mixed are the best, just read the label and make sure there are no hydrogenated oils in it, hydrogenated anything. It saps the minerals that are supposed to remain in your digestive tract for a time, for more complete digestion. When your body gets everything it needs, you will not be hungry.

No matter how much you eat, if the body does not get the nutrients it needs you will be hungry. Poor nutritional value of foods in industrialized countries is the single most primary cause of obesity. No shit. You can eat a whole pan full of fried potatoes and still need to munch on a bag of nachos because your body did not get what it needs.

This is described as cribbing in animals, and one doctor has made the analogy to the human condition. When an animal starts eating, or trying to eat rocks etc., it is a sure sign to the farmer that it needs supplements. Wallach goes on to say that young children eating paint chips off the wall is the same thing. In other words, we never had to get rid of lead based paint anymore than we need to make gasoline safe for human consumption. But when the food is not adequate, the body looks for other sources.

Copious amounts of refined salt and sugar are added to most processed foods to make the body think it is getting what it needs. It boosts sales. Salt, sugar and hydrogenated are the most important to avoid. If you need salt, get unrefined sea salt, I know it's over $5 a pound, but wonder why ? If you need sugar use brown sugar, or better yet molasses, or even better, honey.

It may sound crazy, but you are better off frying your chicken breast in bacon grease than Crisco.

Pickles, basically cucumbers soaked in vinegar. Well vinegar has a cholesterol busting property in the body. Some vinegar used to be grape juice.

Spices, eat as much spicy stuff as you can. Green leafys have more for you than white potatoes, nuts leave them in the dust. Spices are what leaves nuts in the dust. They are a fast track to mineral supplementation, and I don't think any supplement is as complete.

I eat very little, as I am a bit sedentary. With a smaller intake I watch to see that this intake is wholesome and healthy. I doubt I eat 1,000 calories a day, but I don't go by calories, calories are a farce. But you will not see me eating cornbread or a heaping plate of spagetti. Salad and meat, and I don't mean regular salad, I want all kinda stuff in there, screw the lettuce and tomato.

Calories are bullshit. You want the rundown, here it is : You were born what, eight pounds ? OK what do you weigh now ? What you weigh now is EXACTLY your birth weight, plus everyhing you have ever eaten or drank, minus what you have sweat, pissed or shit out. period. Ther is no science bad enough yet to refute this FACT.

But then this is a bit oversimplistic when it comes to losing weight. For most, when they eat and drink less, the simply sweat, piss and shit less. This is the problem. Then, you are not used to the slower metabolism and it creates the urge to binge. Even if it doesn't, the body doesn't respond all that well to reduced intake.

I don't agree at all with the five small meals a day idea. Eat once a day. Learn to ignore/quell the hunger, it is a leftover from when you were young and growing. You don't want to grow remember ? You are as tall as you are going to get, so you will grow horizontally. You tastes and urges need to grow up. I have not had soda, ice cream, potato chips or anything like it in over a decade.

Once the mind controls the body you will find things to go much better. When you look at food, don't think of the taste, think "what is in there". What will it do for my body ? Junk food to me is broccoli, carrots etc. You must go beyond, you need meat, you need nuts, you need spices. Once you pare down your diet to where your metabolism slows down, don't go back.

There are other benefits of a slow metabolism, you digest food more completely. Some minerals are especially hard to absorb, this gives your body time to do it. The benefits are substantial. You'll find some of those aches and pains go away. Losing the weight will also make you feel better, more spry, able to carry yourself more easily etc. This will make you more active by nature, starting a dangerous spiral that is detrimental to profits in the medical industry. Why do you think they tell you that it doesn't matter what you eat ? Or even give bad advice ? The food pyramid is a joke, you need to look at things in a much more advanced way. They don't know, and if they did they certainly wouldn't tell you. Why kill the cash cow ?

After the fast, gradually get back into eating, learn to be satisfied with less. Try to stay as active as you can, and hope one day to 'work up an appetite'. Yes, if you go out and play rugby, or happen to build an addition on your house youself, eat more, by all means. Just make sure it's the right stuff. No fast food, forget fast food. Learn to cook if you can't.

One of my criteria for food is 'has it been around for more than 100 years ?'. This is more valid than it appears, after all, if a hundred years ago the diet didn't work, we would not be here.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/13/2006 6:07:13 AM   
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Thank you everyone for all of your advice, its helped me to see different ways in which to excerise more and eat better.  I appreciate it more than you know.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/13/2006 6:46:35 AM   
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If it is in the realms of reality, cycle to work. You will find it makes you feel less tired and more alert and when you get home in the evening you will feel a more healthy physical tiredness that helps you relax rather than the restless mental tiredness that is caused by a job in front of computer screen.

When I gave up my car and started to cycle everywhere I lost 40 pounds without changing my diet and I've never put any weight back on.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 9:49:31 PM   
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Cut out drinks with sugar in them, don't drink fruit juices or those punches or anything with high fructose or corn syroup. I cut those drinks out and the weight started melting off, and because of fruit juice sugar contents I was testing prediabetic for 3 years. I was eating right ecorcising moderatly and I still saw no diffrence till my dog said to stop drinking fruit juice and drinks with corn syroup or high fructose/

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 9:53:25 PM   
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quote:

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I still saw no diffrence till my dog said to stop drinking fruit juice and drinks with corn syroup or high fructose/


Smart dog. Get his license at Cane-9U ?.. LOL





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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 9:54:21 PM   
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opps DR NOT Dog:))

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 9:58:49 PM   
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Cuddle,
  EAting right is very important, choose food that are natural over prepared foods that contain lots of sodium and preservatives. Sodium can cause you to retain los of water. Speaking of water, drink at least 64 ounces of water a day, and that is at least that much, more water is better.
When yo get home and you are tired, eat something good for you like celery or broccoli or fruit such as blueberries or an orange. Then even if you are tired, go for a walk. Start out slow if you need to but then start to walk faster as your body begins to work. I do this often when I feel tired and it actually invigorates me to continue.
Best of luck to you, it is difficult, I know I went from 430 lbs. down to about 330 now and still losing. It has taken me about 5 years to lose that amount, but I am continueing to lose wieght at about 1 to 2 pounds a month. Not a lot but it is consistent.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 9:58:51 PM   
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What is isometric exercise


Two very good resources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isometric_exercise

http://www.chronicfitness.com/bodybuilding/training/isometric-exercise-background.html

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 10:04:48 PM   
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Fasting is not the suggestion or a solution, when you fast your body goes into preservation mode and will actually go into starvation mode and hoard every single calori and fat that you consume


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A three day fast. I mean one, I'm not saying do it all the time. After a fast, you learn to be satisfied with less food. 


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RE: Please Help.. - 8/16/2006 10:17:45 PM   
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Please do not listen to terminators advice about eating noting for three days and only eating once a day. Fasting is not good for the body or you. Fasting makes your body think it's starving and it hoards everything you eat basically going into survivial mode,  and eating once a day's not that great either, you're not going to get the nutrition you need from one meal a day. There is such a thing as undereating. You need  more food to sustain the body than one meal a day.
Also I would recomend finding out how many calories in your diet a day you need, and  go from there. If you wanted to you could try to get a consult with a diatician to find out what  would work best for you in your individual case.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/17/2006 1:09:56 AM   
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I walk my dogs about a mile a day. Even if you don't have a dog, you can still go for a walk. It's easy and not strenuous, but you'd be amazed at what a difference this will make in any weight loss program, and it's good excercise.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/17/2006 1:44:34 AM   
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Susan maybe not to you, but walking is very difficult to me, It's kind of amusing the dog is older than I am and he gets this expression and look like come on mom pick it up I'm 15 and I am doing it jst fine lol.

edited to add I love this about him. Sometimes on a good day i'll jog a little and he will try to race me hehehe. I have been at a full out run panting about to have my heart leap out of my chest and he is only mildly winded and wants to run faster lol.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/17/2006 3:09:24 AM   
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Great links, thank you.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/17/2006 3:44:39 AM   
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Sitting 10-11 hours at a desk is all the more reason to get out and walk every evening.  Start out slowly and build up.  Schedule it into your life as a priority.  Exercise will provide you with more energy.  Are their friends, neighbors or family who can walk with you?  I usually walk by myself, but I like that, it's my time to think about things, or I distract myself by looking at the surroundings.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/17/2006 8:56:21 AM   
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Another possibility is to start using public transportation to go to work. This means walking from your house to work and back everyday.

Using public transportation for grocery shopping is also a good idea... You won't buy more groceries than you can carry.

I have done this in the past by moving from a suburban area to a more urban area. I lost a lot of weight and got into very good physical shape.

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RE: Please Help.. - 8/17/2006 9:40:46 AM   
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Google for office exercises........c'mon kiddo, you gotta wanna.

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